Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by P'tit Renard

This recent interview by La Zarra about her stunt at Eurovision is also interesting..


La Zarra « traumatisée » par l’Eurovision
https://www.lapresse.ca/arts/musique...eurovision.php

Lol. These people make me laugh!! La Zarra was one of our worst representatives at Eurovision. They fail miserably because of their lack of talent (plus she was boring as hell... have you listened to her song?), and then they raise the "racist card". Give me a break!

On Sunday I was in the Métro, a black guy entered the train and made a super good rendition of "I need a dollar", and lo and behold!, grumpy Parisians who never give money to buskers (most of whom are usually appalling in the métro in Paris) were all happy and gave him many coins (I had never seen so many people giving coins). So, are Parisians racist when they don't give money to an awful Black busker, and suddenly not racist when they give money to a talented Black busker?

You can listen to it here, I recorded half a minute of it: https://twitter.com/brisavoine/statu...56937636298770

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The net francophones going into New Brunswick mostly come from Québec. Though many of them may be people originally from NB who were living in Québec and moved back to NB during or after the pandemic.

NB's francophone community has lost a lot of population to Québec in the past.

I meant to answer that since yesterday. Statcan figures show that the net positive migration of Francophones in New Brunswick started earlier than in the 2016-2021 period, so it has probably little to do with Covid.

In fact, Francophones in New Brunswick have registered positive net migration since 2006. Before 2006, there was negative net migration for them (more Francophones leaving New Brunswick than arriving in New Brunswick) for all quinquennial intercensal periods (except briefly in 1981-1986, perhaps a consequence of Québec's independence referendum which scared some Acadians living in Québec, who knows), but since 2006 their net migration has been positive. So it can't be Covid.

For the Anglophones, net migration in New Brunswick was negative until 2016, and it is only since 2016 that more Anglophones have arrived in New Brunswick than those who left New Brunswick.

I don't know why the migration flows of Francophones in New Brunswick have changed since 2006. Perhaps the arrival of Francophone immigrants from France and elsewhere? Can't be Haitians or North Africans, as they wouldn't be listed as native French speakers.

[New Brisavoine]

And now, the figures you were all waiting for. The interprovincial net migration of each province and territory between 2011 and 2021!

Interprovincial net migration, 2011-2021:
- Colombie-Britannique: +120,070 (i.e. 120,070 more people moved from ROC to British Colombia than those who left British Colombia to ROC)
- Nouvelle-Ecosse: +17,710
- Alberta: +16,400
- Nouveau-Brunswick: +5,730
- Ile-du-Prince-Edouard: +2,920
- Yukon: +1,370
- Terre-Neuve-et-Labrador: -485
- Nunavut: -985
- Territoires du Nord-Ouest: -3,655
- Saskatchewan: -26,610
- Manitoba: -41,955
- Québec: -43,400
- Ontario: -47,085

Some fascinating stuff there. Ontario more repulsive than Québec! At least in absolute numbers. All the Maritimes in green territory. British Colombia the most attractive province of Canada for the residents of Canada.

Alberta not #1, and not even #2! Let's note that Alberta was #1 between 2011 and 2016, ahead of British Colombia, but Alberta collapsed after 2016, going from record positive net migration to record negative net migration, and ending most repulsive province of Canada between 2016 and 2021. Il y a une morale, I suppose.

Let's also note that Québec recovered spectacularly after 2016 (Legault effect?). It's still in negative territory (more people leaving than arriving), but approaching 0 (i.e. equilibrium), and now far more attractive than Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and also Ontario.

Ontario also improved after 2016, but still remains behind Québec. It looks like people returned to Québec, Ontario, and British Colombia after 2016, with Alberta collapsing. That's the main dynamic.

[harls]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

with Alberta collapsing.

Yeah, Alberta is on the brink of collapse. Alrighty there.

But what would I know. Here I am, just a small south-asian guy who you scoff at in your local market shouting French at him until he gives you food.

PS.. British Columbia.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by harls

Yeah, Alberta is on the brink of collapse. Alrighty there.

Migration flows to Alberta have collapsed. If you disagree send a letter of complaint to Statcan.

