Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[TonyAnderson]

This was talked about a bit ago, but I saw an official press release from a couple days ago.

KTGY Architecture + Planning Selected to Design Mixed-Use Development in Downtown Salt Lake City


LOS ANGELES - Aug. 25, 2017 - PRLog -- KTGY Architecture + Planning unveiled today the preliminary design for a new mixed-use development that was selected as part of Salt Lake City's plan to revitalize its downtown core developed by The Domain Companies, one of the nation's leading real estate investment and development firms specializing in sustainable mixed-use development, and the GIV Group, which combines a non-profit and entrepreneurial approach to community development. Called The Exchange, the design envisions a pedestrian- and transit-oriented mixed-use district focused on innovation and includes "startup" micro-unit apartments, business incubator space, creative office space, affordable and market-rate apartments and ground-level retail and restaurant space.



Read full release - https://www.prlog.org/12660621-ktgy-arch...elopment-in-downtown-salt-lake-city.html

[ajiuO]

Originally Posted by Comrade

The worst thing going about the worst area of South Salt Lake is trashy yards and freeway noise.

No it isn’t. There are a lot of gangs, drugs, crime and prostitution in South Salt Lake. South Salt Lake is actually pretty big, so it depends on what part of it your in. The area between 2100 S and I80 is actually the nicest part of South Salt Lake. I would live in Rose Park or anywhere before I would ever live in the part of South Salt Lake im from agin. A lot of people started taking there kids and getting the hell out of their a long time ago. From the time I was in kindergarten to 8the grade there were no other kids within 3 blocks of me. They Started closing schools down in the area. When they closed Madison Elementary on State Street, my mom finally started sending my to my grandmas to go to school. Haha. Then when I was in jr high and high school I had to lie about my address so I could avoid the Granite School District.

[twig]

Every city including small cities has their bad areas. Salt Lake is not exempt from this no matter how ignorant you want to be about Salt Lake on this subject. To say otherwise is quite ludicrous.

https://www.aol.com/2010/08/30/safe-and-dangerous-places-in-salt-lake-city/

[airhero]

I hope the Barnes Bank proposal is more than just wishful thinking. That will look really good across from 4th and 4th. Better than the Encore-Seasons duo a block to the east.


Adding to the ghetto discussion, people have sensational ideas of what a ghetto is, but in the traditional sense, Salt Lake does have ghettos. Glendale is a ghetto. Rose Park is a ghetto. Parts of West Valley, SSL, and Ogden are as well. South/West Provo is where I would draw the line. Not a ghetto.

Growing up in Bountiful, we used to refer to West Bountiful as "the ghetto." Always as a joke obviously but especially funny because West Bountiful is more white and has a higher median household income than Bountiful .


And responding to airportvids, there are plenty of places in the US worse than LA, but I love Southern California so I'm biased. Salt Lake has zero potential to become LA anyway so don't you worry.

[EPdesign]

Originally Posted by TonyAnderson

This was talked about a bit ago, but I saw an official press release from a couple days ago.

I am staying optimistic for this. I know it's at the very beginning but it would be great to have this especially at that location with 4th and 4th across the street

[bob rulz]

Mixing high and low income housing is key to urban development nowadays. This mindset that low-income housing needs to be kept separate is what has led to the development of such concentrated "ghettos" throughout the country in the first place.

[ThePusherMan]

Originally Posted by Clark0501

What is going on with Regent Street downtown? It does not look like anything has changed in 6 months. Fireside Pizza is the only restaurant that is even open and there is a fried chicken restaurant that has said coming soon for months. Does anyone know what is going on and what other restaurants are coming in there?

Pretty Bird, the fried chicken restaurant, is a Viet Pham project that is going to blow our minds from what I have heard. They ran into some construction issues, something to do with the hood vents for the kitchen, but are moving forward again. October is what I have heard for their opening. The east side of Regent is all church owned which means strict rules on booze and therefore unappealing to many food and beverage operations. IMO Regent Street needs a good bar to get more foot traffic. Hopefully the church will fill their spots soon and we can get some vibrancy on that street. The two million dollars worth of art that we were promised would be nice too!

