ATLANTA | Development Thread V - Page 392

atlantaguy · #**7821** Posted **Jul 27, 2013, 9:44 PM**

^From the looks of the complex, that sounds pretty accurate to me Alfred.

MIRYDI · #**7822** Posted **Jul 27, 2013, 9:53 PM**

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Cox Tower II Under Construction in the Perimeter

Atlanta impressive as always...

Sharkey · #**7823** Posted **Jul 27, 2013, 10:11 PM**

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Atlanta impressive as always...

Yep. Atlanta rarely disappoints.

atlantaguy · #**7824** Posted **Jul 27, 2013, 10:11 PM**

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Atlanta impressive as always...

So is Nashville these days! You guys seem to be flying high right now.

delarosa · #**7825** Posted **Jul 27, 2013, 10:59 PM**

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BUT, since we happen to be the home of one the largest and most prominent Edge Cities in the U.S., I am excited to see it become more dense and urban. It's not going away, and thankfully we have heavy rail out there. MARTA has to be a huge factor in its continued growth and success.

I will also give them some props. I work in the area and contacted the Perimeter CID about a timing issue at a crosswalk. I think it was all of 48 hours until the issue was resolved.

arjay57 · #**7826** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 12:39 AM**

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BUT, since we happen to be the home of one the largest and most prominent Edge Cities in the U.S., I am excited to see it become more dense and urban. It's not going away, and thankfully we have heavy rail out there. MARTA has to be a huge factor in its continued growth and success.

With 30 million sf of Class A office space the Perimeter would have to be one of the largest cities in the southeast.

I agree that their MARTA stations are a major boost. Straight shot to the airport.

bryantm3 · #**7827** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 12:55 AM**

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Nice! It is astonishing how quickly the Perimeter has urbanized.

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WOW at the Cox expansion! I haven't been out that way in over a year.

Perimeter is definitely urbanizing, with much more to come. State Farm is going to be the next big catalyst, and I'm really hoping they anchor the proposed High Street across from the Dunwoody Station.

And before anyone says anything, this takes nothing away from the fact that I wish ALL of this was happening ITP.

BUT, since we happen to be the home of one the largest and most prominent Edge Cities in the U.S., I am excited to see it become more dense and urban. It's not going away, and thankfully we have heavy rail out there. MARTA has to be a huge factor in its continued growth and success.

baruch hashem that it didn't happen ITP. that campus is the exact opposite of "urban", it has no ground level retail, sits on a parkway designed for car access only. it looks like an exact replica of the cingular buildings off of westside parkway in alpharetta, if you added 10 floors. tall does not equal urban!

TothebackofPhipps · #**7828** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 1:04 AM**

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baruch hashem that it didn't happen ITP. that campus is the exact opposite of "urban", it has no ground level retail, sits on a parkway designed for car access only. it looks like an exact replica of the cingular buildings off of westside parkway in alpharetta, if you added 10 floors. tall does not equal urban!

Maybe not urban, but it certainly is adding density. I always thought density = urban.

bigstick · #**7829** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 1:15 AM**

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baruch hashem that it didn't happen ITP. that campus is the exact opposite of "urban", it has no ground level retail, sits on a parkway designed for car access only. it looks like an exact replica of the cingular buildings off of westside parkway in alpharetta, if you added 10 floors. tall does not equal urban!

I have to agree, although it looks good and it is impressive. It has nothing to do for people other than the ones who work there or their visitors. Meaning "public" is not welcome.............

whiterabbit · #**7830** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 1:27 AM**

What Cox are doing is not really urban to me. Can't even safely walk to their campus from Dunwoody Marta without risking getting run over. I just cannot fathom how there can be empty lots by the Marta yet they get zoning to build this.

Frankster87 · #**7831** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 2:22 AM**

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Maybe not urban, but it certainly is adding density. I always thought density = urban.

Density definitely enhances the urban experience, but I wouldn't call the two the same. If this building were going up in Midtown, it would face a different set of zoning requirments.

arjay57 · #**7832** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 2:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by bryantm3

baruch hashem that it didn't happen ITP. that campus is the exact opposite of "urban", it has no ground level retail, sits on a parkway designed for car access only. it looks like an exact replica of the cingular buildings off of westside parkway in alpharetta, if you added 10 floors. tall does not equal urban!

Granted it doesn't have ground floor retail. But the sidewalks and streetscapes there are pretty good and it's a short walk to a zillion stores and restaurants.

scania · #**7833** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 3:22 AM**

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I have to agree, although it looks good and it is impressive. It has nothing to do for people other than the ones who work there or their visitors. Meaning "public" is not welcome.............

