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Old Posted Feb 1, 2022, 5:07 PM
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The Beaverton is calling out OPS inaction. When satire gets too real:



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It would have been funnier if they had ended with, “ Also, we deeply apologize to the residents of Ottawa, so following OC Transpo’s example we will be providing free police services for the month of March.”

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Remember in 2020 when Nicholas and Laurier was blocked - did the Ottawa Police Service let them stay - NO, on day 2 they moved in and arrested 12 of them... how many arrests for the shitshow that continues downtown?

If we magically replaced truckers with blacks, indigenous or muslims - situation would have been cleared by now - and not nicely.

Yesterday we saw the mayor, Diane Deans and the police chief self-congratulate themselves, pats on the back all around, high fives and the message to residents was stop tweeting, emailing, calling and sit tight.

This is a complete failure of leadership.

And I can't get an answer - but was there a protest permit issued? If not, why all the accomodations?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 1, 2022, 5:24 PM
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And I can't get an answer - but was there a protest permit issued? If not, why all the accomodations?
The initial word was that the convoy had no permit to demonstrate but i've heard they had one for only the Saturday since then. Haven't seen any confirmation, though.

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If we magically replaced truckers with blacks, indigenous or muslims - situation would have been cleared by now - and not nicely.
This is basically it, isn't it?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 1, 2022, 5:32 PM
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It has nothing to do with the fact that Nicholas St. is the main access route to the 417 to and from downtown Ottawa, I am sure.

Since yesterday I've been trying hard to cover up Peter Sloly and Jim Watson's blatant white supremacism and allyship with the truckers, but it's getting harder and harder - leaks are springing up everywhere!
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It has nothing to do with the fact that Nicholas St. is the main access route to the 417 to and from downtown Ottawa, I am sure.
That was totally worse than shutting down the Chaudière, Portage and Alexandra bridges, their approaches, the SJAM Parkway, and like half of the Central Business District.
     
     
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Are you serious? In the spring of 2020 BLM/Antifa torched and looted US cities with impunity. Remember the “Idle No More” protests where they set bonfires on railroad tracks? Probably not. Give your head a shake.
This is Canada, thank you. And yes I recall idle no more interfering with infrastructure. I also recall a heavily armed police response. You might want to give yours a shake as well.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 1, 2022, 5:58 PM
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That was totally worse than shutting down the Chaudière, Portage and Alexandra bridges, their approaches, the SJAM Parkway, and like half of the Central Business District.
On Feb. 1, 2022, I totally agree with you.

But this is not how this started out and was anticipated to unfold. Hindsight is 20/20.

If anything downplaying the potential scale of this thing (as many politicians, media types and SSPers did as late as last week) as if it would just be a handful of Billy Bobs having a tailgate party, was probably a mistake.

Not sure if that tainted the planning behind closed doors, though.
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Remember in 2020 when Nicholas and Laurier was blocked - did the Ottawa Police Service let them stay - NO, on day 2 they moved in and arrested 12 of them... how many arrests for the shitshow that continues downtown?

If we magically replaced truckers with blacks, indigenous or muslims - situation would have been cleared by now - and not nicely.

Yesterday we saw the mayor, Diane Deans and the police chief self-congratulate themselves, pats on the back all around, high fives and the message to residents was stop tweeting, emailing, calling and sit tight.

This is a complete failure of leadership.

And I can't get an answer - but was there a protest permit issued? If not, why all the accomodations?
The simple answer no one is talking about is that these people are armed with 100% legal but very deadly and hard-to-stop weapons.

It only takes one degen to get fired up on Zello and plow his company's semi through barricades or cops arresting someone. Even a very remote chance of that happening, you want to avoid.

Obviously they should be ticketing those idiots blowing horns since yesterday. But arresting them would've been wrong.
     
     
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On Feb. 1, 2022, I totally agree with you.

But this is not how this started out and was anticipated to unfold. Hindsight is 20/20.

If anything downplaying the potential scale of this thing (as many politicians, media types and SSPers did as late as last week) as if it would just be a handful of Billy Bobs having a tailgate party, was probably a mistake.

Not sure if that tainted the planning behind closed doors, though.
Reconfirming that the city has absolutely no plan for these things?

This is how it appears to residents - ALERT ALERT ALERT - big convoy of trucks coming - City of Ottawa response: sounds great - come on down, it'll be fun, we'll let you park on the QED, SJAM Pkway, downtown streets, close Queensway on-ramps, give you escorts and port-a-potties... when do you plan to leave, oh your not sure, stay as long as you like, anything else we can provide to you when here? Oh now the residents aren't too happy - let's tell them that the trucks are big and dangerous and might have guns and would be a really hard thing to get them to move. We won't give tickets or tow them because that would be a big inconvenience. HonkHonkHonkHonkHonk

Ottawa is truly a banana republic.
     
