West Village Towers

[geotag277]

Originally Posted by Tills13

Why do you even post in this section if you never contribute anything of value?

To remind and educate everyone on how shitty every new tower proposal really is. Check your optimism at the door folks.

[TallBob]

Man there's plenty of Low-Mid rise stuff in the area.... and more proposed! I think something like these are going to be great! Street-wise would be the easiest thing to tweak or change, but these are just preliminary's anyway, right? Also, 20 years from now, Low-Mid rises might not work for that area. sometimes we think of an area in relation to a particular area and think it's going to look and feel the same in 15-20 years. Just my 2 cents of course.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by Tills13

Why do you even post in this section if you never contribute anything of value?

My opinion has as much value as any other opinion whether you are in agreement or not. I'll agree that I'm more critical than the average Calgary based forumer. This place can be like a David Parker article. By comparison, urbantoronto idolizes Chris Hume types.


I contribute a helluva lot more that you can imagine.

[Rusty van Reddick]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

This place can be like a David Parker article. By comparison, urbantoronto idolizes Chris Hume types.

Where does Christopher Hume live? What city does Christopher Hume LOVE? What city does Christopher Hume defend because its inherent greatness should not be sullied by unworthy architecture?

Which city did Christopher Hume visit and deride for having an "empty" and "dead" downtown when he studiously and purposely avoided lively people-filled areas mere blocks to the north and south because he was committed to slagging that city?

Answers are of course Toronto and Calgary. He criticises banal architecture in Toronto the same way Prince Charles did in London: because Toronto, like London, is a world-class place that deserves better. He slags Calgary as a person who would never IN A MILLION YEARS live there and can choose to see what he wants to, to support his predetermined conceptualization of it, like the rest of Canada, as utterly, completely lame.

[craner]

Always like when a developer builds the tallest tower first, and a 500 footer at that. Really would have liked them to go even taller with this design, we need a new tallest for the west end. Maybe if they build 2 taller towers instead of 3.
Overall I have to say I'm excited for this one.

[TallBob]

Craner: I've thought and said the same. It may come down to the total amount of units planned..... maybe a bit too many. Still think it'll be a two-building project, with a possibility of a little height/floors on the remaining two! IMO

[Design-mind]

Are the DP's already approved for this project?

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by geotag277

To remind and educate everyone on how shitty every new tower proposal really is. Check your optimism at the door folks.

Yeah, EAP place is an abomination because of its cheap mullions! The only nice architecture is box towers.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Design-mind

Are the DP's already approved for this project?

DP approved at planning commission on Thursday.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by Rusty van Reddick

Where does Christopher Hume live? What city does Christopher Hume LOVE? What city does Christopher Hume defend because its inherent greatness should not be sullied by unworthy architecture?

Which city did Christopher Hume visit and deride for having an "empty" and "dead" downtown when he studiously and purposely avoided lively people-filled areas mere blocks to the north and south because he was committed to slagging that city?

Answers are of course Toronto and Calgary. He criticises banal architecture in Toronto the same way Prince Charles did in London: because Toronto, like London, is a world-class place that deserves better. He slags Calgary as a person who would never IN A MILLION YEARS live there and can choose to see what he wants to, to support his predetermined conceptualization of it, like the rest of Canada, as utterly, completely lame.

He affirms the people of Toronto are a step above troglodytes for excepting banal architecture. The dandies over at UT are the same way. Can't stand that forum. On the other hand, this place is an extreme for the other end. Everything rocks with Chad as its ring leader.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

My opinion has as much value as any other opinion whether you are in agreement or not. I'll agree that I'm more critical than the average Calgary based forumer. This place can be like a David Parker article. By comparison, urbantoronto idolizes Chris Hume types.


I contribute a helluva lot more that you can imagine.

