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That is unfortunate. First, they lose the Sidewinders, now the White Sox. I believe TEP was built in the wrong part of town to be fully taken advantage of...
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Now here's some Rio Nuevo funds spent on tangible results: $4.5M to beautify Scott Avenue with wider sidewalks, new lighting and added landscaping:


Steps to beautify and narrow Scott Avenue begins next week
by TEYA VITU
Tucson Citizen
11.24.2008

Scott Avenue south of Broadway will start being transformed next week into a tree-lined pedestrian haven with a narrower street and less parking. A groundbreaking ceremony at 3:30 p.m. Monday launches the $4.5 million in streetscape improvements that are part of the $37 million infrastructure project for Congress Street, Broadway and Granada Avenue funded by Rio Nuevo tax increment financing funds. Demolition of a bus shelter near the Temple of Music and Art will start this week but the heavy-duty work won't start until Dec. 1, said Fran LaSala, assistant to City Manager Mike Hein. The project will narrow Scott from 48 feet curb to curb to 31 to 40 feet, depending on how much parking goes in each stretch of street, LaSala said.

The narrower street - two 11-foot driving lanes - allows for wider and more floral sidewalks, measuring 24 to 30 feet wide counting sidewalk and greenery. The sidewalks on both sides of Scott will range from 8 to 10 feet wide with 8- to 10-foot bands of trees and potted plants on each side of the sidewalk, he said. The trees will include mesquite and blue paloverdes and the plants include agave and thornless prickly pear. "What we're trying to do with Scott is make it a framework that attracts people to the history of the avenue," LaSala said. "People are missing the Udall building, the Scottish Rite Cathedral, the Royal Elizabeth B&B."

Scott has bleak nighttime lighting supplied by 30-foot-high cobra lights that cast a dim yellow light on the street. These will be replaced with dedicated street and sidewalk lights that shine a white light and comply with the city's dark sky ordinance, LaSala said. The first major work will involve ripping up the west side of Scott to replace decades-old 6-inch water lines with 8-inch PVC and ductile iron pipes. "We offered all business an opportunity to upgrade their water service," said LaSala, adding the business would pay for upgrades. The first phase will involve tearing up the west side of Scott starting near the Temple of Music and Art. Scott work should be finished by May 1, and at that time work is expected to start on Congress or Broadway to replace and relocate utility lines to make way for streetcar tracks.
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The latest casualty of the deepening economic downturn:





Westcor withdraws from huge SE Side plan
Developer cites weak economy for halting work on 12,000-acre project

By Rob O'Dell
ARIZONA DAILY STAR
11.25.2008

Giant Phoenix mall developer Westcor said Monday that it is pulling out of a master plan to develop more than 12,000 acres on the Southeast Side — the latest and largest casualty of a nose-diving economy. Citing the speed at which the national economy has unraveled and the unprecedented crisis in the credit markets, Westcor decided it would be best to step back from planning what one city official once called "a second city" flanking South Houghton Road.

The move comes as a bit of a surprise because, despite the flagging economy, as recently as two months ago the company met with city officials and residents and indicated everything was a go on the plans for the massive residential, commercial and recreational development. Westcor is walking away from millions of dollars in planning work it has done for the property since it received a permit from the State Land Department in January. Charlie McPhee, senior vice president for development of Westcor's parent company, Macerich, wouldn't say how much the company has spent, other than "millions." But earlier this year, Westcor officials said they would spend at least $3 million to finish the first phase of the planning process for the land, and Deputy State Land Commissioner Jamie Hogue estimated Westcor has spent $2 million to $3 million on the initial phase of development. McPhee said Westcor just finished that initial phase, creating the perfect time to take a step back from the more intensive and expensive second phase that would result in the land being put up for auction. "It seemed prudent to take a step back given the uncertainty in the market," McPhee said. "We completed the initial phase. We're just not going to proceed with the application and the auction because we're uncomfortable with the macroeconomic environment. Now wasn't the time to go to the next step."

Hogue said Westcor and the Land Department decided to put "a hold on the project for now." Although Westcor could re-initiate the development, both Hogue and McPhee said, ultimately the development could be up to another developer who would get the benefit of the studies and planning Westcor has already done. McPhee said Westcor was pleased with the investigative and feasibility work it has done, which will be helpful to "whoever proceeds to auction with that property." Hogue said given the economy and the availability of credit, there might not be any buyers if the land were auctioned soon. "We're delaying it until we have the resources or the private sector has the interest in moving the process forward," Hogue said. "This seemed like an appropriate time to put the brakes on and bring it back when the economy improves."

Westcor developed La Encantada shopping center in the Foothills, in addition to several other high-end shopping complexes, including Scottsdale Fashion Square mall and Kierland Commons, in northeast Phoenix. The 12,000 acres here run from South Harrison and East Irvington roads south to the Union Pacific railroad tracks and east beyond Houghton Road to the Pantano Wash. A large parcel south of the railroad that straddles Interstate 10 is also included. At the time Westcor secured the permit, several Tucson officials said the project would be one of the biggest in Tucson's history, creating a "second city" with residential and commercial development along with open space. The site is so large that it encompasses nearly all the state land in the area and was not expected to be fully developed for 40 years. The land lies mostly within the city limits but is owned by the state, which is overseeing the planning process.

