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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut
The 222’s got six stops: Metrotown, BCIT, Brentwood, Hastings, Kootenay, Phibbs. Ten minus six is four other stations for the North Shore, so it would appear that madog is correct, unless TransLink opts to pencil in more stations overall.
To get from Edgemont to Lynn, you take West Queens, then 29th; swap the parking lanes for bus lanes, and then there’s your arterial. Knocking out a four-lane East Queens Road through suburbia just to have it fill up on opening day is a non-starter.
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W Queen is not connected to W 29th, meaning you have to make 2 turns to get onto Edgemont, which is not good for capacity.
SoF is building more east-west routes through its suburbs for the same reason.
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Give the TCH or any arterial on the North Shore two more lanes, and that’s less than 20k vehicles’ worth of capacity; you get maybe a week’s worth of smoother flow, then everybody finds out about the new shortcut, and traffic’s stuck again. A SkyTrain would add six highway lanes’ worth of capacity to Marine/3rd/Main and remove 50k-60k drivers from the road network in Year 1, which in turn frees up space on the TCH and all the arterials and side streets, providing room to run more buses.
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Except the TCH and arterials are more convenient overall than Marine if you're going east-west.
Marine is at the southernmost part of the region, with a lower catchment area due to being on the coast, limiting its usefulness for east-west transfers or as an 'anchor' to the rest of the bus network.
Combine this with the low existing bus usage, and a 'best bus' scenario with a complete arterial road network across the entire region may improve congestion more
overall, despite Marine itself being slower.
This is what the current near-term plans for NS seem to be.
tldr: NS needs a
bus grid first - then maybe a SkyTrain.
Upper Levels is also planned to get shoulder bus lanes, which might help a bit in this aspect, especially to get to the rest of the region (similar to 555 for Langley).
Park Royal <> Hastings is only 13 min in good traffic via Upper Levels.
If they get full center-lane HOV, it would be even better.
North Shore Connects is focusing on both for a reason- and will probably get the road grid faster and cheaper, considering Marine isn't even in Transport 2050 as grade-separated, as I pointed out before.
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The North Shore’s been trying to solve their traffic through road expansion for decades and all they’ve gotten is more traffic, so now they want to stop moving cars and start moving people.
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NS has the worst case of spaghetti roads in Metro Vancouver outside Silver Valley.
That's partially the inclined elevation, but also a case of bad planning.
Coquitlam was at least smart enough to build David Ave.
Remember: the disconnected arterial road network impacts
all forms of transportation, not just cars.
The concept of arterial road grids
predates widespread automobile usage, because it was useful for
streetcars, not cars.