ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by shivtim

Yep. Here's the crowds in the Dome MARTA Station after last weekend's Gold Cup game. Note the 8-car train on the left is already full to capacity and about to leave. That's over 1000 people in the train.


The next train was equally packed:

The light rail could feed into MARTA, just like the Atlanta Streetcar has a stop right in front of Peachtree Center Station. Or people could, gasp, walk half a mile

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by bigstick

shivtim, I always respect and enjoy your posts and contributions. But totally disagree with you on this. If Atlanta (Falcons) are going to be competitive and possibly attract another Super Bowl, this is definitely the point that is being discussed.

Bingo. Just because we currently host events doesn't mean we'll be able to with other, newer stadiums elsewhere competing for them. If Atlanta doesn't get a new stadium, the SEC Championship game is going to Cowboys Stadium.

[delarosa]

Originally Posted by Zanarkand A East

Bingo. Just because we currently host events doesn't mean we'll be able to with other, newer stadiums elsewhere competing for them. If Atlanta doesn't get a new stadium, the SEC Championship game is going to Cowboys Stadium.

I can tell you from direct experience that the world of these types of events is highly competitive. Cities (ie. their representative agencies...CVBs, sport commissions, etc.) are always courting the owners/mgrs of these event properties, offering all forms of incentives. And likewise, the owners/mgrs of these events are always looking for ways to keep things fresh and enticing for their attendees/customers. Just as in any other business, remaining competitive in that industry requires constant investment and improvement.

[shivtim]

Don't worry, Atlanta is getting the stadium. But Zanarkand, you're either disingenuous or naive when you state a light rail line (which isn't even proposed, let alone funded) could handle the same crowds as MARTA's heavy rail. The Falcon's own studies project a huge difference in transit use between the north and south sites.

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by shivtim

Don't worry, Atlanta is getting the stadium. But Zanarkand, you're either disingenuous or naive when you state a light rail line (which isn't even proposed, let alone funded) could handle the same crowds as MARTA's heavy rail. The Falcon's own studies project a huge difference in transit use between the north and south sites.

I never said light rail = heavy rail capacity-wise. A new MARTA station near there actually was proposed, as discussed elsewhere in this forum. In the end, I suppose we'll see what happens. I'm glad that all signs are pointing to it being built on the north site.

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by delarosa

I can tell you from direct experience that the world of these types of events is highly competitive. Cities (ie. their representative agencies...CVBs, sport commissions, etc.) are always courting the owners/mgrs of these event properties, offering all forms of incentives. And likewise, the owners/mgrs of these events are always looking for ways to keep things fresh and enticing for their attendees/customers. Just as in any other business, remaining competitive in that industry requires constant investment and improvement.

Bingo

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by AtlantaMustang

Even if there was magically rail to the north side in 4 years, it would probably be light rail. The two existing Marta station and proximity to the CNN Center, GWCC and Centennial Park venues is what makes the south site far superior. The city sees it, and most people on this board see it.

Have a look at what the Falcons board thinks. There are people on both sides of the issue, but some of the issues being raised here aren't issues for the people who'll use the stadium the most:

http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/topic/3...lternative-site-for-new-falcons-stadium/

[AtlantaMustang]

Originally Posted by Zanarkand A East

Have a look at what the Falcons board thinks. There are people on both sides of the issue, but some of the issues being raised here aren't issues for the people who'll use the stadium the most:

http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/topic/3...lternative-site-for-new-falcons-stadium/

Ok, so 5 out of the long list of 18 posts so far were you. The issues being raised go from the construction disrupting peoples usual parking spots to someone not caring either way because they don't take Marta. I don't know what on earth you thought me looking at that would prove.

[Eightball]

Lol.

Great to see Marta packed like that, though! Especially with the way a large stadium empties, you need high capacity transit to have a decent mode share.

BTW the second cycle track is great news. Cycle tracks are like heaven to bikers.

[AtlantaMustang]

Originally Posted by Eightball

BTW the second cycle track is great news. Cycle tracks are like heaven to bikers.

I'm pretty excited about it. Getting a new apartment in Midtown next month and a bike and may use it to commute to work downtown.

[Eightball]

Awesome. How has the first one been going? Have forumers been using it? I love AtlantaGuy's idea about huge concrete borders.

In DC we are about to put this in, but real barriers seem better. http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/19568/zebras-will-get-a-trial-run-on-pennsylvania-avenue/

[Terminus]

Originally Posted by Eightball

Awesome. How has the first one been going? Have forumers been using it? I love AtlantaGuy's idea about huge concrete borders.

In DC we are about to put this in, but real barriers seem better. http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/19568/zebras-will-get-a-trial-run-on-pennsylvania-avenue/

It's a bad idea to put in significant improvements like curbs until you know it works. Given these tight fiscal times you're going to see more low cost, tactical improvements like this to try them out. If they work well then expect more permanent solutions.

