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Old Posted Feb 10, 2011, 2:57 PM
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If the Federal Government was so intent in preserving this structure, why did they abandon it for a newly constructed office around the corner instead of renovating it and preserving its heritage features themselves? I don't see how they expect a private owner to uphold a 'covenant' in perpetuity that they themselves were unwilling to commit to. There's a lot of hypocracy seeping out of this letter from the feds.

IMO demolition should be permitted if the friezes are protected and incorporated into the new structure, and the permit should be conditional upon the approval of a building permit for the same site. There should be a tight timeline stipulated on when the new structure is to be buiilt with significant financial penalties for not meeting the timeline.
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If the Federal Government was so intent in preserving this structure, why did they abandon it for a newly constructed office around the corner instead of renovating it and preserving its heritage features themselves? I don't see how they expect a private owner to uphold a 'covenant' in perpetuity that they themselves were unwilling to commit to. There's a lot of hypocracy seeping out of this letter from the feds.

IMO demolition should be permitted if the friezes are protected and incorporated into the new structure, and the permit should be conditional upon the approval of a building permit for the same site. There should be a tight timeline stipulated on when the new structure is to be buiilt with significant financial penalties for not meeting the timeline.
This building is not even 60 years old; I think from an environmental perspective it's appalling to even consider tearing it down. What an enormous waste of resources.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2011, 11:29 PM
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If the Federal Government was so intent in preserving this structure, why did they abandon it for a newly constructed office around the corner instead of renovating it and preserving its heritage features themselves? I don't see how they expect a private owner to uphold a 'covenant' in perpetuity that they themselves were unwilling to commit to. There's a lot of hypocracy seeping out of this letter from the feds.

IMO demolition should be permitted if the friezes are protected and incorporated into the new structure, and the permit should be conditional upon the approval of a building permit for the same site. There should be a tight timeline stipulated on when the new structure is to be buiilt with significant financial penalties for not meeting the timeline.
I agree completely with you on all of those points.

I was speaking with a co-worker today about this subject, she said that back when our department was in 150 Main, the building had a large amount of issues most likely stemming from poor maintenance. The biggest issue was apparently the presence of asbestos and problems associated with removing it. There was also lead paint in many of the different offices throughout. The windows hadn't been replaced in decades and the building had poor climate control. There's no doubt these things could have been fixed with a very extensive restoration of the building, but in this day in age it takes a lot of motivation and dollars to do so. Obviously the Feds just didn't have much interest in the building and opted it would be cheaper to build a rather generic, yet modern building on Bay.

I am not terribly hung up on the building, myself. While it is a rather unique architectural example and a strong candidate for adaptive re-use, I could settle with it's demolition as long as something rather decent is put up in it's place. My main issue is Vrancor's horrible track record. I fear that if the proper conditions/penalties are not forced on him, he'll pull another HMP and even if construction does start many years down the road, it'll be a very generic design which hardly compliments the land it sits on.
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If memory serves me, it was Sheila who pushed for the new building; I'm not sure what would have happened otherwise. Anyway, the irony certainly shouldn't be lost on anyone.
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I imagine the federal government would have built something new or moved to a more modern office by now no matter what. They like big open floors (ie, without pillars and columns) that are highly configurable. There's a reason why most new office buildings are big fat cubes. Of course state of the art climate control is a must.


You working for the feds now Matt?
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Indeed I am. Top secret and all that, you know.

I can however say that 55 Bay is an incredibly badly designed building which is already seeing extensive interior repairs and re-designs... entering it's 8th year of existence.
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The Feds were getting out of the business of owning their own office space when the old federal building was abandoned. The new building is leased from a company called the Highrise Group or something like that.
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That's correct. Hi-Rise, who are also involved with the Lister Block thing.
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That's correct. Hi-Rise, who are also involved with the Lister Block thing.
Wasn't sure of the spelling, but yes thats them.
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Stoney Creek News:
$100-million development planned for downtown
By Kevin Werner / Feb 13, 2011

"Converting Caroline Street to two-way traffic in downtown Hamilton is the linch-pin to the development of a $100-million downtown development, says a prominent local developer..... The proposed scheme includes building three 25-storey towers for residential and possibly senior condominiums, and two hotels. Vranich said he could begin construction on the hotel at George and Caroline streets within six months."
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2011, 2:35 AM
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does anyone seriously believe this?

three 25-floor towers, mixed use, underground parking? I mean it makes perfect sense to me for that block of prime downtown.

$100 mil might buy the underground parking and one and a half of those 25-floor towers.

I suspect we'll get a couple stucco boxes similar to the former Market Street hotel and then eventually applied for public housing/retirement housing and converted.

The city will drool again over the Stay Suites and approve only to later have them converted with gov money to seniors/welfare housing.
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Developer donates friezes to city

By Kevin Werner/News staff
Feb 12, 2011
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While examining the eight friezes on the Federal Building at the corner of Main and Caroline Streets in 1986, Dr. Elisabeth Holbrook asked her protégé and friend, artist Christian Corbet, to protect these works of art after she passed away.

