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Old Posted Apr 27, 2016, 1:25 AM
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The proposal is a way of saying "we're not yet ready to really develop this corner but we still want income from the property." The inclusion of a drive-thru reflects an out-of-town, out-of-touch and rather tone-deaf approach that says "fast, cheap, lowest common denominator". The whole thing has to be rejected.

The real answer for that site is a proper redevelopment that takes the now-heritage structure, or the salient parts of it, out of their present location and brings them streetfront to integrate them into the podium of a mixed-use mid-rise building. The existing city-owned lane should be the only vehicular point of access into the block and for any parking provided on-site.
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2016, 2:50 AM
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The real answer for that site is a proper redevelopment that takes the now-heritage structure, or the salient parts of it, out of their present location and brings them streetfront to integrate them into the podium of a mixed-use mid-rise building. The existing city-owned lane should be the only vehicular point of access into the block and for any parking provided on-site.
I didn't realize there was a mid-block lane here. It looks like hedges, sheds, and fences have blocked most of it. But you can see it was open in the 1965 aerials on GeoOttawa.

If the development kitty-corner to this project (1451 Wellington) was required to be a "landmark" building with a "wow factor", this corner deserves the same kind of treatment.

However technically the two projects are in different secondary plans, so different policies will apply ("gateway" vs "landmark")
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2016, 1:48 AM
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How is this developer going to make $$$$ operating a coffee shop with 5 parking spots?????? The heritage designation is the most ridiculous thing that could happen to this site. The developer should sue the city. It appears that our elitist city councillor don't understand that a developer needs to make money to pay for the land, renovations, etc.
His is setting the stage for Westboro to become like the Glebe where it is nearly impossible to build nice infill homes. We should work to improve the community and not be stucked in the past.


I just hope that the outcome of this is not an abandoned building for years to come.
Amazing.
How do other coffee shops survive with 2 parking spots in front?
Who even drives to a coffee shop?
Our elitist counicilor actually took time and recorded typical drive through experience on a tight busy street for your viewing pleasure. Enjoy.

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Old Posted Apr 27, 2016, 2:29 PM
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Great video, zzptichka, thanks for the post.

I don't even bother using the driveway for that Petro Canada when I fill up -- I have to use the light at the intersection to make my way by the plebs getting their drive-through Timmies fill.

I used to have to commute past the Tim Hortons just west of Woodroffe on Richmond every day. As soon as I got within 200m, I'd have to preemptively get off the gas and slow down, in anticipation of the people who would turn in and out of the driveway without signalling, or any regard for other motorists or pedestrians. Ugh!

The idea of a drive through for this property is awful.

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My undertanding is that the property didn't have the heritage designation when it last sold. I think in that case, the heritage designation should be wiped for this property, and Main & Main should be able to proceed with condos. If not, whoever supports the heritage designation should have to compensate Main and Main for the market value of the site before the designation change, plus an added fee for their holding costs and management.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2017, 12:40 AM
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Very pleased that the Island Park/Richmond drive-thru application has been closed. Thanks to the City and so many for the advocacy on that.
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2018, 7:10 PM
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Purchased by Trinity for $2 million
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2018, 5:27 PM
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Trinity now has a page for this project - opening date of 2022
http://www.trinity-group.com/propert...d-island-park/


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Old Posted Oct 8, 2018, 5:49 AM
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Looks awkward but at least it's not a drive thru.
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2018, 4:24 PM
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Very little you can do with that building. I usually oppose moving historically designated buildings but int this case, the designation was a bad call IMO (Esso across the street is a much better example of a classic gas station).
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I'm surprised they didn't design for more levels given the height of other condo buildings in the area.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2018, 2:31 PM
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Looks like trinity has made this one larger; new render shows up to 9 floors now.

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Condo Canyon is creeping eastward!
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Condo Canyon is creeping eastward!
Condo Canyon - now with setbacks!
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Looks like trinity has made this one larger; new render shows up to 9 floors now.

They could change that roof to copper and match the Mizrahi project in the opposite corner, then maybe incorporate some of that detail to the rest of the streetfront to make it more interesting and cohesive.

