Calgary Stoney Trail [Ring Road]

[davee930]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

What do you mean by overengineered?

It's massive in every way and it's pretty much straight... How much room do these shitty drivers need? Increase the speed limits and make driving tests harder! Make emergency and winter driving courses mandatory

[yakra]

Made edits to OSM in the Sarcee-69 corridor. It's still going to take a while till it fully shows up at all zoom levels.

Originally Posted by yakra

69 St interchange:
The westward diversion and at-grade intersection that OSM shows, I assume was just temporary for construction and is gone now, with the direct alignment & bridge (still shown as proposed/under construction) now open.

Originally Posted by mykie

Maybe. There was supposed to be a big change there on sunday. They've been way off on their advertised dates for traffic changes.

Originally Posted by yakra

Looks like I was wrong; that big change would be this one, which will be in place until October 1st.
So it looks like the bridge is not 100% in service yet, and the at-grade diversion is still in use...

Originally Posted by mykie

This is my understanding as well.

Oh man. Context. I think I misinterpreted the other advisory -- "Discovery Ridge Boulevard connection to and from Highway 8 will be realigned". This I now assume means, "switching from the gradual westerly curve to the new ~90° jct of the thru road & future ramps".

Someone else just recently edited the 69 St interchange, redrawing the geometry on the S side (consistent with the 9/18 advisory) & removing the at-grade connection to the north side (consistent with the bridge being open as per the 8/21 advisory?)
Taken together, I find these advisories, if not contradictory or inconsistent, confusing at least.
If the bridge is open, why depict traffic leaving Discovery Ridge turning left?

Hope I got things (more or less) right.
Oops, I did leave traffic signals in place on EB Stoney at the temporary Discovery Ridge connection. But at this point I'm just unconfident enough in my edits that I'm OK with leaving details that will make it easier for the next person to revert or fix them.
The same user marked the WB 22X -> NB Macload ramp closed again; it appears they're going by the traffic advisories rather than the (presumably) latest on-the-ground info such as in this thread. We'll see how long the edits last, and what form they take...

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Originally Posted by mykie

That sign doesn't look permanent though so I'm not sure.

Most certainly the case. The video looked like it was shot WB on the future EB carriageway.

[Mykie]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

This thread just went down the crapper.

Hope you are happy, new guy!!!

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Originally Posted by davee930

It's massive in every way and it's pretty much straight... How much room do these shitty drivers need? Increase the speed limits and make driving tests harder! Make emergency and winter driving courses mandatory

To clarify, I fully agree with higher speed limits and harder driving tests. That said, the advantage of having high level infrastructure built to very conservative design standards is that speed limits can easily be raised in the future if any of those things are ever in place. When collision avoidance or whatever new fancy tech comes along, SWRR is now a great candidate to test higher limits on or whatever might be the case.

Originally Posted by yakra

Made edits to OSM in the Sarcee-69 corridor. It's still going to take a while till it fully shows up at all zoom levels.

Great work on OSM!

[Pegasus]

Drove from SB James McKevitt onto Stoney Trail this morning. The only signage was several hundred metres from the the intersection. It was one of those portable electronic billboards with many of the bulbs not working. Hard to read, switching from one page to another, and located where you are crossing the median from one carriageway to another, so basically unreadable. There were absolutely no signs where you turn off onto Stoney rail, either WB (before the bridge) or EB (after the bridge). No wonder that poor woman was so confused last week, perhaps resulting in the horrific crash.

WHY IS THERE NO PROPER SIGNAGE AT THIS INTERSECTION? (Temporary or otherwise).

Even the Mayor said during the press conference at the Bow River bridge announcement that the signage on the Stoney Trail construction was bad and that he had got lost! SO WHY HAS NOTHING BEEN DONE? (Or are they waiting for another accident)?

[milomilo]

Originally Posted by sammyd

Leave the modding to moderators. Thanks for killing the thread.

There are no moderators. Corndogger had a hissy fit and took his ball and went home, after someone made a totally fair comment. No loss. If you want the pictures, they're all still on the website.

[ggopher]

Originally Posted by Pegasus

Drove from SB James McKevitt onto Stoney Trail this morning. The only signage was several hundred metres from the the intersection. It was one of those portable electronic billboards with many of the bulbs not working. Hard to read, switching from one page to another, and located where you are crossing the median from one carriageway to another, so basically unreadable. There were absolutely no signs where you turn off onto Stoney rail, either WB (before the bridge) or EB (after the bridge). No wonder that poor woman was so confused last week, perhaps resulting in the horrific crash.

WHY IS THERE NO PROPER SIGNAGE AT THIS INTERSECTION? (Temporary or otherwise).

Even the Mayor said during the press conference at the Bow River bridge announcement that the signage on the Stoney Trail construction was bad and that he had got lost! SO WHY HAS NOTHING BEEN DONE? (Or are they waiting for another accident)?

