Vancouver and Clark County

[CorbinWarrick]

Originally Posted by CouvScott

https://www.discoverterminal1.com/gallery/#gallery-videos

Beautiful! I wish Portland had this

[dizflip]

Originally Posted by CouvScott

https://www.discoverterminal1.com/gallery/#gallery-videos

Shame the Interstate Bridge Replacement program is aiming to put an ugly bridge directly over this.

[urbanlife]

Originally Posted by CouvScott

...continues at the DJC (no paywall).

This stings, great for Vancouver, but it annoys me that Portland hasn't done something like this especially when we literally have the perfect building for a public market (and no, it doesn't have to exist on the waterfront,) the bus terminal by the train station. It is a double cantilever building that could easily be redesigned into a beautiful indoor public market and it is just sitting there not being a market.

[urbanlife]

Originally Posted by uncommon.name

To each, their own on the "corporate restaurant aspect and the lackluster arcitecture" comment. I personally feel it all goes very well together and is quite attractive. The architecture isn't boring by any means and showcases the density they are aiming for. The food is fabulous there as well.

Also, a pop-up market at Esther Short Park Vs. a permanent Market building that can offer market 7 days per week (ala Pike Place Market in Seattle)... huge difference.

The architecture is fine, it isn't anything standout, but it works for Vancouver.

This whole "who has the better waterfront" argument is pointless because Vancouver will always be a suburb city to Portland rather than the city center to the metro. What we should be looking at Vancouver for with its waterfront and downtown is this should be the standard for all the surrounding cities in the Portland Metro because that's what Portland needs, a bunch of urban hubs that can be connected together creating a metro of walkable urban districts.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by urbanlife

This stings, great for Vancouver, but it annoys me that Portland hasn't done something like this especially when we literally have the perfect building for a public market (and no, it doesn't have to exist on the waterfront,) the bus terminal by the train station. It is a double cantilever building that could easily be redesigned into a beautiful indoor public market and it is just sitting there not being a market.

Or the old Zidell warehouse in South Waterfront…

[2oh1]

Originally Posted by Derek

Or the old Zidell warehouse in South Waterfront…

I personally don't think that would be a good site for a public market since South Waterfront is a disconnected location (that whole neighborhood is such a weird location) but...

...but but but...

You're right that the building is crying out for a new creative purpose, and it has so much potential. I think it would fail as a public market, but it could be great for some sort of specific occasion venue or attraction. And I really hope that happens.

South Waterfront is a challenging area. It's in the middle of everything while still being disconnected from it all. It's not reasonably walkable from downtown. The river cuts it off from SE. i5 cuts it off from everything else. It's like an inland island.

[CorbinWarrick]

Originally Posted by urbanlife

This stings, great for Vancouver, but it annoys me that Portland hasn't done something like this especially when we literally have the perfect building for a public market (and no, it doesn't have to exist on the waterfront,) the bus terminal by the train station. It is a double cantilever building that could easily be redesigned into a beautiful indoor public market and it is just sitting there not being a market.

Damn right it stings. Vancouver just gets it

[urbanlife]

Originally Posted by CorbinWarrick

Damn right it stings. Vancouver just gets it

Keep in mind, downtown Portland has a waterfront park that is about 7900ft long while downtown Vancouver has a waterfront park that is 3000ft long. Again, we should be comparing Vancouver to surrounding suburb cities rather than the primary central city of the metro. Vancouver is never overtaking Portland as the largest city in the metro.

[CorbinWarrick]

Originally Posted by urbanlife

Keep in mind, downtown Portland has a waterfront park that is about 7900ft long while downtown Vancouver has a waterfront park that is 3000ft long. Again, we should be comparing Vancouver to surrounding suburb cities rather than the primary central city of the metro. Vancouver is never overtaking Portland as the largest city in the metro.

Nobody said that but their waterfront park kills ours. They haven’t even
Added this food market yet.. they get it

[urbanlife]

Originally Posted by CorbinWarrick

Nobody said that but their waterfront park kills ours. They haven’t even
Added this food market yet.. they get it

Because that's all they got. Portland has an entire downtown next to its waterfront that is full of things to do.

[CorbinWarrick]

Originally Posted by urbanlife

Because that's all they got. Portland has an entire downtown next to its waterfront that is full of things to do.