“I looked in the eye and told her I would,” said Corbet, during a news conference Friday at the Sheraton Hotel.

With the assistance of Corbet, Hamilton’s artistic community, city officials, and others, the sculptures will be preserved for the public to see.

Darko Vranich, who owns the Federal building, announced in a later afternoon news conference at the Sheraton Hotel, which he also owns, that he was donating the sculptures to the city.

“We want the public to enjoy the art work,” Vranich told reporters. “We are so happy to donate them to the city. I’m happy that Hamiltonians will enjoy them.”

Vranich purchased the building from the federal government in 2004, without knowing how valuable the friezes were until Ward 2 councillor Jason Farr told him they were estimated to be between $200,000 to $600,000. Heritage activists became concern about the art works when it was discovered Vranich had applied for a demolition permit for the building.. The city issued the permit a few weeks ago. Under a covenant established by the federal government, the friezes needed to be preserved before any demolition took place.

Vranich said he could start demolishing the building within six months to begin on a mammoth $100-million residential and commercial development between Bay and Caroline streets.

“We are working very closely with the federal heritage people, through my lawyers,” he said. “We are working very closely with the staff here.”

Anna Bradford, the city's director of culture, said the sculptures will be incorporated into an as yet unknown public art display in Hamilton for the public to see.

“We are thrilled the reliefs are coming to the city,” said Bradford, who added that removing the friezes could begin this week.

But first, the art works needs to be carefully removed from the building, and restored. Some of the friezes have suffered discolouration, and wear and tear because of the weather.

Bradford said assisting the city in restoring the friezes will be Janet McNaught, of McNaught Gallery, who assisted in restoring the Gore Park Fountain.

“She did a great job with the fountain, so we know the (art works) will be in good hands,” said Bradford.

The art works are particularly important because of Holbrook, a Hamiltonian, who died in 2009, at age 95. An internationally recognized artist, she created busts of such luminaries as Conrad Black, Ellen Fairclough, the artist Henry Moore, Queen Elizabeth and Sir Winston Churchill.

Corbet, who became her friend and protégé, was moved by the community’s intense desire to preserve Holbrook’s legacy.

“Elizabeth would be absolutely ecstatic,” said Corbet, a native of Newfoundland and Labrador. “Today she is saying thank you to you again.”
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I think it's best to disregard this most recent chapter in the Vranich saga; it's a ruse to get people on side with his demolition plans...not that I'm into conspiracies or anything.
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Well, the best way to get us on side with his demolition plans would be to show us something decent that he is willing to build. Has anyone seen, or even heard of, any conceptual drawings for Vranich's new development? I can imagine a whole block of RokBar would win few hearts.
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- 68 George Street: A six (6) storey, 134 room Staybridge Suites Hotel is proposed to replace a similar hotel at 118 Market Street that was sold and converted to a retirement home in 2010.

- 20-22 George Street: A 20 storey, 140 unit residential building with three (3) levels of underground parking and ground floor commercial uses is proposed.

- 150 Main Street West: A 20 storey, 229 unit residential building with three (3) levels of underground parking is proposed at the site of the former National Revenue building.
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- 68 George Street: A six (6) storey, 134 room Staybridge Suites Hotel is proposed to replace a similar hotel at 118 Market Street that was sold and converted to a retirement home in 2010.
He had to sell 118 Market Street to pay off his wife in an ugly divorce!
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Downtown site for massive re-development proposal

Work on a $100 million project that would change the skyline of downtown Hamilton is expected to start as early as June.

The project, conceived by developer Darko Vranich, will bring 628 condo units, two extended stay hotels and 20,000 square feet of retail space to the core.

“Darko is putting his money where his mouth is for this project,” said downtown councillor Jason Farr. “This spring is what they are shooting for to get shovels in the ground.”

For the last decade Vranich has been quietly assembling land downtown and his Vrancor group now owns a large piece of the block bounded by Bay, Hess, King and Main streets. His plan calls for four buildings along George Street, starting with a 134-room extended stay hotel at the west end, adjacent to Hess Street.

The sites slated for development include the former Hamilton Motor Products dealership property at Main and Bay.

Start dates for the other towers, which could run as high as 20 storeys, haven’t been set yet.

“Everyone is excited about this project,” Farr said. “It is massive good news for the downtown.”

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Old Posted Apr 5, 2011, 3:25 AM
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Classic land speculation move ..... will never happen. He hopes to pump the value of his Fed Bldg and his HMP parking lot. never will happen, not with his rep. And that rendering is nothing what would be. A 160 room hotel is like 4-5 floors give us a beak on the dreams that will never happen from ArtsInc. to Acclamation to HMP Hilton. please i think The old School, buy and dump land speculation is dead. No one believes anymore. Let's see some cranes then maybe we'll believe.
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DAAAYYUMMMMM!!! I don't want to get my hopes up, but I am really happy about this!
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get your hopes up then. See how many times that happens, how many years before you get how land development happens in Hamilton.
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