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Old Posted Nov 27, 2018, 9:18 PM
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They could change that roof to copper and match the Mizrahi project in the opposite corner, then maybe incorporate some of that detail to the rest of the streetfront to make it more interesting and cohesive.
Wow, nice, that really does tie it together. I hope someone from Trinity follows these forums.
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Trinity floating redevelopment of 'cottage' gas station off Island Park

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: January 8, 2019




A company is floating a redevelopment idea for the old cottage-style gas station at Richmond Road and Island Park Drive, on the property where a previous plan to install a drive-thru café caused a stir in the community.

Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper said Trinity Developments has what he considers a “rough noodle” of the plan for 70 Richmond Rd., rather than a full-blown project proposal. There is no development application filed at city hall.

Trinity has been featuring the future development on its website, with an opening slated for 2022. Trinity officials weren’t available for comment Monday.

Leiper said Trinity has suggested moving the old building on the property closer to the main street and constructing a tall building behind it.

Doing anything with the 1930s heritage building would require city council’s blessing.

Council would also need to approve proposed changes to the zoning rules for the site, including the maximum height. Trinity’s rendering of the development suggests a new building would have roughly nine or 10 storeys.

The Richmond Road/Westboro community design plan calls for a maximum of four storeys of development at 70 Richmond Rd., with potential for six storeys at “gateway” lands in the area.

“We’ve suggested to them that the community won’t act favourably to something that exceeds the community design plan,” Leiper said.

However, holding a development to the prescribed height could be difficult, since Mizrahi Developments has approval from the Ontario Municipal Board to construct a 12-storey condo building diagonally across the intersection at 1445 and 1451 Wellington St. W., which has been considered a gateway property between Westboro, Wellington West and Ottawa’s core.

On top of that, there are already tall condo buildings, in the eight- to 10-storey range, on Richmond Road west of Island Park Drive.

Leiper acknowledged the Mizrahi development in particular could open the door to more development density around the intersection.

The service station building, designed as an English cottage, was constructed in 1934. Benzolene Corporation Ltd. was the first company listed as occupying the property, according to city research. It became a Champlain Oil Company service station shortly later. (Champlain was owned by Charles-Emile Trudeau, the father of former prime minister Pierre Trudeau).

Ottawa artist Andrew King drew the public’s attention to the unique building in September 2014 and noted that the property had been purchased by developer Main + Main.

City council in September 2015 voted to give the building heritage protection, since it’s a rare example of a 1930s service station located on an important road that connected rural communities with Ottawa. The gas station is a symbol of the growing vehicle ownership in the early 20th century, city planners argued.

Main + Main wanted to turn the property into a drive-thru café, but Leiper and other community leaders opposed the idea because they thought a drive-thru would negatively impact walkability and worsen traffic congestion at a busy intersection.

It’s a tricky property for a complementary development to the heritage building since the heritage building is at the back of the land.

David Jeanes, president of Heritage Ottawa, said the advocacy organization hasn’t heard from Trinity about the company’s idea for the property, but he noted that moving any part of a heritage building is usually a “pretty extreme” move.

“It’s a difficult site for development, but on the other hand, it was designated (as heritage) for good reason,” Jeanes said.

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lol, I'd like to see the NIMBY's noodle their way out of this one!

Restaurant? "NOOOOO"
Drive-Thru? "NOOOOO"
Another gas station? "NOOOO"

Ok fine, we'll put a giant condo instead.
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2019, 6:14 PM
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Trinity floating redevelopment of 'cottage' gas station off Island Park

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
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Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper said Trinity Developments has what he considers a “rough noodle” of the plan for 70 Richmond Rd., rather than a full-blown project proposal. There is no development application filed at city hall.
"rough doodle"?
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2019, 8:26 PM
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"rough doodle"?
"Rough noodle". I knew he'd quote that before the words were fully out of my face. First day back in the office, face not quite working yet.
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Old Posted Jan 8, 2019, 6:03 PM
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1451 Wellington West set the bar way high when it comes to the gateway landmark loop hole. Knowing the City though, they'll probably approve any mediocre project proposed by their friends at Trinity. They won't have to go through the same headaches as Mizrahi.
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