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Old Posted May 10, 2023, 7:27 PM
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Given the astronomical costs for new arenas and stadiums in recent years, I wonder how much the proposed new arena in Saskatoon will cost? Granted it's just in the early planning stages, so we don't even know if it will even be built.

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Old Posted May 10, 2023, 8:05 PM
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Well, Danielle Smith has made it impossible to vote for her. So I will just sit this Provincial election out (i.e. abstain from voting).
Things have changed in two weeks?

Sometimes, not voting is the better choice when all options are terrible.

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Man, Oakland teams are really getting “Raided” by LV.
Sad to see, really, and after such a history with the City. It's not about the fans anymore, it's all about the money.

Glad the NHL hasn't sunk to that level (yet).
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Old Posted May 10, 2023, 8:49 PM
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I never understood why the As just didnt retrofit the coliseum back to a baseball only ballpark after Raiders left as it was a very nice ballpark before they built mount davis in the mid 90s there that blocked the view of the mountains. It has excellent access to the BART rapid transit system there for fans.
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Old Posted May 10, 2023, 9:07 PM
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Curious if the new ball park in LV will be climate controlled ?
Man, Oakland teams are really getting “Raided” by LV.
I saw a post on Facebook that showed a proposed stadium (called Tropicana of all things) with a roof that looked like a baseball. I assumed it was a joke post but one never knows with Vegas.
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Old Posted May 10, 2023, 11:08 PM
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I never understood why the As just didnt retrofit the coliseum back to a baseball only ballpark after Raiders left as it was a very nice ballpark before they built mount davis in the mid 90s there that blocked the view of the mountains. It has excellent access to the BART rapid transit system there for fans.
Because ‘Not new’ and the city of Oakland was iffy about dumping in a pile of cash and having this exact thing happen regardless. The As wanted a brand new ballpark; a rehashed multipurpose stadium would always have a scarlet letter on it.

The game’s been the same for a couple of decades now. Some places still play the game. Others are getting wise.

Here the game is hockey rinks in secondary cities right now. Maybe when the scheme is done for Ottawa and Calgary, we’ll just enjoy the venues we have. Baseball is just too niche a thing outside of Toronto, and Rogers too reviled a company to get away with the same shenanigans here.
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With stadiums and arenas so expensive now retrofits instead of new builds will have to become more the norm more and more.
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Things have changed in two weeks?

Sometimes, not voting is the better choice when all options are terrible.
Exactly.

It hasn’t been just the last two weeks - I was never going to vote for her until the arena deal. But just when I think she’s said the stupidest thing ever, she keeps talking.
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Because ‘Not new’ and the city of Oakland was iffy about dumping in a pile of cash and having this exact thing happen regardless. The As wanted a brand new ballpark; a rehashed multipurpose stadium would always have a scarlet letter on it.
Intentional or subconscious?
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I'm legitimately surprised at the pace this is moving at in Saskatoon:

Key votes on proposed Saskatoon arena expected in November
"Should City Council approve a conceptual design and funding plan, for all intents and purposes, City Council will have decided to proceed with the project provided the funding plan can be achieved."

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Saskatoon city council is expected to conduct votes in November that will effectively decide whether a proposed new downtown entertainment district will go ahead, according to a revised timeline from city staff in a report to next week’s meeting of the governance and priorities committee.

Conceptual designs for a new arena and either a new convention centre or a substantial renovation of the existing facility at TCU will come forward that month, along with a funding plan for the proposed district.

“Should City Council approve a conceptual design and funding plan, for all intents and purposes, City Council will have decided to proceed with the project provided the funding plan can be achieved,” the report states.

It notes that parts of the funding strategy will be outside the city’s control, including contributions from the provincial and federal governments and having the provincial government pass amendments to The Cities Act to enable portions of the plan.

Council has previously directed that property tax funds not be used to pay for the proposed district and facilities.

City staff have suggested approaches, including a levy on tickets sold for events, and taxes on hotel stays or vehicle rentals as possible avenues to raise the money. Tax increment financing could also be considered; this approach would see the city borrow against the projected increase in tax revenue generated by the development.

The report to the committee also recommends deferring a decision on what to do with the existing arena at SaskTel Centre until potentially as late as 2025, noting the facility will still be in operation for several years during work on a potential replacement.

A report containing a plan for the overall district — the public amenities that will surround the proposed new facilities — is expected in late 2023 or early 2024.
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I'm sure that we can argue back and forth until we are blue in the face, but that's pretty damn exciting for Toontown.

But let's see the deal/numbers.
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Old Posted May 11, 2023, 11:39 PM
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Meanwhile in Halifax Huskies stadium is getting a new set of port o poties for Touchdown Atlantic.
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Meanwhile in Halifax Huskies stadium is getting a new set of port o poties for Touchdown Atlantic.
Tru dat!
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Intentional or subconscious?
Heh. Subconscious.
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I'm sure that we can argue back and forth until we are blue in the face, but that's pretty damn exciting for Toontown.

