Hyatt House [110 York St] | 60m | 17f | Approved

[J.OT13]

There are a few things I like about the Andaz.

• The fact that it's a hotel, bringing more people and activity to the Market than the shorter office building that was there previously;
• It has the same general shape and mass as the building it replaced (historic memory, if you will);
• It has a good height; high enough to stand out in the skyline without being overbearing from street level;
• The roof top restaurant and terrace with amazing views;
• The wooden detail that makes the roof line distinguish itself from the shades of grey that is Ottawa.

A few of these positives are thanks to Andaz and not Claridge. The biggest issue I have with the building is the cladding (recycled from TriBeCa) and overall design. As an Andaz in the Byward Market could have been so much more.

My problem with the Andaz expansion, the condo building proposed by Claridge on the Honest Lawyer site and the Hampton Inn is that they will remove the little bit that makes Andaz stand out in any positive way. It will be another Rideau, with a bunch of same height, same design, mediocre buildings clustered together.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

I really, really, really do not get this board's obsession with siding.

Have a look at the attached google map image. The Andaz's cheap metal panelling stands alone in a sea of brick and limestone in the historical heart of a G7 Capital. It sticks out like a sore thumb. It's out of scale and out of touch with the fabric of the neighbourhood by ANY objective measure.

Why do you say good for no setbacks? Dalhousie has the feel of a traditional main street down most of it's length. How does 16 stories of featureless metal and glass rising straight from a parking lot fit in?

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Other than (checks notes) a hotel entrance, which generates lots of foot traffic, and a fully-transparent street front, sure, I guess.

Yes, there is a hotel entrance which generates foot traffic, but it is one of the worst hotel entrances I have ever seen. A narrow sidewalk, a few planters, a door facing sideways because they built the building so close to the road, minimal branding, a pathetic portico that doesn't cover the sidewalk or people unloading their vehicles.

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

I don't see any of those goals as being morally objectionable.

I really don't get it.

Claridge is known in this city for proposing amazing looking buildings in their applications to the city and delivering something completely different when they build. It has happened with each and every project they have built. They use the lowest bidder materials and it shows when you visit any of their buildings after a few years. Things are falling apart. Have a walk around their buildings in Lebreton and it looks like something you would see in Belarus in places. To me the Andaz is yet another bait and switch lie of a project that should not have been rubber stamped by the city unless dramatically improved. I feel that Claridge saw a market for more hotel rooms in the market and rushed out the fastest and cheapest product they could muster. This IS morally objectionable as far as I am concerned.

Andaz by harley613, on Flickr

Andazentrance by harley613, on Flickr

[Harley613]

This is what was advertised to the public before construction began. Still flawed in my opinion but the glazing and materials look top notch compared to what they built.

[J.OT13]

https://twitter.com/mikewoodottawa/s...68658084405250

Caused by a cigarette. No injuries.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/cigarette-...otel-1.5414651

[Harley613]

I have always considered this building to be a Dumpster Fire architecturally, but I guess it could more accurately be called a Planter Box Fire.

[J.OT13]

Just sad that the rooftop patio and the Andaz sign are the ones that were damaged, since those are the only redeeming features of the building.

[waterloowarrior]

Refused at OLT

https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onlt/do...nlii77608.html

[119] The Appellant as well argued from the heritage evidence that the proposal adequately addresses the heritage concerns in Policy 4.6.1.9 of the OP for applications for zoning amendments in a heritage conservation district. The most relevant criteria include:

a. Respecting the massing, profile and character adjacent to or across the street;

b. Approximating the width of nearby heritage;

c. Approximating the established setback pattern on the street;

d. Being physically oriented to the street in a similar fashion to existing heritage buildings;

e. Minimizing shadowing on adjacent heritage properties, particularly on landscaped open spaces and outdoor amenity areas; and

f. Ensuring that parking facilities … are compatibly integrated into heritage areas.

[120] The Tribunal finds these to have been met in the main, except for respecting the height transitions in the District.

Nonetheless it must refuse the requested amendments because of the proposed height and the lack of adequate setbacks. The site is too small to accommodate this proposal as presented.

[OTSkyline]

Am I missing something or is the size of the site (and the proposed height) the same as Andaz?

This proposal obviously wasn't a shining star, but would be better than current surface parking lot. Wonder what the max appropriate or approved height for the site would be...

[Harley613]

I would rather see an empty parking lot than an even uglier twin of the Andaz.

[McDonald's Racoon]

Originally Posted by Harley613

I would rather see an empty parking lot than an even uglier twin of the Andaz.

Second that

[waterloowarrior]

For sale for $10 million
https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/2...-byward-market

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

For sale for $10 million
https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/2...-byward-market

The good news keeps rolling in this week!!!

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Harley613

The good news keeps rolling in this week!!!

Fantastic week for Ottawa urban enthusiast for sure (aside from the crane operator/carpenter strike). Just wish they would have sold it 2 years ago so that Rimap could have purchased it to include in their Marriott Moxy project next door.

They could still and propose a 5 storey annex linked by a skywalk.

[Ottawacurious]

[QUOTE=rocketphish;8183504]Development application:
https://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans...appId=__A1O8XQ

Renderings:



Where do I find this application in this forum?
https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applica...8-0071/details

116 York Street is for sale and referenced this dev application but can't find comments on here about it. I saved the picture w/ the blank wall as that would abut this development no? Maybe it was a bit of jockeying on behalf of Andaz to not have the Hampton develop there?

Design brief: http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Im...02-18-0071.PDF

[rocketphish]

Originally Posted by Ottawacurious

https://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans...appId=__A1O8XQ

Where do I find this application in this forum?
https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applica...8-0071/details

116 York Street is for sale and referenced this dev application but can't find comments on here about it. I saved the picture w/ the blank wall as that would abut this development no? Maybe it was a bit of jockeying on behalf of Andaz to not have the Hampton develop there?

Design brief: http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Im...02-18-0071.PDF

The old 116 York Street proposal is over here:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=235267

[J.OT13]

Hope Claridge buys 116 York so they can design a tower without a blank wall and have the development step-down towards Rimap's class-act Major-Marriott Moxi redevelopment.

[zzptichka]

Found a nice angle for this building.

[J.OT13]

If you look at it from reaaaaallllllly far away, it's not bad.

At this point, I think it's better than the AC Marriott.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

If you look at it from reaaaaallllllly far away, it's not bad.

At this point, I think it's better than the AC Marriott.

Andaz just looks plain cheap and boring. AC Marriott looks cheap and boring, buti it also has some really bizarre design choices like that back wall and the plasti-brick on the facade.

[ponyboycurtis]

Originally Posted by Harley613

Andaz just looks plain cheap and boring. AC Marriott looks cheap and boring, buti it also has some really bizarre design choices like that back wall and the plasti-brick on the facade.

Andaz has a sweet booty ass cafe up top that is worth 15 bucks a drink.