There was a fatal accident at this exact spot. So looks like the SWCRR team has fixed the issue. They posted an advisory, “don’t do upturns’. Problem solved....
http://www.swcrrproject.com/2020/09/28/u-turn-advisory/

[Mazrim]

The blame for the poor detour conditions and signage doesn't just fall on the contractor, as the province has been letting too much go in their approvals. As someone who lives in the South and has been driving the detours regularly, it feels like the fatality was inevitable. Hopefully it's something they correct immediately. That little notice about U-Turns is not the answer.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Mykie

To clarify, I fully agree with higher speed limits and harder driving tests. That said, the advantage of having high level infrastructure built to very conservative design standards is that speed limits can easily be raised in the future if any of those things are ever in place. When collision avoidance or whatever new fancy tech comes along, SWRR is now a great candidate to test higher limits on or whatever might be the case.

You seem to be working in the industry or at least have some knowledge of the engineering involved, so humor me by looking at the Alberta Transportation and TAC road design guidelines, then Schedule 18. You'll see some large departures in design values in Schedule 18 as well as the requirement to be barrier-free, all which makes the road feel like you can drive much faster than you should. They say 110 km/h design speed for the mainline, but there are design features that imply a much higher design speed. It's theoretically in the name of safety but has the adverse effect of a very high 85th percentile operating speed.

Roads aren't supposed to be designed so the speed limit can be changed later. You can of course peel away the safety factor between design speed and posted speed like BC has done on many highways, but you don't enter a project with that in mind down the road.

[OzzyCalgary]

Took a picture from the new Anderson pedestrian overpass, shows how massive the space is between directional traffic

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by OzzyCalgary

Took a picture from the new Anderson pedestrian overpass, shows how massive the space is between directional traffic

Thanks for posting that photo.

Do you have any idea why that one stretch of pavement on that one lane looks so new compared to the adjacent lanes?

[Pegasus]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

Anyway, thanks for the insinuation that I'm dishonest!

Dishonest - I don't think so. The insinuation was definitely below the belt.

However the rules of the Forum are quite clear:

"When posting images in the forum which are not your own you are required to provide credit to the originating website of each image. . . . When posting multiple images originating from the same source it is acceptable to give credit just once at the top of the list of images". Can we just give Corndogger a mild slap on the wrist and move on?

[Pegasus]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

Do you have any idea why that one stretch of pavement on that one lane looks so new compared to the adjacent lanes?

It looks to me from the photo that the darker lane is still awaiting its final layer of asphalt.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by Pegasus

It looks to me from the photo that the darker lane is still awaiting its final layer of asphalt.

If that stretch of road opens later this week I'll have to take a drive down there on the weekend as I haven't seen that area since they started work back in 2017.

[OzzyCalgary]

Originally Posted by Pegasus

It looks to me from the photo that the darker lane is still awaiting its final layer of asphalt.

Bingo. That few hundred meter stretch is still not done for some reason. Looks like nice smooth finished pavement everywhere else though.

[OzzyCalgary]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

If that stretch of road opens later this week I'll have to take a drive down there on the weekend as I haven't seen that area since they started work back in 2017.

I live by the Anderson interchange and it’s been incredible watching the progress they made over the past few years (and watching the community group/C4RRO complain about everything) Cool even doing the limited drive from Anderson to Fish Creek.

[Corndogger]

Originally Posted by OzzyCalgary

I live by the Anderson interchange and it’s been incredible watching the progress they made over the past few years (and watching the community group/C4RRO complain about everything) Cool even doing the limited drive from Anderson to Fish Creek.

Who are what is C4RRO? I've never heard of them before.

I live about 5 to 10 minutes from the Glenmore/Sarcee/etc. interchange complex. What a difference! The area will be so much safer especially for those heading west to 69 Street and beyond.

[OzzyCalgary]

Originally Posted by Corndogger

Who are what is C4RRO? I've never heard of them before.

Communities 4 Ring Road Optimization - they have a FB group you can check out too, but basically a lot of NIMBYs that back on to the ring road who have semi organized to complain about the ring road. They have even hired a lawyer to sue the province for perceived losses. I signed up for their email list, and will try and take some screenshots here soon.

[milomilo]

Originally Posted by OzzyCalgary

Communities 4 Ring Road Optimization - they have a FB group you can check out too, but basically a lot of NIMBYs that back on to the ring road who have semi organized to complain about the ring road. They have even hired a lawyer to sue the province for perceived losses. I signed up for their email list, and will try and take some screenshots here soon.

It's hilarious that they think they will have any success. I wonder how much they spent on the lawyer?

[OzzyCalgary]

Originally Posted by milomilo

It's hilarious that they think they will have any success. I wonder how much they spent on the lawyer?

They were doing a cash call from everyone and said it was $20k (I believe) just to hire a lawyer to do research on the case

[Porfiry]

It's happening!

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-new...-fish-creek-boulevard-to-open-to-traffic