1780 E Broadway | 144m, 125m, 122m | 44fl, 38fl, 37fl | Proposed

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by scottN

The Supervalu up the street at 1st and Commercial is open 24/7. There's lots of competition from cheaper grocery stores on Commercial Drive so I expect the new store to aim for the high end of the market.

As a resident of the area I sent in my comments that there ought to be more at grade retail along broadway and 10th, so the existing blank safeway wall on broadway isn't replaced with another blank safeway wall. Other recent TOD grocery stores in Vancouver have done this. 2 that come to mind are whole foods in the crossroads building and T&T at Marine Gateway.

In my 20s I used to live a block away from the Supervalu at 1st and Commercial and 24/7 hours were the absolute best. I used to work evenings/nights and did a shocking amount of my regularly grocery shopping around midnight. It was always empty at that time of night, so no lines, and whatever their the nightly restocking schedule was meant that the shelves were always stocked when I sauntered in during the wee hours of the night.

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http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2020/0...-safeway-site/

This just looks incredible. I love the redesign and hope that this sails through approval and permitting and gets build ASAP. What a fantastic (and loooooong awaited) change for the area.

[jlousa]

Guess I'm the only one that finds this project quite cluttered with too many competing elements, would've preferred a simpler design. Don't feel the current design/setup will age well.

[SpongeG]

I like the public realm aspects, will be nice in that area to just rest or meet up.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

I like the public realm aspects, will be nice in that area to just rest or meet up.

Agreed, and it compliments the Commercial-Broadway Station renovation spaceframe and conceals the less than ideal way it meets grade.

[SpongeG]

reminds me of some of the newer things you see in Tokyo

[csbvan]

Surprise, surprise - less condos and more rental. Looks good.

[s211]

Originally Posted by jlousa

Guess I'm the only one that finds this project quite cluttered with too many competing elements, would've preferred a simpler design.

Don't fret, you're not alone. The rendering doesn't help one bit, suggesting all that see-through glass into what looks like an office podium. It has the look of an abandoned storage locker.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by jlousa

Guess I'm the only one that finds this project quite cluttered with too many competing elements, would've preferred a simpler design. Don't feel the current design/setup will age well.

I agree with that. The plaza looks good, but the tower and podium look disjointed.
With the close spacing of the towers, the angled supports also suggest trying to squeeze too much in, but that could also be to provide fewer columns through the Safeway space.

The bentwood sculpture looks good, but will it become a skateboard ramp? (ie completely predictable if it does)

i.e. the X structure needed to distribute the load over the grand staircase looks awful.
It's like lazy design when the structural engineers have to resolve problems created by the architects
(ie put the grand staircase somewhere else not under the tower's structural columns)


http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2020/0...-safeway-site/

[Metro-One]

Am I the only one who gets a hint of an Art Deco vibe in this project? BTW that’s a good thing.

[rofina]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Am I the only one who gets a hint of an Art Deco vibe in this project? BTW that’s a good thing.

Totally. I like it. Reminds me of the Woodward's development, one of my favorites in Vancouver.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I agree with that. The plaza looks good, but the tower and podium look disjointed.
With the close spacing of the towers, the angled supports also suggest trying to squeeze too much in, but that could also be to provide fewer columns through the Safeway

i.e. the X structure needed to distribute the load over the grand staircase looks awful.
It's like lazy design when the structural engineers have to resolve problems created by the architects
(ie put the grand staircase somewhere else not under the tower's structural columns

I read the structure quite differently. I see a steel exoskeleton on the podium, with a different structure for the tower. I assume it's reinforced concrete as I think the height is too much for a mass timber design. If it is a steel frame it has to have cross bracing, so the design deliberately locates it over the staircase opening.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Changing City

I read the structure quite differently. I see a steel exoskeleton on the podium, with a different structure for the tower. I assume it's reinforced concrete as I think the height is too much for a mass timber design. If it is a steel frame it has to have cross bracing, so the design deliberately locates it over the staircase opening.

From the form and massing it seems to be concrete columns?

https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applic...nd-massing.pdf

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

From the form and massing it seems to be concrete columns?

https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applic...nd-massing.pdf

Yes, it does look like concrete there, and although that's the previous version (with 24, 27 and 30 storey towers) I assume the structural approach is the same in the revised scheme. That also clarifies the structural approach to the design; those angled columns forming a Y shape are an integral approach throughout the project, and the staircase opening therefore is located between two of them.

[officedweller]

There's consistent Y columns, but the wider opening over the staircase required diverting the load that would have travelling down the Y to the adjacent columns.

I think it would have looked better if the grand staircase was centred between Y columns,
then there'd still be symmetry, even with the extra crossbeams.

Here's the load distrubtion I see.



Similar to this structure at the Hootsuite Building on 4th for the garage entrance.
But in that case, it's one column distributed to 2 columns. You can see that the beams are also thicker too.
In the above case, it's 2 columns concentrating to one then distributing back to 2.

Pic by City of Rain, SRC.


https://skyrisecities.com/forum/thre...259418&slide=0

[kaitoe]

Thought it'd be interesting to compare the old vs. new.

Split comparison:


Overlaid the old image on the new one vs. the new photo by itself:

[EastVanMark]

Wow! Looks fantastic. Hope this is what actually get built. Has the potential to completely redefine that intersection into one of the best in the city.

Great looking podium, provides a good concentration of residents immediately adjacent to a transit hub, plus a pretty interesting and very much needed public plaza in that area.

Well done

[Migrant_Coconut]

Yup. It'll look and run great once it's finally built out.

[a very long weekend]

Brilliant, if still too light on density. Now to deal with the anti-growth mafia . . .

[Migrant_Coconut]

City Hall got 2538 Birch approved, didn't they? This shouldn't be much harder than that one was...

[MistyMountain]

I think you underestimate how strongly nearby residents hate density. This has been in talks for years and it's only finishing up now. There's a reason why that whole area is single family homes despite being the intersection of two rapid transit lines.