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Old Posted Feb 15, 2017, 5:05 PM
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I definitely support a view from the Texas State Cemetery and Huston-Tillotson.
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Well, the request for unlimited height was ironically prescient of them...
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Okay just got into the main update thread and if this is a proposed cvc, I'd so no way, not over this tract.
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There's no such thing as unlimited height in Austin, because we use FAR restrictions.

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Thank you! It's mind boogling why developers don't push the height limit to the max in some of these areas that are not under the CVC. For instance the parking lot behind AMLI, a tower could rise 1,000ft+ in that particular spot.
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Plan advances to create more Capitol View Corridors in Austin — with major exception

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Controversial plans to create new Capitol View Corridors, which would significantly shape development in East Austin, are moving ahead — with one major exception. The corridor that would affect the redevelopment of the Brackenridge hospital site is on hold for now at Austin City Council City's direction.

Council voted Thursday evening to direct staff to study creating four corridors that slice east of the Texas Capitol, while delaying action on the Brackenridge corridor. The Capitol View Corridors are invisible lines drawn years ago that restrict building heights in order to preserve views of the Capitol building from various parts of town.

The vote to move ahead with four corridors was unanimous while the amendment excluding the Brackenridge corridor was approved 8-3. The corridor affecting Brackenridge will be considered again by Council on March 2.
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2017, 10:57 PM
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That's a positive sign.

That's my map they linked, to btw.

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That is positive, all things considered.
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Positive...possibly. However, they should have just killed that specific CVC proposal. This now will more than likely delay Central Health's ability to move forward with their RFPs. They were going to begin that process late this month/early next month.
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Would this affect the Trump Hotel? Man, I'd love to see that showdown.

EDIT: It will. Two of the proposed corridors would go right over the site. I wonder how that would play out. Serious question, of course.

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Whatever the Trump/Scion/Waterloo Park hotel tower project turns out to be, it seems like it would be grandfathered in since the site plan application was filed a long time ago. But that would make the proposed CVC pointless because the view would be blocked. But it has been clear from the beginning that the purpose of the new CVCs is only to block new construction east of I-35 and the Scion project is on the west side.
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Whatever the Trump/Scion/Waterloo Park hotel tower project turns out to be, it seems like it would be grandfathered in since the site plan application was filed a long time ago. But that would make the proposed CVC pointless because the view would be blocked.
Very true. I also think there will be huge political pressure to squash the one cutting through Central Health's Brack campus.
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Whatever the Trump/Scion/Waterloo Park hotel tower project turns out to be, it seems like it would be grandfathered in since the site plan application was filed a long time ago.
I don't think this would be the case.
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This is yet another loss for dense high-rise development efforts in this city (delayed CodeNext drafts was a blow that probably kept at least a few taller towers from getting approved during this cycle due to the current FAR restrictions). I'm beyond fed up with our meddling city council. They are such idiots.

If the Scion hotel proposed at 32-33 stories gets blocked (and any other towers that have been proposed or could have been built in these proposed CVCs) that is a loss. If the site plan was already approved then I hope the city gets sued. City council never stops talking about affordability but then ties up proposals that would give much needed supply to keep rents & home prices closer to equilibrium in permitting review for over a year in most cases (NO other major city in Texas does this). Oh, that's right, now as a developer you can pay a large fee to have permitting review expidited. On top of having to contribute to various politically-interests (like Parks & Rec or Aff Housing) if you're not developing Apartments, in which case now you have to include at least 10% of units at less than market rate or you won't even get approved. It is basically bribery and extortion....just to accomplish what is set out in the city's master plan anyway. Ridiculous!!!
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This is yet another loss for dense high-rise development efforts in this city (delayed CodeNext drafts was a blow that probably kept at least a few taller towers from getting approved during this cycle due to the current FAR restrictions). I'm beyond fed up with our meddling city council. They are such idiots.

