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I couldn’t read the full article, but it did say about 1.1 msf of office space, as well as a luxury lifestyle hotel and a micro hotel, and a retail gallery.
Thanks. Apparently, then, there's not a gigantic office component that would require a huge anchor commitment. In this market, that's small enough to build on spec.
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It's a shame that Javits was expanded. It would have been nice to move it to LIC and to make a huge park on the site with condos interspersed.
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Thanks. Apparently, then, there's not a gigantic office component that would require a huge anchor commitment. In this market, that's small enough to build on spec.
It's right by Javits and Hudson Yards with great views of the river, access the subway at HY, and it's close to the Highline (and will be closer once the Highline is expanded north) so it should be fine on the Hotel and House front.
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Thanks. Apparently, then, there's not a gigantic office component that would require a huge anchor commitment. In this market, that's small enough to build on spec.
They specifically mentioned that the office space would be for the naacp so I would think that would be enough
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They specifically mentioned that the office space would be for the naacp so I would think that would be enough
I think that the NAACP recently moved its HQ from Baltimore to DC, so it wouldn't be the national HQ -- just the NY branch. I can't imagine that takes up too much space. Anyway, roughly 1m sf shouldn't require an anchor tenant commitment.
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It's a shame that Javits was expanded. It would have been nice to move it to LIC and to make a huge park on the site with condos interspersed.
That will happen eventually. Javits was renovated, with a very small expansion.

The larger expansion was scrapped, bc ESDC anticipates Javits not lasting much longer. Sunnyside Yards is the most likely location for the next iteration of Javits.
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That will happen eventually. Javits was renovated, with a very small expansion.

The larger expansion was scrapped, bc ESDC anticipates Javits not lasting much longer. Sunnyside Yards is the most likely location for the next iteration of Javits.
Hopefully, it will be gone in twenty years. I agree re: Sunnyside.
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1,500-ft tower by David Adjaye proposed for Hudson Yards





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The first RFP has been submitted for a Hudson Yards-area complex that would stand 1,500-feet tall, which would make it one of the tallest buildings in New York City.

The site, which is owned by New York Convention Center Development Corporation, is across from the Javits Center. The proposal calls for two hotels on the site, as well as an observation deck, an ice skating rink and commercial office space, which would be used to house the headquarters of the NAACP in the future.
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1,500-Foot Tall Tower By David Adjaye Revealed As Part Of RFP Submission For 418 11th Avenue, In Hudson Yards







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While concrete details remain unconfirmed, the first Request for Proposal (RFP) submission for the site of a future supertall north of Related Companies’ Hudson Yards complex has now been unveiled. The ground-up 1,500-foot tall building would become one of the tallest towers in New York City by both architectural and roof height, on the site of the former Hudson Spire proposal. Sir David Adjaye of Adjaye Associates is the architect, while developers include Deryl McKissick, The Peebles Corporation, Exact Capital Group, and the Witkoff Group. The envisioned master plan would sit on a 1.2-acre lot, dubbed “Site K,” at 418 11th Avenue, bound by West 35th and West 36th Street, Hudson Boulevard West, and 11th Avenue.

Below is a rendering looking south at the edifice that has a prominent series of stepped cantilevers on the western elevation. The floor plates gradually increase in multi-level increments with the largest set being on the very last rectangular volume. It also looks like there will be a protected landscaped outdoor rooftop terrace, as well as another atop the podium.

The plans call for a total of two hotels, an observation deck, a skating rink, and commercial office space that includes a future headquarters space for the NAACP. The team expect this massive undertaking to employ 30,000 New Yorkers over the course of six years, create 15,000 permanent jobs, generate over $5 billion in new tax revenue for New York City and New York state over a 30-year period. 418 11th Avenue would become a major part in the state of New York’s $51 billion investment into constructing, redeveloping, upgrading, and investing in this section of Midtown, Manhattan’s infrastructure, commercial, retail and residential potential.

An outdoor terrace is shown to have planting, water features, and decorative railings, while these spaces are double-height areas framed by glass curtain walls and bronze-colored mullions.
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Skyscraper Proposed For Long-Vacant Hell's Kitchen Lot: See It
A 1,500-foot skyscraper by star architect David Adjaye could be built on 11th Avenue—but may include no housing, as residents had requested.






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A skyscraper, two hotels and a street-level promenade could be built on a lot near the Javits Center that is being redeveloped after sitting empty for years, according to a newly unveiled proposal.

In addition to the skyscraper, the project will include a new headquarters for the mid-Manhattan branch of the NAACP, two hotels, an observation deck and a skating rink, as well as commercial office space, the developers say.

The development materials make no mention of residential units, however — an omission that could run up against the preferences of Community Board 4, which has asked for affordable housing to be built there. The state acknowledged that request when it issued the RFP in March.