Public is not welcome??? I am apart of the public, and as a resident of Midtown, I feel just as welcomed there, just as I feel welcome in O4W, Downtown, Buckhead, etc. You people kill me. Hahahahahaha

scania · #**7834** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 3:28 AM**

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Granted it doesn't have ground floor retail. But the sidewalks and streetscapes there are pretty good and it's a short walk to a zillion stores and restaurants.

These people live in fantasy worlds! Some of your tallest buildings in Midtown, have no street level retail! Yet you have condominiums on Peachtree in the HEART of Midtown that is struggling to get tenants. Some people on here have no clue of what's REALLY going on in the city. If they did, they would be more open minded and not so sheltered/close minded to things gong on outside of there favorite sub-districts.

bryantm3 · #**7835** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 4:15 AM**

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Public is not welcome??? I am apart of the public, and as a resident of Midtown, I feel just as welcomed there, just as I feel welcome in O4W, Downtown, Buckhead, etc. You people kill me. Hahahahahaha

he was talking about the cox building, meaning the building is single-function, employees only.

bryantm3 · #**7836** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 4:19 AM**

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These people live in fantasy worlds! Some of your tallest buildings in Midtown, have no street level retail! Yet you have condominiums on Peachtree in the HEART of Midtown that is struggling to get tenants. Some people on here have no clue of what's REALLY going on in the city. If they did, they would be more open minded and not so sheltered/close minded to things gong on outside of there favorite sub-districts.

the problem with no street level retail is that they create a 'dead zone' outside of 9-5 and limit the use of the building to the people that work there and that's it. they don't do anything to contribute to the neighbourhood and are designed for commuters only. the BoA tower and the westin peachtree plaza hotel are two great examples of this— they impact the skyline, but if you don't look several stories up, you would have no idea they were there at street level. they are surrounded by 'dead zones' where drug dealers and agressive panhandlers dominate after business hours and further undermine the safety and vibrancy of the neighbourhood at night.

ATL_J · #**7837** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 4:27 AM**

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These people live in fantasy worlds! Some of your tallest buildings in Midtown, have no street level retail! Yet you have condominiums on Peachtree in the HEART of Midtown that is struggling to get tenants. Some people on here have no clue of what's REALLY going on in the city. If they did, they would be more open minded and not so sheltered/close minded to things gong on outside of there favorite sub-districts.

You like Dunwoody? Fine, but don't try and compare Midtown with Dunwoody. Dunwoody is an office park with tall buildings, strip malls, and a hostile walking environment. It caters to the car, it is not urban, nor does saying that mean that people are sheltered, its just the truth. Dunwoody, Cobb Galleria area, etc. are just office parks with tall buildings. If you're into that, great, but its poor urban planning and not something we should elated about.

TarHeelJ · #**7838** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 4:28 AM**

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We normally don't agree on a lot of issues, but yes, this is the truth. I think it's a form of naivete to try to go completely car-free in Atlanta, or any autocentric city for that matter. Technically the vast majority of residents in SF, DC, Boston, and Chicago still have cars, and even those in NYC who can afford a car also have cars. Maybe they don't use on a daily basis, but it just goes to show that it's a form of really "trying" for really no reason to go carless in Atlanta. There's really nowhere yet in the city where one can easily and conveniently/pleasantly walk to everything your life needs (grocery, shopping, bars/entertainment, AND work), and to force oneself to rely on MARTA to get everywhere one needs to go is a form of masochism. NOT an Atl dig, just keepin it real - if I move back, I will have a car and will enjoy using it to drive around to visit all of the construction sites

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Thanks for enlightening us on SF, DC, Boston, and Chicago. We don't nuthin down here in lil ol Lanta.

Really? Even NYC? Dude, you do realize that everyone in NYC doesn't live in Manhattan? Many, many people live in NYC and drive, and it's not even mostly like living in Manhattan. Of course they have a car if they can afford one.

TarHeelJ · #**7839** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 4:32 AM**

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Viciousness, huh? I'm wondering if this was an attempt at humor. Regardless it's a bit insightful.

In fact it seemed as though most posters were aware that the arguments were different and equally valid...seemed less like misinterpretation and more like discussion (albeit not construction related), which is one of the purposes of the forum.

We can always count on simms3 to swoop in and help us all understand.

TarHeelJ · #**7840** Posted **Jul 28, 2013, 4:34 AM**

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Meglev Train to Turner Field? We definitely need rail to the stadium but connecting it to Georgia State would be a bit cumbersome for people taking MARTA from the North or South. They would have to transfer at 5 Points, get on the East train for one stop, then get on the Meglev Train. Guess it's better than nothing if it happens.

Yeah I think I would rather just take the shuttle from 5 points.