[RudyJK]

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[simms3_redux]

I guess I need to post more often to keep you guys from tearing each other apart! I am a willing target . Has anyone read the last 2-3 pages?? People on the same side of an argument simply making different, but valid points misinterpreting each other and bringing a now usual Atl thread level of viciousness.

Last really interesting post:

Originally Posted by AtlantaMustang

Took these yesterday:

So proud to see so many cranes. (Count 4)

Originally Posted by scania

First of all, this isn't NY, SF, Chicago, etc. The transit system here is not that great. There isn't a lot to do in any of these sub-districts by itself, around the Metro area. This includes Downtown, Midtown, Buckhead, etc. it annoys when people act as if you shouldn't get a car here in Atlanta.

We normally don't agree on a lot of issues, but yes, this is the truth. I think it's a form of naivete to try to go completely car-free in Atlanta, or any autocentric city for that matter. Technically the vast majority of residents in SF, DC, Boston, and Chicago still have cars, and even those in NYC who can afford a car also have cars. Maybe they don't use on a daily basis, but it just goes to show that it's a form of really "trying" for really no reason to go carless in Atlanta. There's really nowhere yet in the city where one can easily and conveniently/pleasantly walk to everything your life needs (grocery, shopping, bars/entertainment, AND work), and to force oneself to rely on MARTA to get everywhere one needs to go is a form of masochism. NOT an Atl dig, just keepin it real - if I move back, I will have a car and will enjoy using it to drive around to visit all of the construction sites .

[Eightball]

Originally Posted by Terminus

It's a bad idea to put in significant improvements like curbs until you know it works. Given these tight fiscal times you're going to see more low cost, tactical improvements like this to try them out. If they work well then expect more permanent solutions.

Agreed.

@Simms - untrue, at least for DC. Here it says there are 275k cars in DC, and there are 632k residents. Even factoring out residents under 16 there is a very small majority of residents without cars in DC.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/more-district-residents-getting-rid-of-cars/article/309136

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by AtlantaMustang

Ok, so 5 out of the long list of 18 posts so far were you. The issues being raised go from the construction disrupting peoples usual parking spots to someone not caring either way because they don't take Marta. I don't know what on earth you thought me looking at that would prove.

Keep an eye on that forum, and you'll see many more posts and many more points of view. That is, of course, if you can make time outside of your snide comments. The point is that that board, just like this board, doesn't represent all of the public's opinion, so it helps to look at them all. I was expecting a civil discussion, but I must have forgotten which board this was.

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by simms3_redux

There's really nowhere yet in the city where one can easily and conveniently/pleasantly walk to everything your life needs (grocery, shopping, bars/entertainment, AND work), and to force oneself to rely on MARTA to get everywhere one needs to go is a form of masochism. NOT an Atl dig, just keepin it real - if I move back, I will have a car and will enjoy using it to drive around to visit all of the construction sites .

I was able to go car free for a few months until I needed a car to manage another property for my family. Luckily, I live close to both a large grocery store and a MARTA bus line that goes all the way downtown. Plus, I work across the street from a MARTA rail station. It's the rare perfect storm of accessibility, and I know a few people that have that same access and still refuse to try transit. I wonder if the people who have to drive realize how much better traffic would be if people that could ride transit more, did.

[shivtim]

Originally Posted by simms3_redux

I guess I need to post more often to keep you guys from tearing each other apart! I am a willing target . Has anyone read the last 2-3 pages?? People on the same side of an argument simply making different, but valid points misinterpreting each other and bringing a now usual Atl thread level of viciousness.

No need to instigate. Forumers may disagree on where a stadium should be placed, but we all want the same thing - a better Atlanta. Any bickering on here is just internet banter, not "viciousness."


Newer rendering for 930 Spring Street apartments:


100 6th Street is pretty much topped out. Waiting to see if they put the "airplane hangar" roof on top like on Skyhouse. It wasn't in the renderings.

Not sure a webcam pic of the completed 77 12th was ever posted:

[delarosa]

Originally Posted by simms3_redux

I guess I need to post more often to keep you guys from tearing each other apart! I am a willing target . Has anyone read the last 2-3 pages?? People on the same side of an argument simply making different, but valid points misinterpreting each other and bringing a now usual Atl thread level of viciousness.

Viciousness, huh? I'm wondering if this was an attempt at humor. Regardless it's a bit insightful.

In fact it seemed as though most posters were aware that the arguments were different and equally valid...seemed less like misinterpretation and more like discussion (albeit not construction related), which is one of the purposes of the forum.

[AtlantaMustang]

Originally Posted by Zanarkand A East

That is, of course, if you can make time outside of your snide comments.

I don't know why you're saying this. I clearly looked at it...

Anyway, most of us accept that there will be a new stadium, we're just trying to argue for the location we think will best benefit the city. I still think I'm right, and you think you're right, and no one is going to convince the other, not to mention that both of us are right on some grounds and not on others.