New York Supertalls

[Roadcruiser1]

A modern Art Deco tower would look nothing like the Art Deco towers of the past. Mainly because engineering has changed. The Empire State Building and the Metropolitan Life North Building doesn't have a tube structure. Instead they have columns evenly distributed to all sides at every 30 feet. This method is outdated because the columns would remove a lot of precious office space, and isn't warranted today. Most modern skyscrapers have tube structures like the World Trade Center which includes the one before and after 9/11, the Sears Tower, and the John Hancock Tower. So an art deco like tower is possible (One57), but it would look severely different from the ones in the past again which is One57.

[Roadcruiser1]

Again I am not saying that 2,000 foot tall skyscraper is impossible, but in this economic situation we are in such a skyscraper won't be built. Until I see Two and Three World Trade Center, and the new Hudson Yards fully leased I don't see it happening.

[hunser]

Update: 225 West 57th Street, 1200ft+ (365,8m+), Proposed. Moved from #16 to #9 now.

This tower will probably rise to over 1,200 feet as it has about 30% more air rights than One57.
Important note: Height is not final, only an approximation. Also, there have been no renders released so far.

[Steely Dan]

i've deleted all the NYC vs. chicago BS from this thread. the next person who mentions the word "chicago" in this thread will be getting a lengthy suspension.

now back to NYC supertalls.

[THE BIG APPLE]

If you add the the never built (realistic) projects, that would've given the city SEVEN more buildings over a 1,000 feet. Chicago vs NYC should have a separate thread don't you think.

[theWatusi]

Originally Posted by THE BIG APPLE

Chicago vs NYC should have a separate thread don't you think.

NO.

End of discussion.

[hunser]

Update: Hudson Yards

South Tower: 1,017', 54 floors (formerly 996', 52 floors)
North Tower: 1292', 65 floors (formerly 1278', 64 floors)

So both towers are over 1000 feet now!

[hunser]

1,000 footers:

1. One World Trade Center, 1787ft (544,7m), Under Construction
2. 432 Park Avenue, 1420ft (432,8m), Under Construction (height not final; min: 1380ft / max: 1700ft)
3. Two World Trade Center, 1349ft (411,2m), Under Construction
4. Hudson Yards North Tower, 1292ft (393,8m), Approved
5. Empire State Building, 1250ft (381m), Completed [1,454ft (443,2m) when counting the spire]
6. 225 West 57th Street, 1250ft (381m), Site Preparation (likely to exceed 1300ft)
7. 15 Penn PLaza, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
8. One Manhattan West, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
9. Bank of America Tower, 1200ft (365,8m), Completed
10. Three World Trade Center, 1155ft (352m), Under Construction
11. Conde Nast Building, 1118ft (340,7m), Completed [when counting the spire]
12. The Girasole, 1060ft (323,1m), Approved (likely to exceed 1400ft)
13. Tower Verre, 1050ft (320m), Approved
14. Chrysler Building, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
15. New York Times Tower, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
16. Hudson Yards South Tower, 1017ft (310m), Site Preparation
17. One57, 1005ft (306,3m), Under Construction
18. Hudson Yards Mixed-used Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
19. One Hudson Yards, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Site Preparation
20. Sherwood Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
21. Madison Ave & 42nd Street, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed (likely to exceed 1400ft)



900 footers:

1. Four World Trade Center, 977ft (297,8m), Under Construction
2. American International Building, 952ft (290,2m), Completed
3. Bloomberg Tower, 941ft (286,6m), Completed [when counting the spire]
4. One Madison Avenue, 937ft (285,6m), Proposed
5. Two Manhattan West, 935ft (285m), Approved
6. 40 Wall Street, 927ft (282,6m), Completed
7. Citigroup Center, 915ft (278,9m), Completed
8. 30 Park Place, 912ft (278m), Under Construction (currently on hold)



800 footers:

1. Beekman Tower, 891ft (271,6m), Completed
2. Trump World Tower, 861ft (262,4m), Completed
3. Port Authority Bus Terminal Tower, 856ft (261m), Approved
4. GE Building, 850ft (259,1m), Completed
5. 56 Leonard Street, 821ft (250,2m), Under Construction (currently on hold)
6. Cityspire Center, 814ft (248,1m), Completed
7. One Chase Manhattan Plaza, 813ft (247,8m), Completed
8. Met Life Building, 808ft (246,3m), Completed
9. Hudson Yards Residential Tower, 800ft+ (243,8m+), Proposed


700 footers:

1. Woolworth Building, 792ft (241m), Completed
2. 1 Worldwide Plaza, 778ft (237m), Completed
3. Carnegie Hall Tower, 757ft (231m), Completed
4. 383 Madison Avenue, 755ft (230m), Completed
5. 1715 Broadway, 753ft (230m), Under Construction
6. AXA Center, 752ft (229m), Completed
7. One Penn Plaza, 750ft (229m), Completed
8. 1251 Avenue of the Americas , 750ft (229m), Completed
9. Time Warner Center North Tower, 749ft (228m), Completed
10. Time Warner Center South Tower, 749ft (228m), Completed
11. Goldman Sachs Headquarters, 749ft (228m), Completed
12. 60 Wall Street, 745ft (227m), Completed
13. One Astor Plaza, 745ft (227m), Completed
14. 1 Liberty Plaza, 743ft (226m), Completed
15. 20 Exchange Place, 741ft (226m), Completed
16. 7 World Trade Center, 741ft (226m), Completed
17. Three World Financial Center, 739ft (225m), Completed
18. Bertelsmann Building, 733ft (223m), Completed
19. Times Square Tower, 726ft (221m), Completed
20. Metropolitan Tower, 716ft (218m), Completed
21. 250 East 57th Street, 715ft (218m), Under Construction
22. 50 West Street, 714ft (218m), Under Construction (currently on hold)
23. 610 Lexington Avenue, 712ft (217m), Under Construction (currently on hold)
24. Nobu Hotel and Residences, 709ft (216m), Approved
25. JPMorganChase Tower, 707ft (216m), Completed
26. General Motors Building, 705ft (215m), Completed
27. Metropolitan Life Tower, 700ft (213m), Completed
28. 5 World Trade Center, 700ft+ (213m+), Approved


600 footers:

1. 500 Fifth Avenue, 697ft (212m), Completed
2. 107 West 57th Street, 697ft (212m), Proposed
3. Americas Tower, 692ft (211m), Completed
4. Solow Building, 689ft (210m), Completed
5. HSBC Bank Building, 688ft (210m), Completed
6. 55 Water Street, 687ft (209m), Completed
7. 277 Park Avenue, 687ft (209m), Completed
8. 1585 Broadway, 685ft (209m), Completed
9. Random House Tower, 684ft (208m), Completed
10. Four Seasons Hotel, 682ft (208m), Completed
11. McGraw-Hill Building, 674ft (205m), Completed
12. Lincoln Building, 673ft (205m), Completed
13. Citicorp Building, 673ft (205m), Completed
14. Barclay Tower, 673ft (205m), Completed
15. Paramount Plaza, 670ft (204m), Completed
16. 440 West 42nd Street, 669ft (204m), Completed
17. Trump Tower, 664ft (202m), Completed
18. 514 11th Avenue, 656ft+ (200m+), Proposed
19. ...
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56. ...

In total: 56 buildings


500 footers:

120 buildings+

[jd3189]

Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1

Again I am not saying that 2,000 foot tall skyscraper is impossible, but in this economic situation we are in such a skyscraper won't be built. Until I see Two and Three World Trade Center, and the new Hudson Yards fully leased I don't see it happening.

They will. It will take time, but once people realize that the WTC is reappearing in the skyline,they will wonder what else is happening. Dramatic things need to happen in the city to raise up interest and then demand.

[THE BIG APPLE]

Yeah and the city seems to listen to non skyscraper knowing people who spend their whole day inside (nimbys). So when they're happy, then the city might start seeing some change.

[hunser]

Update / New additions:

Hudson Yards Mixed-used Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
Hudson Yards Residential Tower, 800ft+ (243,8m+), Proposed
Nobu Tower, 709ft (216,1m), Approved
107 West 57th Street, 697ft (212,5m), Proposed

[hunser]

Pretty soon supertalls will be popping up all over the city...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/bloo...sEnabled=false

Bloomberg is fast-tracking a plan to knock down obsolete buildings near Grand Central
Idea is to raze smaller structures to make way for modern office towers

RACING TO put his stamp on midtown before his third term expires, Mayor Bloomberg’s administration is fast-tracking a plan to transform the zoning near Grand Central Terminal. The objective is to allow for developers to knock down aging, too-small-for-the-big-time buildings and construct ultramodern towers — the bigger, the better.

“This is something that Bloomberg would like to finish before leaving office,” said a leading business official who was told about the plan but asked not to be identified because its specifics have yet to be formally proposed. “This would be a linchpin of his legacy.”

The existing rezoning, enacted in 1961, does not set a height maximum for buildings, but they generally top out anywhere from 20 to 50 stories, with a few exceptions, including the Chrysler Building, which has 77 floors. Under the proposal, developers would likely have the ability to go as high as the Chrysler Building if they have the real estate for a large base. “That would increase the average building size by 20% to 30%,” one city zoning expert said, also requesting anonymity.