But let's see the deal/numbers.
I support a new arena whole heartedly, but even I'm worried about the numbers. I don't recall them ever releasing numbers for an entire district, just an arena or arena/Centennial Auditorium refit. Plus inflation, plus the other big ticket items Saskatoon has coming down the pipeline, it could be a hard number to justify.
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Phase 2 and 3 are just plans.
Well They are definitely in the process they even bought the last standing property they didn't own. sounds like some pretty concrete plans to me

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/oilers-o...lace-1.5855030
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Old Posted May 12, 2023, 12:54 PM
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True North will be redeveloping Portage Place mall into 2 Health Care Centres along with a mix use of housing some retail and a grocery store. Price tag is in the 500 to $600 million range. True North will fund $300 million worth for the 2 Health Care Centres. This coupled with True North Square is probably close to $1 billion worth of development True North has spurred in downtown Winnipeg. Kudos to Chipman along with Premier Heather Stefanson and Mayor Scott Gillingham for getting this done.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9693240/w...evitalization/

Friday marks a new day in the history of Portage Place.



The beleaguered mall in the heart of downtown Winnipeg – an crown jewel intended to anchor the city’s downtown, filled with ‘For Lease’ signs just a few decades later, is set to get a massive shot in the arm today.

The Province of Manitoba, Shared Health, True North Sports and Entertainment will unveil ambitious plans for the property at a news conference Friday morning.

Global News got an early look.

A healthcare hub
The east end of the property, adjacent to Carlton Street, will become home to two separate healthcare centres.

You’ll be able to visit a walk-in clinic and primary care clinic on the ground floor, which government sources say is designed to take the stress off the nearby Health Sciences Centre and Misericordia hospitals.

Dialysis patients will have a 26,000 sq. ft. facility for their treatment, and others will be able to go their physiotherapy appointments.

The Downtown Winnipeg Health Centre for Excellence will also contain a future Rapid Access to Addictions Medicine (RAAM) clinic.

Rising above it: a 15-storey tower containing the Pan Am Centre for Advanced Musculoskeletal Medicine.

It will contain nearly 50,000 sq. ft. of ambulatory and orthopedic surgery space, a concussion clinic, pain clinic, space for minor injury and sports medicine professionals and more.

The healthcare centres come at a cost of more than $300 million.

“Right in the downtown area: Where people are working, where people are living, where people are part of that community, they’ll be able to have access to those services,” Manitoba Premier Heather Stefanson told 680 CJOB’s Richard Cloutier.

Plans shown to Global News ahead of Friday’s announcement show Edmonton Street cutting through the property, allowing a space for patients to be dropped off at the centre.

The two centres promise more than 220,000 sq. ft. of new healthcare space for the city, and province.

A place to live, shop, eat, and connect
The space to the west of the new Edmonton St. greenway will be re-worked to include community services like a dental office, optometry space, pharmacy and more.

“This is really connecting the downtown area, and making it a very welcoming place to come to, and a place where they can get help,” Stefanson says.

The ground floor features space for groups like Service Canada, Newcomer Services, and the Downtown Community Safety Partnership.

The heart of the property will also have plenty of room for a food court and retail stores.

Above it, the existing Prairie Theatre Exchange and YMCA will be joined by a community centre/drop in space complete with a basketball court, and an outdoor community garden overlooking Portage Ave.

The westernmost portion of the property will see another large tower rise above the existing structure – this one full of homes.

Details on how many residences, and the portion of homes designated as affordable housing, are unclear.

And the building contains something the downtown area has been lacking for years.

Adjacent to the lobby near the Portage Ave. entrance: a 20,000 sq. ft. grocery store.

Plans, partners, and a start date
True North’s real estate arm will purchase the mall from the Forks North Portage Partnership, which represents the city, province, and federal government.

A report sent to city hall earlier this year gave True North a year to do due diligence on the property – and noted the minimum purchase price would be a little more than $34 million.

The ambitious plan will result in 569,000 sq. ft. of floor space being added to the property – more than double the mall’s current amount.

1,000 existing underground parking stalls will be retained.

A government source tells Global News the plans will run in the $500-600 million range. True North Sports and Entertainment will put up the money for the healthcare portion of the property – more than $300 million – and the province will lease the space.

All three levels of government will be involved in the build, particularly the housing component, and the Richardson family is also a part of the group working to transform the mall.

Premier Stefanson will be joined by True North CEO Mark Chipman, President of the group’s real estate arm, Jim Ludlow, and new Shared Health CEO Lanette Siragusa for a formal announcement at 9:30 a.m. Friday.
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Old Posted May 12, 2023, 2:02 PM
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Reusing the parkade will save $100 million+ I think.
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Old Posted May 16, 2023, 4:32 PM
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Tempe arena vote tonight.
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Old Posted May 16, 2023, 5:29 PM
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Tempe arena vote tonight.
Kind of hoping it gets voted down. Really want Phoenix to move. Enough is enough.
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Old Posted May 16, 2023, 5:33 PM
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Even if they cannot move to Quebec City i would prefer Houston or Kansas city at this point the, the Arizona debacle has been more than an embarrassment the past 15 years put this dog down already at the vets office and move on.
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