The state has said that proposed developments for Site K could be entirely commercial, or a mix of commercial and residential.
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It's a shame that Javits was expanded. It would have been nice to move it to LIC and to make a huge park on the site with condos interspersed.
Yes, years ago, LUC had a large amount of empty or lightly used space, and it would have been just as convenient to Manhattan. Maybe they will be able to build on top of Javits in the future, like they are doing with the rail yards.
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Yes, years ago, LUC had a large amount of empty or lightly used space, and it would have been just as convenient to Manhattan. Maybe they will be able to build on top of Javits in the future, like they are doing with the rail yards.
I think that there are still a lot of places to put it in LIC, including over the Sunnyside Yards.
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Peebles Corp. and partners unveil bid to build skyscraper on site next to Javits Center


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………..The developers on Wednesday unveiled their bid to build a 1,500-foot-tall skyscraper, which would be among the tallest buildings in Manhattan. What's more, they said, if chosen, theirs would be the first skyscraper in the city built by a majority-Black development team.

The team said it will be presenting its proposal to the state's economic development arm, Empire State Development, on Thursday.
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ESD in March issued a request for proposals, seeking plans to develop the site for commercial or mixed use. A spokesperson for ESD on Wednesday said the agency has started reviewing the proposals it has received, but ESD does not discuss active procurement processes.

This development team includes:

-The Peebles Corp., a privately-held national real estate investor and developer with a portfolio of active and completed projects totaling more than 10 million square feet and $8 billion.

-Architect David Adjaye of Adjaye Associates, who designed the National Museum of African American History and Culture in Washington, D.C.

-McKissack & McKissack, which says it is the oldest minority- and women-owned design construction company in the U.S.

-Exact Capital, a real estate development firm based in New York.

-Real estate investor Steven Witkoff, founder of the Witkoff Group.
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The skyscraper they're proposing, called "Affirmation Tower," would include a luxury lifestyle hotel and a microhotel; 1.1 million square feet of office space; an observation deck; a retail promenade at the ground level; and a community event space and the mid-Manhattan branch of the NAACP.

The project's pitch, in a way, flips the script on the usual New York state contracting requirements for minority- and women-owned business enterprises, or MWBEs, because MWBEs are leading this project, said Donahue Peebles III, chief of staff at The Peebles Corp.
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The site caught the team's attention because of its location, Peebles said, east of the main entrance to the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center.

While the Javits Center is one of the busiest convention centers in the country, its location between the West Side Highway and 11th Avenue — and next to the Lincoln Tunnel — has left it somewhat cut off from much of the rest of the city.

"The surrounding neighborhood doesn't necessarily offer the same amenities that you would expect surrounding the convention center," Peebles said. "It's one of the few convention centers that I can think of that doesn't have a hospitality component that's complementary to it."

That's where Peebles and his partners saw a chance to fill the needs of the area, while also building something that could help New York recover from the economic turmoil caused by the pandemic.
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” We're able to solve a meaningful location-based problem which is, 'If I have an event at the Javits Center, where am I staying?' As a consequence, when that question is answered, there will be so many more events that come to the Javits Center," he said.

"Meaningfully, and probably what ultimately drove us to the site, is that it's a bet on New York City," Peebles added. "When we thought of our building, we said, 'How can we bet on New York, and more importantly, what can we do to help lift New York out of this valley?'"

That's when they came up with creating 500 hotel keys, to generate tax revenue and create union jobs; building office space to attract new businesses to New York and keep other companies here; adding an observation deck as a tourist attraction; and turning the ground-level space into a retail promenade, open to the public.
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This pretty much reminds me of the Spire (now as Hudson Spiral).

I thought this skyscraper replaced 3 Hudson Blvd, but right next to it. Jeez, that building gotta have some space.
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That will happen eventually. Javits was renovated, with a very small expansion.

The larger expansion was scrapped, bc ESDC anticipates Javits not lasting much longer. Sunnyside Yards is the most likely location for the next iteration of Javits.
Thats right and when the Sunnyside Yards mega development does happen not only should it hold the city's premier covention center and a shit ton of new housing, but also coincide with some serious transport investments including that super-express Queens Blvd bypass that was supposed to be built 50 years ago.
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Thats right and when the Sunnyside Yards mega development does happen not only should it hold the city's premier covention center and a shit ton of new housing, but also coincide with some serious transport investments including that super-express Queens Blvd bypass that was supposed to be built 50 years ago.
MSG should also go there or near Yankee Stadium.
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1500ft+ is going to be the standard soon. I love the Twin Towers 21st century vibe. Now make this building 100% straight, build another and pop them downtown please near a certain spot.
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MSG should also go there or near Yankee Stadium.
We're probably going to disagree on MSG. An entertainment/sports venue is a different animal than a convention center and probably should be at the crossroads of town and as I've mentioned many times should have a future over the PABT and tunnel spaghetti. I see zero strategic benefit to locating next to or near a baseball stadium in the Bronx.
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Folks, the Javits to Sunnyside aint happening. Leave that discussion for somewhere else.

Yeah, 1,500 ft is becoming a mark, but at least they would be somewhat spread out. This would be right next to 3 Hudson, and bordering the other towers of similar height, but would stand a head above the rest in a way 30 Hudson can’t, thanks to the extra height. And there’s still the second phase of the railyard to be built, with Gehry, Calatrava, and Stern. When all is said and done, the Hudson Yards might be the greatest collection of modern towers in the City.
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