NEW YORK | Hudson Yards Phase 2 | 1,376 - 1,189 - 1,180 FT | 80/80/74 FLOORS

[Prezrezc]

Hmmm.....

"Among" doubtless presupposes two or more.

What I'd do for dibs on the short list.....

[NYguy]

^ Stern was also mentioned earlier. I think SHoP is on as well.

Originally Posted by NYguy

Gehry and Stern confirmed....(western yards begins at about 36 minutes in)...


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[Busy Bee]

Gehry huh...hmmm. Expect something absurd and graceless.

[chris08876]

Phase II portion on the Upper East bloc of Western Yards will be: office + residential @ 1.5 mil-sq ft. Should generate a sizable tower by the sounds of it.

[NYguy]

Any guesses on which one will be Calatrava?

[chris08876]

The two interconnected residential towers in the middle. Just a guess, but with the garden component, I could envision Calatrava working his magic on that,

[BVictor1]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Gehry huh...hmmm. Expect something absurd and graceless.

8 Spruce is awesome.

[Prezrezc]

Just as a quick aside here, re 8 Spruce:

There's a reason why one side of the tower is a flat surface.

My understanding of it is that the developers told Gehry to not go ham on the overall exterior form of the tower.

I think the initial fears were related to the understanding that a full-blown Gehry design would ruin it. IMO aside from the directive he as given, he otherwise made a remarkably subdued delivery on the facade.

This time, however, he may well be tasked with contributing to the open spaing component.

[antinimby]

I don’t know why these NY developers like Extell, Related and others, that bring in big name starchitects at first but then either value engineer and waterdown their designs (smooth out the wrinkles, straightening out the curves, removing cross bracings, etc.) essentially back to plain boxes. Central Park tower, 35 HY, Girasole, 3 WTC come to mind.

If you are going to do that, then just use SLCE or Handels from the start and save us the big initial excitement and then the eventual letdown.

[vandelay]

I'm shocked that Calatrava's reputation isn't completely trashed due to his numerous disastrous projects. And Gehry's name shouldn't hold much cachet anymore. His work has become very repetitive.

It would have been nice if they picked New York architects. The irony is that Chinese developers will hire New York architects to design whole megaprojects, and other cities are now hiring New York architects to ape their style, but they're not headlining a signature project like Hudson Yards?

[Prezrezc]

I've spoken at length about the "shrine" fustercluck that had Calatrava's name on it; but it's worth pointing out that the reason for it had nothing to do with him.

Maybe the projects these guys work on will ultimately force them to go beyond their comfort zone.

[chris08876]

Calatrava = OVERLY expensive projects.

[vandelay]

The new Calatrava church is just a minor Calatrava-linked money pit. He's seriously tarnished.

https://www.fastcodesign.com/3039658...ated-architect

https://www.theguardian.com/artandde...rchitect-spain

[gramsjdg]

I just hope Phase II is skinny towers. I am not a fan of tightly clustered bulky towers.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by gramsjdg

I just hope Phase II is skinny towers. I am not a fan of tightly clustered bulky towers.

We will need that, especially with the Spiral, 50 Hudson, and 3 Hudson all getting underway.

Originally Posted by BVictor1

8 Spruce is awesome.

It's one of the best of the new breed in the last decade or so.



All of this whining about what these architects could potentially build here - we haven't seen a rendering of what they have planned yet. Let's get a rendering, and then the whining could commence.

Anyway, about my earlier question, I think a Calatrava designed tower would most likely go in the center, SHoP desinged towers on the south, maybe Stern directly on 11th, south of the office tower. I don't see either of those firms doing the office tower. We'll see how close I am with that.




www.hudsonyardsnewyork.com

[Prezrezc]

It doesn't matter what Calatrava builds.

Thanks to Vandelay, I've been schooled on the degree of liability his presence in this collaborative effort would present.

If he's picked for sure, they'd best have him shunted to the non-highrise side of it, whatever that entails...the school, most likely. They literally can not afford give him room to dictate a price tag.

That they even considered his name for contribution to this phase of the project IMO indicates that they haven't quite grasped the big takeaway from previous experience:

You don't always get what you pay for...and if you do, make sure it's on schedule.

[NYguy]

https://www.politico.com/states/new-...-access-470061

Hudson Yards developer seeking same federal funds Gateway has struggled to access

By DANA RUBINSTEIN
06/18/2018

The Hudson Yards megaproject is pursuing a low-interest federal loan to build a platform over a chunk of the West Side rail yards, several sources told POLITICO. The platform will support millions of square feet of lucrative luxury apartments, office and retail space.

A spokesperson for the U.S. Department of Transportation, which manages the loan program, said that in October, Related submitted a draft worksheet outlining its proposal. It has yet to receive any more "formal information," the spokesperson said, but sources say discussions between Related and its potential partners remain active.

There is, however, a way in which the proposed, $13 billion tunnel project could benefit at least a little from the Related Companies’ financing scheme.

In order to qualify for the loan from the U.S. Department of Transportation, the company needs a railroad partner. For that, it has reached out to Gateway co-developer Amtrak.

In that request, Amtrak sees an opportunity, the sources said.

In exchange for its support, Amtrak wants Related’s help constructing a $440 million box under Hudson Yards to protect the right of way for the future rail tunnel from New Jersey to Penn Station.

[TechTalkGuy]

I’m sure the city could help out if additional funds are needed.
Tax breaks always help.

[NYguy]

Site plan looks intact on this model...


https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn10XU5n...-by=juansterus

[Busy Bee]

Any ideas as to what that gray wall will be composed of? It would be awesome to see some upper Manhattan looking natural stone there or massive granite blocks, something monumental is in order here.