     
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Reconfirming that the city has absolutely no plan for these things?

This is how it appears to residents - ALERT ALERT ALERT - big convoy of trucks coming - City of Ottawa response: sounds great - come on down, it'll be fun, we'll let you park on the QED, SJAM Pkway, downtown streets, close Queensway on-ramps, give you escorts and port-a-potties... when do you plan to leave, oh your not sure, stay as long as you like, anything else we can provide to you when here? Oh now the residents aren't too happy - let's tell them that the trucks are big and dangerous and might have guns and would be a really hard thing to get them to move. We won't give tickets or tow them because that would be a big inconvenience. HonkHonkHonkHonkHonk

Ottawa is truly a banana republic.
Banana republic regimes tend to shoot dissenters or have the military crush rebellions.
     
     
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Asked during a Monday afternoon news conference whether police might end up clearing the protesters out, Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly said that police have "all options" on the table.

"We have seen it as much as an hour ago online, as the demonstration goes into its full fifth day — clear statements and incitements to riotous behaviour, injury, the bringing of arms and weapons into the National Capital Region, specifically in direct support of or indirect support of the range of demonstration causes and activities," he said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/how...334010?cmp=rss

So, that's the tightrope Police have been walking. It makes me wonder if this will end even in the next 5 days. Saturday is coming and hotels are booking.
     
     
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Here are 3 excerpt from the Criminal Code of Canada.
I think there is plenty enough for enforcement

Disorderly Conduct
Causing disturbance, indecent exhibition, loitering, etc.
• 175 (1) Every one who
o (a) not being in a dwelling-house, causes a disturbance in or near a public place,
 (i) by fighting, screaming, shouting, swearing, singing or using insulting or obscene language,
 (ii) by being drunk, or
 (iii) by impeding or molesting other persons,
o (b) openly exposes or exhibits an indecent exhibition in a public place,
o (c) loiters in a public place and in any way obstructs persons who are in that place, or
o (d) disturbs the peace and quiet of the occupants of a dwelling-house by discharging firearms or by other disorderly conduct in a public place or who, not being an occupant of a dwelling-house comprised in a particular building or structure, disturbs the peace and quiet of the occupants of a dwelling-house comprised in the building or structure by discharging firearms or by other disorderly conduct in any part of a building or structure to which, at the time of such conduct, the occupants of two or more dwelling-houses comprised in the building or structure have access as of right or by invitation, express or implied,
is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Nuisances
Marginal note:Common nuisance
• 180 (1) Every person is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than two years or is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction who commits a common nuisance and by doing so
o (a) endangers the lives, safety or health of the public, or
o (b) causes physical injury to any person.
• Marginal note: Definition
(2) For the purposes of this section, every one commits a common nuisance who does an unlawful act or fails to discharge a legal duty and thereby
o (a) endangers the lives, safety, health, property or comfort of the public; or
o (b) obstructs the public in the exercise or enjoyment of any right that is common to all the subjects of Her Majesty in Canada.
Mischief
Marginal note:Mischief
• 430 (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully
o (a) destroys or damages property;
o (b) renders property dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective;
o (c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or
o (d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property.
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https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../FullText.html
     
     
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So, that's the tightrope Police have been walking. It makes me wonder if this will end even in the next 5 days. Saturday is coming and hotels are booking.
It would be really good if this could be wrapped up before the weekend.

A significant proportion of the crowd on Saturday and Sunday seemed to be made up of either locals or people from within a couple of hours of Ottawa-Gatineau.

Most of them eventually went back home to their jobs and lives which is why the crowds are much smaller this week.

If there isn't anything going on next weekend most will likely stay home. But if there looks like there is still something happening, who knows how many will show up again?

There could be even more of them.
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So, that's the tightrope Police have been walking. It makes me wonder if this will end even in the next 5 days. Saturday is coming and hotels are booking.
I fully expect some to be around for weeks. But they'll be less disruptive as time goes on. Both from dwindling numbers and from enforcement.

There's a coming protest in Quebec City aiming to disrupt the start of Carnaval, so maybe some will get drawn off to that.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ival-1.6334916
     
     
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There's a coming protest in Quebec City aiming to disrupt the start of Carnaval, so maybe some will get drawn off to that.
Reminder that the fifth anniversary vigil for the victims of the Quebec City mosque attack was cancelled due to safety reasons stemming from the convoy protest. That people felt safer carrying swastikas on Parliament Hill on the fifth anniversary of that event than those saying prayers for those who were murdered for the religion they followed in Canada.
     