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by bob rulz

Mixing high and low income housing is key to urban development nowadays. This mindset that low-income housing needs to be kept separate is what has led to the development of such concentrated "ghettos" throughout the country in the first place.

Sweden and France could learn a lot from this. They tend to put all refugees or immigrants in one suburban area and then wonder what happened when they become bombed out ghettos that the police are even afraid to go in; or when they do, they have to use armored vehicles. I've been saying for a while now that they need to mix the refugees/immigrants in with everyone else, so there's no concentration of any one group in a neighborhood.

Mixing various social strata in developments has been the idea for 2-3 decades, but getting developers to actually do it requires municipal/state legislation most of the time.

[Marvland]

Originally Posted by ThePusherMan

Pretty Bird, the fried chicken restaurant, is a Viet Pham project that is going to blow our minds from what I have heard. They ran into some construction issues, something to do with the hood vents for the kitchen, but are moving forward again. October is what I have heard for their opening. The east side of Regent is all church owned which means strict rules on booze and therefore unappealing to many food and beverage operations. IMO Regent Street needs a good bar to get more foot traffic. Hopefully the church will fill their spots soon and we can get some vibrancy on that street. The two million dollars worth of art that we were promised would be nice too!

Got to taste his fried chicken tonight. Salt Lake is in for a treat.

[jubguy3]

Hey, this is a little off topic, but I'm really busy right now (i'm flying to the netherlands tomorrow to have surgery :/) but I know that the front page needs to be updated from the #4 thread. Is anybody willing to go through and update it? I can send you the existing page as it appears in the text editor if that would help. Thank you

[delts145]

I will be happy to do it. Just send a private message to Cottonwood over on the Boise Thread, telling him you want me to update the first page. He is usually very quick to respond. He had asked a few of us to update it previously when it switched over, but I was away from the computer for a while, and didn't respond. I think you were probably the first of us to answer his request. Anyway, Cottonwood has always been very generous in helping us out, and always responds quickly. I'll follow up later today, and get it rolling. All he needs is your permission.

[DanskeUtahn]

Jubguy3 Ben je Nederlander?

[asies1981]

Update on the Block 67 project. They are looking into including a grocery store in the second phase.

[Comrade]

How about they get the first stage complete before they start planning for the second?

[airportvids]

If I'm allowed to comment, I don't believe we will end up getting those two towers for block 67. Watch as phase two gets down size or doesn't happen at all. I'm calling it now. Salt Lake only gets about 10% of the tower/skyscraper proposals while the other 90% ends up dead in the water. That's just how we roll. GO SLC!, moving at a snail's pace.

[Jiffy]

Originally Posted by airportvids

If I'm allowed to comment, I don't believe we will end up getting those two towers for block 67. Watch as phase two gets down size or doesn't happen at all. I'm calling it now. Salt Lake only gets about 10% of the tower/skyscraper proposals while the other 90% ends up dead in the water. That's just how we roll. GO SLC!, moving at a snail's pace.

But you are moving in a direction and it is the right direction!

[Makid]

Originally Posted by bob rulz

The Block 67 development is a great proposal and I hope it really does end up as advertised. Would we really need a grocery store there though? It's what, 4 blocks away from Harmons?

I think a small grocer would do well there. Harmons is bigger and is more of a super market then just a grocer. I think with the apartments going in on the block as well as those across the street, a medium sized grocer would do well. This is before the other recently started or completed projects along 3rd West.

With the Downtown Streetcar planned to go along 2nd South, It could help those that live near the gateway as well unless they get a small to medium grocer there as well.

[Liberty Wellsian]

900 South Viaduct

E-mail response that I received after reaching out to a handful of state legislators with SLC constituencies.

Representative Romero asked that I do some research on the 900 S construction and follow up with you about what I was able to find out.