If the Scion hotel proposed at 32-33 stories gets blocked (and any other towers that have been proposed or could have been built in these proposed CVCs) that is a loss. If the site plan was already approved then I hope the city gets sued. City council never stops talking about affordability but then ties up proposals that would give much needed supply to keep rents & home prices closer to equilibrium in permitting review for over a year in most cases (NO other major city in Texas does this). Oh, that's right, now as a developer you can pay a large fee to have permitting review expidited. On top of having to contribute to various politically-interests (like Parks & Rec or Aff Housing) if you're not developing Apartments, in which case now you have to include at least 10% of units at less than market rate or you won't even get approved. It is basically bribery and extortion....just to accomplish what is set out in the city's master plan anyway. Ridiculous!!!
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Question (and I know this is the wrong place): After reviewing the CVC map, how will current CVCs affect the location of the new UT basketball arena?
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We should simply create a city-wide law that deals with the problem:

(insert % here) of units in every (a or b) development be given at (insert x here) share of (c or d) (e or f) (g or h), (insert exemptions here)

where:

a: multi-family rental and multi-family condo
b: multi-family rental only

c: city-wide
d: neighborhood

e: median
f: mean

g: (affordable for) income level
h: market rate rental price

The goal should be to redistribute poverty such that we don't cluster poverty in any one location. That way, all schools are dealt with and funded equally (because property taxes would eventually equalize). And thus, the poorest among us would get good education regardless of location. Of course, this is only a regional solution, not one that can or should be expropriated to the state or federal government.
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We should simply create a city-wide law that deals with the problem:

(insert % here) of units in every (a or b) development be given at (insert x here) share of (c or d) (e or f) (g or h), (insert exemptions here)...

The goal should be to redistribute poverty such that we don't cluster poverty in any one location. That way, all schools are dealt with and funded equally (because property taxes would eventually equalize). And thus, the poorest among us would get good education regardless of location. Of course, this is only a regional solution, not one that can or should be expropriated to the state or federal government.
Sorry, wwmiv, I could not disagree more. The state's Robin Hood rule already deals with making sure that schools in poverty districts receive additional funding to bridge the gap in property tax values from schools that are well-funded or over-funded. Social engineering on any level should be discouraged. In fact, I would argue that letting the markets operate in unadulterated capitalism would yield better results. Capitalistic markets ALWAYS correct themselves over time. A great example is the micro-unit development underway on the Eastside (I believe it's on East 5th). The developer saw a need for housing that is more affordable than the $1,800+ rents being charged at most new developments in Austin's core so they are building smaller units with rents that will be around $1,000 so people who would not qualify at $1,800 rents can qualify (without city or Federal subsidies) for their product and still enjoy living in a walkable, Central location.

I work for a local real estate investment firm here in town (we do some development too, but no high-rises) and can tell you first hand how difficult the city makes doing business these days. Many firms like mine recognize that there is a high-demand niche in the market for units that are not over-amenitized and not A++ luxury product. The demand is much higher, meaning that lease up is achieved much more quickly than a luxury product which then means we can sell the project when it is stabilized in a shorter amount of time while also delivering at a lower cots because we're not set on putting granite, quartz, marble, travertine tile, etc. in our developments. The combination of lower upfront cost and exiting in a much faster timeframe means that we can achieve returns that are just as good (or better) than some of the luxury developments. Returns to investors are boosted significantly by achieving a capital event (sale or refinance) in a shorter amount of time. So this is REALLY a "win-win" in that provides a quality, lower-tier product at more affordable rents to the market with a lower-risk investment to us and a shorter hold period.

And trust me when I say many developers are wary of Austin's ability to continue absorbing luxury product given the slow down in job growth and the staggering amount of supply of luxury product that has hit the market in the last 5 years. I strongly believe you will see more development geared towards middle class and low-income tenants in the next several years since it is an underserved market in Austin. This will occur without the city having to force the issue because of natural supply & demand economics. Again, the markets will always correct themselves over time...if the city doesn't interfere...I'm sure that the Brackenridge development for instance will deliver medical office space, housing and hotel space that will interact well with the neighborhood and be complimentary to the Medical School Complex without the city dictating what should be built there. That is the highest and best use of the property which developers are very well aware of and what the market will best embrace there.

On that note, I just read an ABJ article that quoted one of the Central Health representatives saying they were not made aware that a new CVC was being proposed through the project. Our city does not communicate very well either....
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Sorry, wwmiv, I could not disagree more. The state's Robin Hood rule already deals with making sure that schools in poverty districts receive additional funding to bridge the gap in property tax values from schools that are well-funded or over-funded. Social engineering on any level should be discouraged. In fact, I would argue that letting the markets operate in unadulterated capitalism would yield better results. Capitalistic markets ALWAYS correct themselves over time. A great example is the micro-unit development underway on the Eastside (I believe it's on East 5th). The developer saw a need for housing that is more affordable than the $1,800+ rents being charged at most new developments in Austin's core so they are building smaller units with rents that will be around $1,000 so people who would not qualify at $1,800 rents can qualify (without city or Federal subsidies) for their product and still enjoy living in a walkable, Central location.

