NEW YORK | 250 Water Street | 2 x 470 FT | 38 FLOORS - Page 4

JMKeynes · #61 Posted **Mar 25, 2020, 6:10 PM**

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I wouldn't mind this. It's also SOM. It would probably have a different feel if it's not glass though, not sure.

Are those SOM’s renderings? It also looks like a tower in Miami. I love it.

NYguy · #62 Posted **Mar 25, 2020, 8:29 PM**

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Are those SOM’s renderings? It also looks like a tower in Miami. I love it.

No. It’s just a rendering based on the model massings.

JMKeynes · #63 Posted **Mar 25, 2020, 10:07 PM**

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No. It’s just a rendering based on the model massings.

Thanks

chris08876 · #64 Posted **Mar 26, 2020, 4:15 AM**

Credit: siniaevart

dave8721 · #65 Posted **Mar 26, 2020, 4:19 AM**

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I wouldn't mind this. It's also SOM. It would probably have a different feel if it's not glass though, not sure.

SouthEast Financial Center in Miami

NYguy · #66 Posted **Mar 26, 2020, 5:38 PM**

^ Similar in form, but the materials will be very different.

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Credit: siniaevart

This is the 770 ft (2-towered) version, which is very similar to the 990 ft version. This is the version that has a higher likelihood to get proposed if the NIMBYs rage on the height. And below that is the chunky version that I don't think stands a chance.

NYguy · #67 Posted **Mar 29, 2020, 12:56 AM**

Someone can use this image to put some renderings in....

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...?adppopup=true

JMKeynes · #68 Posted **Mar 29, 2020, 2:37 AM**

The developer should promise a new elementary or high school to sway these shmucks to approve the taller tower.

NYguy · #69 Posted **Mar 29, 2020, 4:41 AM**

^ That would have to come from the City. There was a school built at Ghery's Beekman tower, but the City has a say on where its schools are, and where they are needed. There's also a school across the street.

https://prismpub.com/ps-343-manhatta...n-new-york-ny/

Here are some of the things being offered in exchange. Not that anything would be enough for them.

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gramsjdg · #70 Posted **Mar 30, 2020, 5:46 PM**

I like the restored lighthouse and SOM tower design.

NYguy · #71 Posted **May 4, 2020, 1:56 PM**

Looks like a height bump...

https://newyorkyimby.com/2020/05/off...-district.html

Official Renderings Revealed For SOM’s Supertall 250 Water Street, In South Street Seaport District

BY: VANESSA LONDONO
MAY 4, 2020

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In an exclusive reveal, today, YIMBY has the scoop on the official renderings for Howard Hughes‘ planned supertall at 250 Water Street on the edge of the Financial District in the South Street Seaport, designed by Skidmore Owings & Merrill. There has been much speculation about whether the full-block development could reach supertall status with the transfer of 700,000 square feet in air rights, which would make it the tallest structure in Lower Manhattan, after One and Three World Trade Center, with diagrams indicating a total height just shy of 1,052 feet

gramsjdg · #72 Posted **May 4, 2020, 2:13 PM**

Nice! The color is a nice contrast to the buildings in the area.

Crawford · #73 Posted **May 4, 2020, 2:34 PM**

Looks good to me. Will really bulk up the East River side of Lower Manhattan. Will look great with that SHOP supertall.

Also, those horrible urban renewal-era towers behind the site need to be redeveloped. They're full of NIMBYs and are pretty terrible at street level.

JMKeynes · #74 Posted **May 4, 2020, 2:46 PM**

At a minimum, the elevated FDR should be razed south of the Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall exit. I'd ideally like to see the whole FDR converted into a park. There's no reason why people crossing the Harlem/East River in cars can't drive up and down the avenues. I hope that the congestion fee is so high that people will cease driving into Manhattan.

NYguy · #75 Posted **May 4, 2020, 5:11 PM**

I hope they go the full height route, to better balance with 80 South Street (which would be higher than what could be shown here).

Camstonisland · #76 Posted **May 4, 2020, 6:26 PM**

Anyone have any renderings of the non-river side of the tower? Are they doing anything interesting with the back corner, or will it just look like a red and brown 432 Park Ave? The triangle inset on the river side looks great, but their ignoring of the other side is concerning.

SkyHigher · #77 Posted **May 4, 2020, 6:38 PM**

Hooray it's red not a shade of blue for once!! + Makes 80 South Street less out of place

Zapatan · #78 Posted **May 4, 2020, 8:44 PM**

A combination of this + 80 SS would be mighty epic

How likely is it that the NIMBYs put an end to all of this though? (Or 80 SS for that matter). I bet Gale is going into vulture mode.

SkyHigher · #79 Posted **May 5, 2020, 12:14 AM**

Out of interest is there any scope for more skyscrapers nearby 250 Water Street?

NYguy · #80 Posted **May 5, 2020, 12:35 AM**

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Out of interest is there any scope for more skyscrapers nearby 250 Water Street?

Not really, unless you go up a little bit to the Two-Bridges towers that are undergoing their own battles.

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How likely is it that the NIMBYs put an end to all of this though? (Or 80 SS for that matter). I bet Gale is going into vulture mode.

80 South Street just needs a developer with financing to get built, something that could take a little while. 250 Water Street has to move through the approvals process, but one thing the developer has going is that no one wants a large tower built directly on the waterfront, which is the other alternative to a development on this site, whatever form that may take.