I’ll never understand why our waterfront sucks so bad. It feels like a major missed opportunity for all kinds of boardwalk commerce and entertainment. I imagine it comes down to building regulations/red tape, something with the EPA, flooding, homeless/vandalism, or a combination of those things. Somehow every other major city has figured it out, though

[urbanlife]

Originally Posted by CorbinWarrick

I’ll never understand why our waterfront sucks so bad. It feels like a major missed opportunity for all kinds of boardwalk commerce and entertainment. I imagine it comes down to building regulations/red tape, something with the EPA, flooding, homeless/vandalism, or a combination of those things. Somehow every other major city has figured it out, though

The waterfront is fine. All those entertainment things you want can literally be found in downtown. Most cities just have a waterfront with a downtown full of surface lots and parking garages, Portland doesn't suffer from that.

[Rob Nob]

The two are very different, but both have their positives. Vancouver's waterfront is a dead end headed West and has very concentrated activity. It is small enough to be a destination point. Portland has a large loop and lot going on between the Steel Bridge and Sellwood Bridge, but not concentrated. There are a lot of workers during the week though, unlike Vancouver. Tons of cyclists and runners that you rarely see along Vancouver Waterfront. It is a bike commute highway headed south from downtown on both sides.

[uncommon.name]

Originally Posted by sopdx

and you know...???

Did you not read it?

"Acquisition of this Property will provide needed parking, as well space to support year-round events, markets, and fairs at Waterfront Park."

Keywords, "parking" and "space to support". In other words, non-development.

[CorbinWarrick]

Originally Posted by uncommon.name

Did you not read it?

"Acquisition of this Property will provide needed parking, as well space to support year-round events, markets, and fairs at Waterfront Park."

Keywords, "parking" and "space to support". In other words, non-development.

Exactly. They need to learn to have vision like the Vancouver leaders have

[sopdx]

Originally Posted by uncommon.name

Did you not read it?

"Acquisition of this Property will provide needed parking, as well space to support year-round events, markets, and fairs at Waterfront Park."

Keywords, "parking" and "space to support". In other words, non-development.

Yeah, of course, however, try to think beyond the obvious. How many parking lots does parks have. Possibly inventory for the future?
Anyway back to delicious food and Pike Place Market!

[uncommon.name]

Originally Posted by sopdx

Yeah, of course, however, try to think beyond the obvious. How many parking lots does parks have. Possibly inventory for the future?
Anyway back to delicious food and Pike Place Market!

If we had something that was like a cross between Pike Place Market and San Francisco's Ferry Plaza Farmer's Market, with amazing Chef's cooking fresh food, regionally grown produce, etc... I'd be down there all the time and it would draw people from miles away! It would fit Portland perfectly.

[urbanlife]

Originally Posted by uncommon.name

If we had something that was like a cross between Pike Place Market and San Francisco's Ferry Plaza Farmer's Market, with amazing Chef's cooking fresh food, regionally grown produce, etc... I'd be down there all the time and it would draw people from miles away! It would fit Portland perfectly.

And we already have an existing building to put that in.

[CouvScott]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10226363595688806&set=a.10208146887682491&__cft__[0]=AZVAcjRNyGa9xh6uFEhG3syAyYe1YEcI4xFIVCl8dcaoyWW8AuGlq9WbfL-xg_aOpBp-eoustoXLbkB7vxaapGPKUdOhbsc9gV2ymfS5Q2_2PQ&__tn__=EH-R

and the 7th at the 192nd ave exit on hwy 14 (East Gate - Columbia Palisades area)

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t..._FWA7pbsrTQVAU17Uq69s6T8DpIA&oe=64CE311A

[PhillyPDX]

Originally Posted by CouvScott

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10226363595688806&set=a.10208146887682491&__cft__[0]=AZVAcjRNyGa9xh6uFEhG3syAyYe1YEcI4xFIVCl8dcaoyWW8AuGlq9WbfL-xg_aOpBp-eoustoXLbkB7vxaapGPKUdOhbsc9gV2ymfS5Q2_2PQ&__tn__=EH-R

and the 7th at the 192nd ave exit on hwy 14 (East Gate - Columbia Palisades area)

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t..._FWA7pbsrTQVAU17Uq69s6T8DpIA&oe=64CE311A

The one at 192nd is interesting. They are finally getting going on significant mutli-use developments to both the north and south sides of 192nd. Going to be a very large. Apparently got delayed due to some approvals, I'm not sure the details for the delay.

North side:

https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/busines...he-palisades-planned-for-east-vancouver/

https://cascadiadevelopmentpartners.com/?q=node/43

I can't seem to find the u/c south side info at the moment. They are actively moving dirt though.