Originally Posted by harls

But what would I know. Here I am, just a small south-asian guy who you scoff at in your local market shouting French at him until he gives you food.

South-Asian vendors in Paris don't serve food (except for the few South Asian restaurants). Here they are mostly in phone stores, the ones you go to to pick up parcels from Amazon and other online retailers. But what do you know indeed.

[MolsonExport]

Positive international immigration added to gains from inter-provincial migration, resulting in a net increase of a record 56,306 people to Alberta's population in the third quarter of 2023. This was an increase of 22.4% from the third quarter of 2022.

Alberta sets Canadian record for annual net interprovincial population growth: StatCan

Where is that collapse? Sounds like something conjured up from the left bank.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1710000901

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Positive international immigration added to gains from inter-provincial migration, resulting in a net increase of a record 56,306 people to Alberta's population in the third quarter of 2023. This was an increase of 22.4% from the third quarter of 2022.



Where is that collapse? Sounds like something conjured up from the left bank.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1710000901

Reread the posts. We're talking of two different things.

[Dengler Avenue]

Troll question of the day:
Is a francophone from Kenora Franco-ontarian or Franco-Manitoban?
(I have in mind the previous liberal MP for Kenora, Robert Nault, and also other Franco-Manitobans that may have emigrated to Northwestern Ontario.)

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Troll question of the day:
Is a francophone from Kenora Franco-ontarian or Franco-Manitoban?
(I have in mind the previous liberal MP for Kenora, Robert Nault, and also other Franco-Manitobans that may have emigrated to Northwestern Ontario.)

Troll answer is "Yes".

[Acajack]

There are almost no francophones in Kenora and AFAIK Robert Nault did not speak French.

[Acajack]

Dude from Texas learns decent French solely from watching hockey games* on RDS but some people who have lived in Montréal all their lives can't order a coffee in French?

https://twitter.com/HFTVSports/statu...QybuQcljA&s=19

*Actor Viggo Mortensen also did this when he lived in northern New York state.

[New Brisavoine]

The president of the French Senate scathing about the presidential choice of Aya Nakamura: https://twitter.com/telematin/status...77209783538154

(although I'm not sure that slang word is used in Québec)

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

The president of the French Senate scathing about the presidential choice of Aya Nakamura: https://twitter.com/telematin/status...77209783538154

(although I'm not sure that slang word is used in Québec)

LOL what a priceless interview!

No we don't use that slang term but I can figure it out.

[Acajack]

New "Meet the Parents" style movie set in Québec City features Americans actors plus a few Québécois a-listers. English title is "French Girl" even of the girl in question is Québécoise.

https://youtu.be/3i6de-RF3uA?si=OskcbFJ8ZJ7xu7yF

[New Brisavoine]

And so it starts...

St-Pierre Plamondon confirme avoir reçu des menaces de mort, le suspect arrêté

Le Devoir
16 mars 2024

https://www.ledevoir.com/politique/q...gn=corps_texte

Were René Lévesque and Jacques Parizeau also the object of death threats/attacks like Pauline Marois and PSPP?

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

And so it starts...

Were René Lévesque and Jacques Parizeau also the object of death threats/attacks like Pauline Marois and PSPP?

And were the threats in English or in French.
Seriously, is there any relevant politician who ISN'T receiving threats these days?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

And were the threats in English or in French.
Seriously, is there any relevant politician who ISN'T receiving threats these days?

Surely not but this one seems more credible and a rare case of an actual arrest.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

And so it starts...

Were René Lévesque and Jacques Parizeau also the object of death threats/attacks like Pauline Marois and PSPP?

They definitely were but the social media era has amplified things greatly.

[New Brisavoine]

Someone actually shot a gun during a meeting of Pauline Marois. I don't think this ever happened during meetings of René Lévesque and Jacques Parizeau, did it?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

Someone actually shot a gun during a meeting of Pauline Marois. I don't think this ever happened during meetings of René Lévesque and Jacques Parizeau, did it?

Richard Henry Bain who targeted Pauline Marois killed one person and handicapped one for life, and tried to set off an explosion.