CHICAGO | Boom rundown - everything over 12 floors. v5 - Page 4

Nowhereman1280 · #61 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 3:09 AM**

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Thanks!!
I went to college at UWM for architecture, but changed, and that's what I thought I heard. It was a while ago back in 1998.
I agree, Milwaukee is a miniature Chicago! Summerfest is the best! I used to live on Kramer and go the the bars on North Ave!
Great time!!

Most definitely, I plan on going just about every day to Summerfest this summer! I really miss Milwaukee now that I'm down here at Loyola and only get to go back every month or two!

Markitect · #62 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 8:08 AM**

Most of what is today Downtown Milwaukee was built upon rather marshy land that was drained, filled in with dirt, sand, debris, and whatever else could be found to make dry land on top of which to build. As a result, the underground conditions are not quite ideal for erecting large, heavy, tall buildings. Of course, it is not impossible, but the construction techniques necessary for building skyscrapers on such land adds to the cost of building a building, especially buildings that are tall. They require special foundation work and many pilings which much be driven into the ground, driven through the top layers of fill, and through the softer ground of the burried marshland in order to reach rock stable enough to support the weight of tall buildings. Early skyscrapers used wooden timbers for piles, and are subject to the threat of those water table/rotting issues. Construction technology has changed since the early skyscraper days, and now piles are made of steel or concrete; they can't rot, but they still increase the construction costs.

This is why many skyscrapers in Downtown Milwaukee are not built around a central core, because that's where the lowlands are, where the marshes used to be. True, there are a few exceptions, but most Downtown skyscrapers are built a few blocks outside the river valley, uphill from those lowlands, where underground conditions are more solid and stable.

Just about everything Downtown Milwaukee south of Wisconsin Avenue between about 5th and Cass Streets was once a marsh. Ditto for the Water Street corridor running northward to about Humboldt. The Third Ward was all marsh; it even had a couple of islands. Most of Walker's Point east of 2nd Street going all the way south to about Beecher was also marsh. And the Menomonee Valley was one big marsh as well.

SlatsGrobnik · #63 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 11:58 AM**

Umm. . .I thought this was the CHICAGO boom thread. How 'bout starting a M'waukee thread if you want to talk about that.

F1 Tommy · #64 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 12:33 PM**

In another 20 years it will be part of the Chicago Metro!!
Until then you need to start another thread..I like MKE also..
Nice city.

rgolch · #65 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 12:50 PM**

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In another 20 years it will be part of the Chicago Metro!!

Not without high speed rail.

Nowhereman1280 · #66 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 2:32 PM**

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Not without high speed rail.

Well they are planning on widening 94 between Milwaukee and Chicago to 4 lanes each way in the next ten years or so. Also, if CS gets built, there will be a direct line of sight between the top of Milwaukee's tallest building, US Bank, and Chicago's tallest building, CS. I did the math several times over and found the same thing every time, ignoring atmospheric conditions, the top of CS should be visible from the top of US Bank and vice versa...

I think that suggests that MKE and CHI will soon be/kinda are a united metro area already.

LoyolaBeachView · #67 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 2:50 PM**

300, 353, Marriot, Trump, Kingsbury

F1 Tommy · #68 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 3:19 PM**

Thanks for the photos.

X-fib · #69 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 5:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280

Since I moved here to Chicago I really have been quite amazed at home similar Milwaukee and Chicago manage to be (Milwaukee is in many ways a "miniature" version of Chicago) while remaining so completely different...

In the broader sense (particularly economically) I think Milwaukee is in within the region of Chicago metro influence. Look how many people cummute back and forth now. The same can be said for the relationship between Green Bay and Milwaukee. If Milwaukee is a mini Chicago than Green Bay is a smaller version of beer town!

forumly_chgoman · #70 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 6:18 PM**

ENOUGH of the Milwaukee talk....this is the Chicago Boom thread.......not the Chicago / Milwaukee are siblings thread

Steely, if these guys keep this up can you start deleting post.....please

thx

SlatsGrobnik · #71 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 7:27 PM**

Ditto.