City officials and real estate insiders say the area — known in planning circles as the “Midtown core” — sorely needs updating. The average age of each office building is 68 years, multiple developers who have been briefed by the city said. Buildings in London’s downtown are slightly younger, having been built about 60 years ago, they said, but there is no comparison with Hong Kong, 20 years; and Shanghai, 10 years.

“In order for the city to be competitive globally, we need a lot more new construction,” said Robert Knakal, chairman of Massey Knakal Realty Services. “If you look at the skyline of New York compared to some other cities, you see we are not what we once were.”

... and to quote a fellow forumer:

Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280

I mean NYC will have gone from a 500' plateau to a 700' Plateau and now a 1000' plateau of buildings over about 100 years...

[Sky88]

Originally Posted by RobertWalpole

If Bloomberg's proposed re-zoning of Midtown East occurs, 300m towers will be everywhere:

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2012/0...l_terminal.php

Fun With Urban Planning
Bloomberg Pushing for Rezoning Near Grand Central Terminal
Monday, April 16, 2012, by Sara Polsky
Share on email0As Mayor Bloomberg's third term draws to a close, the administration is pushing for a rezoning of the Grand Central neighborhood while it still has the chance. The rezoning would encompass the area between Fifth and Third avenues and East 39th and East 59th streets. It "would be a linchpin of [Bloomberg's] legacy," one unnamed business official tells the Daily News, and it would also have significant implications for Grand Central-area development. Such as?

If the rezoning went through as Bloomberg imagines, it would allow area developers to build up to the height of the Chrysler Building, which one city zoning expert says would make buildings around Grand Central an average of 20 percent to 30 percent larger. A city planning spokesperson says only that the administration is considering the plan now and that it will take a few months to finalize. In the meantime, fantasy renderings of a taller Midtown welcomed to the Curbed inbox.

Years ago, Donald Trump wanted to build a 1.500 ft office tower to the place of the U.S. Post Office-450 Lexington Avenue. The plan was died, but i think that a similar tower could will be a good solution for Grand Central-area development.

[Zapatan]

300m towers already will be everywhere soon enough, how about some 4-500 meter towers?

[jd3189]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

300m towers already will be everywhere soon enough, how about some 4-500 meter towers?

Nice, but where exactly would these towers be located?

[Duck From NY]

Originally Posted by RobertWalpole

If Bloomberg's proposed re-zoning of Midtown East occurs, 300m towers will be everywhere:

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2012/0...l_terminal.php

Fun With Urban Planning
Bloomberg Pushing for Rezoning Near Grand Central Terminal
Monday, April 16, 2012, by Sara Polsky
Share on email0As Mayor Bloomberg's third term draws to a close, the administration is pushing for a rezoning of the Grand Central neighborhood while it still has the chance. The rezoning would encompass the area between Fifth and Third avenues and East 39th and East 59th streets. It "would be a linchpin of [Bloomberg's] legacy," one unnamed business official tells the Daily News, and it would also have significant implications for Grand Central-area development. Such as?

If the rezoning went through as Bloomberg imagines, it would allow area developers to build up to the height of the Chrysler Building, which one city zoning expert says would make buildings around Grand Central an average of 20 percent to 30 percent larger. A city planning spokesperson says only that the administration is considering the plan now and that it will take a few months to finalize. In the meantime, fantasy renderings of a taller Midtown welcomed to the Curbed inbox.

Good! we can't have all the new talls and supertalls on the West side.

[reencharles]

It would be nice to have something like this in this area (with this rezoning).

The Amazing Spider Man


Avengers


Images taken from the trailer... I saw those scenes, and the first thing I thought was that it would be nice to have something like that in the city.

[hunser]

A great day for New York. 1WTC has finally surpassed the ESB and is now the tallest skycraper in the city.

Btw the new Batman trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid...&v=m5VDDJlsD6I
Featuring some NY skyline shots...

[hunser]

Small update:
225 West 57th Street, 1200ft+ (365,8m+), Proposed
NOW
225 West 57th Street, 1250ft (381m), Proposed (likely to exceed 1300ft)

[FTP]

As I recall the original Twin Towers had a lot of politics as well. Design was always secondary to the decision-makers. But I guess every tower has a lot of this.

I hope they make it as tall as possible because something tells me it'll be the last NY super-tower we'll see in our lifetimes.

Chicago is much friendlier to tower construction nowadays. Miami is the best.

To reiterate, NYC is a very poor place to build super towers. Because the taxes and cost of living are too high, most companies don't see the benefit of over-paying employees. The property values, ancient infrastructure, urban politics is a deterrent to more and more companies choosing the outskirts for the location of corporate headquarters. This WTC is a public relations disaster in this perspective.

I remember when Trump was building a tower and like a million people protested it because "it blocks the view of other towers". Ridiculous! See: Seattle "manhattanization" and the result on Seattle construction rates...