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Old Posted Sep 21, 2007, 9:14 PM
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^^^^ jsoto3, the photo on the far left is one of the best photos of downtown Austin I've seen in a long time IMO. In fact, I now have it as my desktop background. Hope you don't mind. Thanks for sharing.
Hear Hear! Agreed... a unique angle and great silhouette
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Love these shots! I'd probably pass out and fall over the side if I'd taken those... Quick question regarding these shots, on the 360 tower are we approaching the top out point, or will the cranes be bumped up one last time? It seems we have a little ways to go, and the crane as it stands will need to
go higher. Hope that's true.
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Wow, it seems as though my little bit of helpful advice has been met with indirect derision in the form of repeated praise for the photographer. I repeat... great shots.
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Wow, it seems as though my little bit of helpful advice has been met with indirect derision in the form of repeated praise for the photographer. I repeat... great shots.
Apparently! Next, please tell us what stock to pick for Monday's trading.
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Monarch Update

After two months of sales, Monarch tower to become apartments again

Austin Business Journal - by A.J. Mistretta
Buyers of units in The Monarch residential tower downtown are being notified today that the project's developer is changing the apartment-turned-condo high-rise back into apartments.

ZOM Inc. has decided not to proceed with selling the 305 units in its 29-story tower. The company had originally planned the project as apartments, but decided to take it to the sales market earlier this summer in the heat of downtown condo demand. About 20 percent of the units were sold in the last 60 days, according to Kevin Burns with Urbanspace Realtors LLP, which was tapped to market the condos. Units were marketed at $229,000 to $1.75 million. The Monarch, located at 801 West Fifth Street is slated for completion by the second quarter of 2008.

"The decision to convert The Monarch back to apartments was based on timing rather than demand," says Steve Buck, chief operating officer of ZOM Companies. "The buyers are there; just not at the pace we needed by early 2008."

Burns says the decision to switch strategy wasn't at all a reflection of lack of demand for condo units downtown. "For us to have sold as many units as we did in the slowest selling season, I think says a lot," Burns says. "We simply didn't have the luxury of time on sales."

The Monarch's units will range in size from 681 square feet to 3,530 square feet with lease rates starting at $1,650. The development will also feature more than 9,500 square feet of ground-floor retail space.

Burns says taking Monarch out of the sales picture will likely make the downtown condo market rather tight in the near term. Developments that are near completion like The Shore and 360 are virtually sold out. And while a slew of new projects have been announced, and a few have broken ground, it will be late 2009 before the first of those comes to market.

Developer Larry Warshaw, a partner in Barton Place, The Spring and other projects, says while demand among those who actually plan to live in the unit they're buying remains strong, he's seen a decline in investor interest in condos in recent months concurrent with the tightening credit markets.

"Owner occupants and those who are looking at this as a long term investment, those groups appear to be fairly immune to anything," Warshaw says.

Warshaw says The Monarch may have had a tough time overcoming its original image as an apartment project.

"The market is still strong but less forgiving than it was a year ago," says Warshaw. "It won't carry a marginal location or a product that doesn't hit the sweet spot--and there are various things that will affect whether or not it hits the sweet spot."

Still, Warshaw says, ZOM may be looking at the extremely strong downtown apartment market. The opening in coming weeks of the new AMLI downtown property at Third and San Antonio streets will help alleviate some of the rental demand, but no other apartment properties downtown are close to completion.
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I know nothing about apartment vs. condo, but this does not sound like good news for downtown. If the demand wasn't there for these units, why would it be there for other projects? Perhaps Monarch wasn't upscale enough to differentiate it from other projects?
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Confused here - are they yanking the units back from the 20% they supposedly sold to?
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The most ominous sounding thing in the article was the statement that investor money for condos has dried up. I don't know what percentage of total condo sales that is, generally, but I would assume it's very significant. I fear that will spell trouble for future developments that haven't broken ground yet.
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It is also worth noting that Monarch was one of the cheapest projects downtown. Not sure what that means for the higher priced projects that haven't broken ground.
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Confused here - are they yanking the units back from the 20% they supposedly sold to?
Yes, they have to. Those people wouldn't be able to get financing if the building was 80% rentals. Most lenders have limitations on condo projects for what % of the building can be rentals.
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this project was built to be apartments, by a company that has experience in building apartments. There isn't floor-to-ceiling windows, or any other features that most other condos have downtown. the amenities aren't as good as others also.
I dont think this means we have a bust in the downtown area. Its hard to sell ~300 sub-luxury condos. ZOM probably thought the market was right to try to sell a product that was in high-demand and it didn't work out.
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texastarkus, I've merged your thread with JAM's.