X-fib · #72 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 8:31 PM**

Sorry .... back to Chicago

chicubs111 · #73 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 10:47 PM**

Law Firm Pre-Leases Six Floors in 155 N. Wacker Tower
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP to Take 165,000 SF; John Buck Co. to Break Ground on 46-Story Tower This Summer

The law firm of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP & Affiliates pre-leased about 165,000 square feet in the proposed office tower at 155 N. Wacker Drive in downtown Chicago.

The law firm will occupy six floors in the 46-story, 1.1 million-square-foot building, which will sit at the southeast corner of Wacker Drive and Randolph St.

Elaine Melonides, Brad Balson and Dan McCarthy of Jones Lang LaSalle handled the deal for Skadden. Drew Nieman and Kevin Morgan represented the developer, The John Buck Co., in-house.

The John Buck Co. plans to break ground on the project this summer, with occupancy expected in July 2009.

The tower has been pre-certified at the Silver level under the U.S. Green Building Council's Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) program. It will feature a two-level underground parking garage for tenants, and state-of-the-art conference and fitness centers.

A partnership of JBC Funds, Morgan Stanley’s Prime Property Fund and Brijus Properties owns the building. Goettsch Partners is designing the project. A bank syndicate led by Bank of America, LaSalle Bank and Helaba is providing construction financing.

http://www.costar.com/News/Article.aspx?id=EB8489361305F6677E646E0CF07FFDC6

bnk · #74 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 11:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Markitect

Most of what is today Downtown Milwaukee was built upon rather marshy land that was drained, filled in with dirt, sand, debris, and whatever else could be found to make dry land on top of which to build. As a result, the underground conditions are not quite ideal for erecting large, heavy, tall buildings. Of course, it is not impossible, but the construction techniques necessary for building skyscrapers on such land adds to the cost of building a building, especially buildings that are tall. They require special foundation work and many pilings which much be driven into the ground, driven through the top layers of fill, and through the softer ground of the burried marshland in order to reach rock stable enough to support the weight of tall buildings. Construction technology has changed since the early skyscraper days, and now piles are made of steel or concrete; they can't rot, but they still increase the construction costs.

Thanks for you imput.

but the same thing could be said about Chicago. Streeterville, for example, was built on top of a garbage dump thrown into the lake.

Sir Isaac Newton · #75 Posted **Apr 4, 2007, 11:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by chicubs111

Law Firm Pre-Leases Six Floors in 155 N. Wacker Tower
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP to Take 165,000 SF; John Buck Co. to Break Ground on 46-Story Tower This Summer

The law firm of Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP & Affiliates pre-leased about 165,000 square feet in the proposed office tower at 155 N. Wacker Drive in downtown Chicago.

The law firm will occupy six floors in the 46-story, 1.1 million-square-foot building, which will sit at the southeast corner of Wacker Drive and Randolph St.

Elaine Melonides, Brad Balson and Dan McCarthy of Jones Lang LaSalle handled the deal for Skadden. Drew Nieman and Kevin Morgan represented the developer, The John Buck Co., in-house.

The John Buck Co. plans to break ground on the project this summer, with occupancy expected in July 2009.

The tower has been pre-certified at the Silver level under the U.S. Green Building Council's Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) program. It will feature a two-level underground parking garage for tenants, and state-of-the-art conference and fitness centers.