     
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Reminder that the fifth anniversary vigil for the victims of the Quebec City mosque attack was cancelled due to safety reasons stemming from the convoy protest. That people felt safer carrying swastikas on Parliament Hill on the fifth anniversary of that event than those saying prayers for those who were murdered for the religion they followed in Canada.
CGI just keeps getting better and better, it seems.

https://www.journaldequebec.com/2022...ee-de-quebec-1
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CGI just keeps getting better and better, it seems.
The vigil in Ottawa. Obviously.
     
     
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How do you avoid a truck protest on Wellington in the future? Build a tramway there

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Publishing date: Feb 01, 2022 • 45 minutes ago • 3 minute read


Building a rail line and banning traffic on Wellington Street is one way to avoid another truck protest in the heart of Ottawa’s Parliamentary Precinct.

The Société de transport de l’Outaouais (STO) continues to plan a tramway between west Gatineau and downtown Ottawa, via the Portage Bridge. One of the options is to build the rail line on Wellington Street and completely remove vehicular traffic from in front of the Parliament Buildings.

While traffic would be pushed to other downtown streets, restricting the ceremonial Confederation Boulevard to only pedestrians, cyclists and transit customers is an idea on the table as multiple organizations consider what’s best for the capital experience, regional transportation and security in a high-risk area.

A larger study led by the National Capital Commission is considering a transit “loop” between downtown Ottawa and Hull in the long term, with the STO tramway project being a potential first phase.

Sen. Vern White has taken an interest in the idea of a transit loop, particularly when it comes with a potential to increase security in the Parliamentary Precinct.

“Having listened to the concerns about traffic there from those who are proponents of the loop, this problem in front of Parliament Hill with these heavy-duty trucks would be alleviated if it were in place,” White said.

White said it makes little sense to have vehicles pass not only in front of the Parliament Buildings, but within metres of the Office of the Prime Minister and Privy Council across the street.

“I’ve always said that should be barricaded from Elgin Street all the way down to Bank Street,” White said. “That should be a no-go zone for vehicles. It should be foot traffic only.”

The ongoing trucker protest hasn’t prompted that thinking, but it has amplified it, White said.

A tunnel under Sparks Street is another option to bring the tramway into downtown Ottawa, but a surface tramway on Wellington Street might be the leading option, especially since it would be much cheaper than digging a second rail tunnel through downtown Ottawa.

While decreasing road congestion by getting people out of cars and into trains has been a main driver of the STO project, it has also provided an opportunity for a complete rethinking of the Parliamentary Precinct and Wellington Street.

The NCC has supported the Wellington Street option for the tramway.

Ottawa city council prefers a Sparks Street tunnel but doesn’t oppose the Wellington Street option. The City of Ottawa isn’t paying for the STO project.

The STO’s study also leaned toward the tunnel, while noting cost and technical challenges could make the Wellington Street option the optimal choice. The project is still under study.

In considering the Wellington Street option, the STO’s study has been looking at a design that would either remove vehicles east of Bank Street, or allow some car lanes.

The federal government will have influence on the final option as a major funding partner. Security around key national assets could play into the feds’ decision.

Phil Gurski, a former CSIS strategic analyst and a Distinguished Fellow in National Security at the University of Ottawa ’s Professional Development Institute, said the security threats in the Parliamentary Precinct would be constantly monitored.

Gurski described authorities’ “delicate dance” of allowing people to protest while protecting MPs and other people working on the Hill.

“The mere fact that the trucks have been there since Friday shows to me they’ve made the assessment that allowing them there is not a threat to national security or public safety,” Gurski said. “If they make a decision to open (Wellington Street) up, I think it’s because they want to get back to normalcy as soon as possible.”

The Ottawa Police Service is leading the protest enforcement, with help from other agencies, including the RCMP and OPP.

Ottawa police have allowed the protest to continue, with Chief Peter Sloly saying on Monday, “This demonstration is unique in nature, massive in scale, polarizing in context and dangerous in literally every other aspect of the event itself.”

White, a former Ottawa police chief, said police are doing exactly what they can do until the number of protestors decreases, allowing a dialogue between the two sides.

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How do you avoid a truck protest on Wellington in the future? Build a tramway there

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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...-tramway-there

I don't think this point of view is terribly well thought-out.

1) During future protests of this nature, trucks just park on adjacent streets and the pedestrian protest still occurs on Wellington Street, blocking the tramway. Voila, no more inter-provincial trams for the duration of the protest.
2) Somebody parks a truck on the tramway tracks at either end of Wellington Street, outside the bollards. No more inter-provincial trams for the duration of the protest.

At least STO buses can be routed to other streets.

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Or simply have protesters taking over the street, voila no tram running downtown. It's not like they can just plow though people.
     
     
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