I think The Monarch went back to apartments because they just hadn't done enough marketing on it. Remember how long we waited for this one to start up? Even after it broke ground they were slow to do anything. Even with a crane on the site they were still moving slow. 360 on the other hand has been swift and exact both with construction and marketing.

Besides that, 20 percent of the units being sold in just 2 months is nothing to sneeze at, considering projects of this size typically take up to 24 months to complete. I wouldn't worry too much.
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texastarkus, I've merged your thread with JAM's.

I think The Monarch went back to apartments because they just hadn't done enough marketing on it. Remember how long we waited for this one to start up? Even after it broke ground they were slow to do anything. Even with a crane on the site they were still moving slow. 360 on the other hand has been swift and exact both with construction and marketing.

Besides that, 20 percent of the units being sold in just 2 months is nothing to sneeze at, considering projects of this size typically take up to 24 months to complete. I wouldn't worry too much.
I agree Kevin. I don't think this is saying that much. It amazes me how quick folks like to jump to "the sky is falling".
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Don't know if anyone caught the KVUE 10pm news tonight, but the Monarch change was the lead story. I thought it was curious that they were making such a big news item out of it.

They interviewed someone at Spring who said the Monarch was not indicative of the market and that many of the Spring buyers were from out of the state and country including a number from the middle east (thought that part was interesting). They also said Spring was 50% reserved.
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Fox7 did a story on it also toward the beginning of the news. But they also did a story on the issue of needing another downtown fire station, so I think they were sort of on a role with highrise stories there.
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Here is a link to the kvue story:

http://www.kvue.com/video/index.html?nvid=192246&shu=1
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Fox7 did a story on it also toward the beginning of the news. But they also did a story on the issue of needing another downtown fire station, so I think they were sort of on a role with highrise stories there.
Yep, they sure did... You can watch the video here:

http://www.myfoxaustin.com/myfox/pag...Y&pageId=1.1.1

Looks like they had a camera at the top of 360? Some great shots of downtown. No mention of Monarch specifically...

This is a week-long series, so be sure to watch each night at 9.
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Yep, I'm planning on watching it. And yes, I think they had the camera up on the tower crane. Either in the cab, or else in a "bucket".

More on the switch back to apartments. It just sounds like they ran out of time. If you guys remember, The Monarch took forever to progress. I remember us thinking it might not ever be built because we had heard so little on it in the media before ground was broken.

Click on the link for the entire article.

From the Austin American-Statesman
http://www.statesman.com/business/co...13monarch.html

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Monarch site switches back to apartments
Developers say timing was issue in abandoning condo plans

By Shonda Novak
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF


Tuesday, November 13, 2007

The Monarch won't emerge as condos after all.

First planned as apartments and then changed to condominiums, the 305-unit residential tower that is under construction in downtown Austin has been switched back to apartments. ZOM Texas Inc., a subsidiary of Orlando, Fla.-based ZOM Cos., said the decision was based on timing rather than demand, with uncertainty in the mortgage markets a factor in slowing buyers' decisions.

"The buyers are there, just not at the pace we needed by early 2008," when the project opens, said Steve Buck, chief operating officer of ZOM Cos.
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Yes, they have to. Those people wouldn't be able to get financing if the building was 80% rentals. Most lenders have limitations on condo projects for what % of the building can be rentals.
I had to put down 25% on my condo in Clarksville in 1997 because the majority of units were being rented out, but I was still able to buy. I guess I'm curious if there's any penalty for the builder in this scenario - had I put down a deposit and then had the unit yanked back, I'd be pretty pissed.
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