No. you're more critical than anyone. Even BlueCypress likes more projects than you do. And he actually gives real reasons, like shoddy construction etc., whereas you just do drive-by's. Can you even name me a single tower here that's been built in the last 6 years that you've actually liked? You make it sound like we're a bunch of undiscerning boosters who'd be happy for anything to be built whereas if you actually read this forum frequently enough you'd see people here have their own criticisms of projects. I see no reason to give this tower a 3/10. If we were talking a Lacaille project I might agree, but this?

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

He affirms the people of Toronto are a step above troglodytes for excepting banal architecture. The dandies over at UT are the same way. Can't stand that forum. On the other hand, this place is an extreme for the other end. Everything rocks with Chad as its ring leader.

Nice of you to bring Chad into this. Goes to show how biased you are.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

Yeah, EAP place is an abomination because of its cheap mullions! The only nice architecture is box towers.

Lol. I shouldn't respond to this hyperbole that would make the Montreal trolls you all love so much so proud. I'm sorry you can't see the unfortunate choice of cladding that has turn something that could of being extraordinary to being just ordinary. Same can be said that you are inspired by a completely out of scale superfluous crown over the subtleties of KPMB's Southcore.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by O-tacular

Nice of you to bring Chad into this. Goes to show how biased you are.

Biased? I don't think there is another forumer that wouldn't agree Chad sees greatness in just about anything.

Your problem is that any sort of criticism means dislike and an sort of critique here is few and far between. I can't think of a poll where approval wasn't in the 67% range.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Biased? I don't think there is another forumer that wouldn't agree Chad sees greatness in just about anything.

Your problem is that any sort of criticism means dislike.

I would say a 3/10 is a pretty clear dislike. Likewise, your general commentary usually leaves little room for anything positive. I'm hardly someone who doesn't like critiquing buildings. If you actually visited this forum frequently enough you'd see forumers like CorporateWhore actually make constructive criticisms that I usually agree with.

I don't disagree that Chad's excitement can get the best of him, but you are talking like every Calgary forumer is the same. The fact so many Toronto Trolls dislike Chad and you are comparing us all to him shows you have an inherent bias towards Calgary in general. Chad has nothing to do with this conversation so you bringing him into it says a lot.

[WhipperSnapper]

One project out of dozens that I wholeheartly dislike. Go through my posts. I always leave my comments on improving the design aspect which has little to do with shoddy construction. It's complete hogwash that I don't as you suggest.

Chad was just an extreme example how little balance there really is around here. It was not meant to be personal. In hindsight, not well thought out.

[Trans Canada]

Even if these end up looking like Nuera, which IMO is worst-case but also not out of the question, the overall shape and scale of this project is a definite plus. I think they will look great from afar and have a huge (positive) impact on the skyline from the N and S.

The street interaction is not going to save the West End, but I don't think any one project could do that. IMO the best thing for the area would be an office tower which might get more pedestrians moving and support local retail (something the condo-dwellers aren't doing).

[Allan83]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

One project out of dozens that I wholeheartly dislike. Go through my posts. I always leave my comments on improving the design aspect which has little to do with shoddy construction. It's complete hogwash that I don't as you suggest.

Chad was just an extreme example how little balance there really is around here. It was not meant to be personal. In hindsight, not well thought out.

I think you have some very good comments sometimes. Other times you seem to be completely out to lunch, but I suspect a factor there is that you don’t know the greater context the building is being built in. From that location, for example, I believe the tops of all of those buildings will be above Coach Hill and Signal hill to the west, and means that they’ll have a great view of the mountains. The building that’s facing the other way will have a spectacular view of the towers of downtown. There will be pretty darn good views to the north and south as well, but I’m sure the primary design consideration for those buildings was to take advantage of the views to the east and west, skyscrapers and mountains.

[Spring2008]

I like this one, cladding reminds me of the u/c Eau-Claire office tower, and the massing is bold. Although just outside of the Beltline boundaries, these 3 towers will be a big boost for the west Beltline too.

[Spring2008]

Originally Posted by Wooster

DP approved at planning commission on Thursday.

Nice, this and the two towers at WAM on 10th should get going within the next month or two.