The 900 South project is a bridge preservation project with efforts focused on bridge deck repairs, resurfacing, structural repairs to the backwall, abutment and bent cap. The total budget is $5,070,000. There are currently plans for a full reconstruction of that entire ramp. UDOT stated that they are happy to work with the City to fund a better alternative if there is interest in pursuing a different direction.



While I don’t have any further details, I do have a contact at UDOT that can help if you have any further questions. Tim Beery is able to work with staff to get any information that you may need. His email is [email protected]



Thank you for reaching out. Please feel free to contact Representative Romero if you have any questions or comments about state legislative matters.



Best,



Jackie Rosen

House Minority Constituent Services Specialist

(801) 538-1650

[email protected]

Perhaps going to a few community council meetings would be a good place to raise the issue? If anybody knows somebody on the city council perhaps you could raise the issue with them?

[ajiuO]

So Brewvies won its case against the state of Utah. I do feel this is great news... but I wonder if it’s somthing Brewvies will come to regret. Cinemark has started serving alcohol in a lot of other states. In fact they originally wanted to do so at sugarhouse but didn’t want to deal with issues related to a lot of R rated films... this is going to open the floodgates. I hope Brewvies doesn’t loose to much business when other theaters start serving alcohol... Witch is absolutely going to happen now.

[bob rulz]

Originally Posted by ajiuO

So Brewvies won its case against the state of Utah. I do feel this is great news... but I wonder if it’s somthing Brewvies will come to regret. Cinemark has started serving alcohol in a lot of other states. In fact they originally wanted to do so at sugarhouse but didn’t want to deal with issues related to a lot of R rated films... this is going to open the floodgates. I hope Brewvies doesn’t loose to much business when other theaters start serving alcohol... Witch is absolutely going to happen now.

I couldn't be more ecstatic about this.

Brewvies is great, but they shouldn't hold a monopoly on serving alcohol at the theaters.

I don't think Brewvies should be worried at all. For one, Megaplex will certainly never serve alcohol, so that's half of the movie business in Utah already that won't compete with them, including the closest theater to them (Gateway). Cinemark may, but with the way Utah liquor laws work, it would take them a long time to get a liquor license, and even if they do, there's no guarantee they would get a license for every theater. And considering Utah's bizarre liquor laws anyway, they may just decide it's not worth it.

Other theaters serving alcohol probably wouldn't take much business away from Brewviews anyway. For one, Brewvies is a bar - people go there not just to drink at a movie, but to have an adult-friendly experience, and to have a bar-like experience with a movie. You can finish up the movie and play pool, for example, or hang out on the patio and drink like you would at any other bar. And you don't have to worry about people bringing their kids. People probably wouldn't skip Brewvies for somewhere else. It would just get more people to drink at movies, because most people aren't going to go that far out of their way just to get a drink with their movie, but they might get one if it's convenient for them to do so.

Even if the Broadway and Tower theaters start selling alcohol, that probably wouldn't affect much, because they show very different kinds of movies.

Their biggest concern would be if another bar theater opened, which would be difficult because the start-up costs for a movie theater are insanely high.

Originally Posted by Makid

I think a small grocer would do well there. Harmons is bigger and is more of a super market then just a grocer. I think with the apartments going in on the block as well as those across the street, a medium sized grocer would do well. This is before the other recently started or completed projects along 3rd West.

With the Downtown Streetcar planned to go along 2nd South, It could help those that live near the gateway as well unless they get a small to medium grocer there as well.

It's possible, but what would be a small grocer? A downtown Trader Joe's would likely do well, so I could see that, but they have a pretty niche customer base. Harmons has been pushing stores with urban designs, but probably wouldn't put one so close to one of their flagship locations. Sprouts is maybe a possibility, or Whole Foods, though who knows exactly what their business model will be like going forward with Amazon owning them? I can't think of anyone else, unless they could secure one of those mini-Walmarts or Targets (ick, please no), or Smiths decided to try out an urban store concept (probably ok, I'm sure Kroger has some somewhere in the country).