A partnership of JBC Funds, Morgan Stanley’s Prime Property Fund and Brijus Properties owns the building. Goettsch Partners is designing the project. A bank syndicate led by Bank of America, LaSalle Bank and Helaba is providing construction financing.

http://www.costar.com/News/Article.aspx?id=EB8489361305F6677E646E0CF07FFDC6

Page 1 has this building at 48 stories, SSC has it at 50, and this article has it at 46. Does anyone know what the correct floor count (and height) is?

spyguy · #76 Posted **Apr 5, 2007, 12:30 AM**

The next Friends of Downtown Brown Bag presentation
Thursday, April 5th at 12.15
Chicago Cultural Center
Millennium Room, 5th floor east

353 North Clark

Rux Currin from Mesirow Financial Real Estate and Dirk Lohan of Lohan Associates will discuss the new 1.1 million square foot office tower now under construction on the block bounded by Kinzie, Dearborn and Clark. The tower, designed by Dirk Lohan and A. Epstein & Sons, will be the new home of Jenner & Block and Mesirow Financial. In addition, the building will include retail, health club and dining facilities. Hear about the design and development process of this addition to the growing River North office market.

rgolch · #77 Posted **Apr 5, 2007, 1:59 AM**

Is the supposed proposal for a new Jahn tower still out somewhere? I remember Steely or Vic saying it was something that was supposed to be pretty special, but I can't remember the details.

honte · #78 Posted **Apr 5, 2007, 2:15 AM**

^ Well, the CSX site that was once rumored to have a Jahn tower in the mix appears to be in the hands of Adrian Smith instead... but it is a large parcel, certainly enough room for both.

If not, that would leave the site across the street from NBC for a tower from Jahn. But I haven't heard anything about that project in a long time.

i_am_hydrogen · #79 Posted **Apr 5, 2007, 2:29 AM**

I was waiting for danthediscoman to post this here, but he hasn't done so.

Opus 110 (taken by danthediscoman)

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FINALLY!!

Disco Stu is workin pro bono.

spyguy · #80 Posted **Apr 5, 2007, 3:16 AM**

http://www.chicagojournal.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=60&ArticleID=2867&TM=83249.23

Ashland and Taylor tower planned
New West plans 20-story building, single-family homes

By HAYDN BUSH

New West Realty, the real estate firm headed by former First Ward alderman Ted Mazola, has recently developed plans for a modern, Fiberglas 20-story building at Taylor and Ashland, Campus Green Townhome Association president Dan Pattangi said Tuesday.

The development, which would surround the Medical District City Apartments and the Campus Green townhome complex along Ashland Avenue, would also include 20 townhomes and six single family homes near Polk and Ashland, along with 28,000 square feet of retail space in the larger building at Taylor.

Katherine Sather, a spokesperson for New West Realty, declined to discuss the development Tuesday, saying New West has not yet released its plans to the community.

"It's way too early in the planning process for us to comment," Sather said. "It's premature."

However, Pattangi said Tuesday that Mazola has presented plans to Campus Green for a 20-story building on the side facing Ashland. According to the plans, the building would taper down to four stories at Taylor Street.

Because the Campus Green development is part of the same Planned Urban Development as the New West parcels, Pattangi said the building's individual unit owners would have to vote in favor of the project before changes to the PUD can be made.

Originally, Pattangi said, New West proposed a squatter 16-story building on the site, but redesigned it as a slimmer, taller building after hearing complaints from Campus Green and neighborhood group the University Village Association.

Pattangi said he has not yet made up his mind on the development. He added that the board of the townhome association will decide in the next few weeks whether to have individual unit owners vote on the development.

"We're hoping that the development is done in the right way so that it is good for everyone," Pattangi said.

Some members of his board, Pattangi said, are concerned with the density of the project; for his part, Pattangi is waiting to see traffic studies that address the impact the building would have on nearby congestion. He added that he is also waiting to see how much parking is included in the project.

"I'm not in favor of people or personalities," Pattangi said. "I'm in favor of development, but I do not know how all the pieces fit in together."

At last week's University Village Association meeting, John Chandler, UVA board member and St. Ignatius Vice President, said that the UVA would hold off on supporting the project until the Campus Green group votes on the matter.

UVA board member Kris Allcroft, meanwhile, said the development was too big for its surroundings.

"This is out of scale with other buildings in our neighborhood," Allcroft said.