I work for a local real estate investment firm here in town (we do some development too, but no high-rises) and can tell you first hand how difficult the city makes doing business these days. Many firms like mine recognize that there is a high-demand niche in the market for units that are not over-amenitized and not A++ luxury product. The demand is much higher, meaning that lease up is achieved much more quickly than a luxury product which then means we can sell the project when it is stabilized in a shorter amount of time while also delivering at a lower cots because we're not set on putting granite, quartz, marble, travertine tile, etc. in our developments. The combination of lower upfront cost and exiting in a much faster timeframe means that we can achieve returns that are just as good (or better) than some of the luxury developments. Returns to investors are boosted significantly by achieving a capital event (sale or refinance) in a shorter amount of time. So this is REALLY a "win-win" in that provides a quality, lower-tier product at more affordable rents to the market with a lower-risk investment to us and a shorter hold period.

And trust me when I say many developers are wary of Austin's ability to continue absorbing luxury product given the slow down in job growth and the staggering amount of supply of luxury product that has hit the market in the last 5 years. I strongly believe you will see more development geared towards middle class and low-income tenants in the next several years since it is an underserved market in Austin. This will occur without the city having to force the issue because of natural supply & demand economics. Again, the markets will always correct themselves over time...if the city doesn't interfere...I'm sure that the Brackenridge development for instance will deliver medical office space, housing and hotel space that will interact well with the neighborhood and be complimentary to the Medical School Complex without the city dictating what should be built there. That is the highest and best use of the property which developers are very well aware of and what the market will best embrace there.

On that note, I just read an ABJ article that quoted one of the Central Health representatives saying they were not made aware that a new CVC was being proposed through the project. Our city does not communicate very well either....
I agree 100%. It's really the market manipulation that forces developers to do things a certain way. The only reason for all the luxury products in our market today is due to the way the city artificially influences the market with its FAR ratios, height limits, CVCs, parking requirements, affordable housing requirements, etc. These city efforts aren't innocent and ultimately serve to force particular types of developments over others.

Even if we only required certain "common sense" things from our developers, our city would naturally develop into a surprisingly affordable and equitable place. It's in the effort to be in control that our city is screwing itself over, just like many other large cities have done before.
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IIRC One Two East had 297 AFFORDABLE senior housing units when it was first announced - not to mention a grocery store that would have benefited the entire neighborhood. But the NIMBYs and and their favorite city council member ignored that fact because the building was a little bit taller than zoning allowed. This is in itself proof that the city cares more about protecting high real estate prices over affordable housing. But I think the developer should have done a much better job in in promoting that project as an affordable housing project with local media. Before One Two East was killed, I remember seeing a banner that said say no to One Two East on the balcony on the top floor of a neighboring mid-rise apartment building. Talk about hypocrisy.
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Yep. The council member that proposed the four CVC extensions that may possibly impact the Brackenridge development is Ora Houston (surprise, surprise). She said it is in the interest of "equality" so that East Austin residents can have the same Capitol views as people in other parts of the city. As ATX pointed out, "equality" is one of the nice soundbites our politicians use to justify their bullshit proposals. Read between the lines, this is being done to limit height and density just East of the highway to appease the NIMBYs that killed the One Two East project and other NIMBYs that are keeping the Plaza Saltillo office tower from getting approval up to 125' (which would mean a 10-story tower could be built). I believe the approval for the PS project was capped at 70' (6 stories). All of East Central Austin is going to be a painfully identical 5-6 stories for blocks upon blocks upon blocks, with the current restrictions which isn't protecting anyone's views in the long run...Ora Houston's proposal was heavily backed by Kathie Tovo who is an old-guard Austinite that HATES development and growth, fighting it at every chance she gets at City Hall. So I'm going to say again - WHY DO WE KEEP RE-ELECTING THESE F****** MORONS!?!?!?!?
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