Councilwoman Shirley Scott, who represents the area, said she felt Westcor needed to step back and have the market sort itself out instead of continuing to spend money while the economy is uncertain. Marshall Vest, an economist with the University of Arizona, said he was not surprised to hear the news because of the bad conditions in the residential and commercial markets tied to the credit crisis. Vest said that if there was an auction soon, there would likely be no buyers. "I'm not surprised to see them back out or put things on hold," Vest said. "Unfortunately, this is part of the business cycle we're in. It's going to be a while until the conditions improve."

Jack Camper, Tucson Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce president, said conditions in the business world are such that "nothing would surprise me right now." But he said Westcor is a quality company that is making prudent decisions. "It does not surprise me they would be cautious in a volatile market," Camper said. "It's time to be prudent and cautious. I believe that's what they're doing."
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it's a shame tucson has lost AAA baseball and now the white sox.

i would love to see a new stadium in or near downtown Tucson,
say with a view facing northeasterly so the skyline is in the forefront and the SC mtns in the background. perhaps rio nuevo funds could help, or
the state legis. can try this year to give them the funding mechanism
needed (it was rejected last session.)

perhaps the above stadium, one in Marana, and TEP could provide 3 or 4 teams to sustain spring training in Tucson.
and hopefully at least a AA team could start playing there too.
or a new AAA team (does Tacoma really need a team?!)
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I'm kinda glad Westcore pulled out of that monsterous plan. All it was going to do was add to urban sprawl and the destruction of some beautiful desert in that area. The focus should be on infill projects and trying to create urban neighborhoods like that in and around the downtown area. I would hate to see Tucson turn into another Phoenix.
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Quick question... On the North, west corner of I-10 and kolb, are the they going to build homes there, or a "super target". i hear so many differant things..
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Tucson's new 4-mile, $139M streetcar line--scheduled to open in late 2011 and run until 2 a.m., 7 days a week--will hopefully encourage dense TOD along its route from the UofA Medical Center to the Mercado District west of I-10:



There are hopes that the new travel route of the trolley
will help spur residential and commercial growth downtown.
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If it works like elsewhere, streetcar line could spur downtown growth
By Ed Egger
Inside Tucson Business
November 28, 2008

Tucson’s proposed four-mile-long, 19-stop streetcar system could spur significant development if results here are anything like what has happened in the nation’s first city to create a downtown streetcar system, Portland, Ore. Since Portland’s downtown streetcar system was rolled out in 2001, there has been nearly $3.5 billion in development along the line, including over 10,000 residential units and more than 5 million square feet of non-commercial construction. Those figures come from an April 2008 development report by Shiels Obletz Johnsen of Seattle, which manages transportation projects for public and private clients, prepared for Portland Streetcar Inc., which runs that city’s system.

An Aug. 13 article in the New York Times reports that no fewer than 40 U.S. cities are looking into streetcar systems after seeing the results in Portland. An answer to why downtown streetcar systems may spur development lies in the fact that they enable developers to build maximum-density structures along the line because parking, which requires a lot of space and money, can be greatly reduced, says Gary Oaks of HDR Engineering Inc., project manager for the Tucson streetcar system. For example, information prepared for Portland Streetcar Inc. by E. D. Hovee and Company of Vancouver, which helps coordinate public-private development projects, shows that construction within one block of the streetcar line has moved to 90 percent of maximum allowable density after the streetcar line was built from just 35 percent of maximum allowed density before the system. By contrast, building density three blocks from the system’s line remained at about 42 percent, both before and after the streetcar was launched.

Tucson’s system will connect key points in and near downtown and the University of Arizona and presents a number of future development opportunities. Its four-mile line will begin at the proposed museum district on the west side of downtown across the Santa Cruz River, travel through Congress Avenue and Broadway locations downtown, make stops at the warehouse arts district the Fourth Avenue business district, and the historic train depot before reaching a number of key university stops and then traveling on to University Medical Center.

Because historic neighborhoods around the university have been resistant to any changes that would bring high-density student housing there, the streetcar system may an answer. The university, now with about 38,000 students, is expected to eventually increase enrollment to 75,000. “The university is land-locked and this is an escape valve to provide access for further development,” said Jim Glock, director of the City of Tucson’s Department of Transportation. He said the streetcar line could solve several challenges the university faces as its student population grows—especially parking and housing. If the university and/or private builders construct student housing in areas between the university and downtown, it would no longer be critical for students to have a car or to live on campus. Furthermore, more students living closer to downtown could encourage development of more downtown restaurants, and entertainment there.

Funding of the $139 million streetcar system is only peripherally tied to the Rio Nuevo downtown redevelopment project—the streetcar will use the Cushing Street bridge to reach the area west of the Santa Cruz River and the system will benefit from some of the infrastructure work now being done. In 2004, the Federal Surface Transportation Act of 2004 authorized up to $75 million in federal funds for the project. In order for the city to actually receive those funds, they need to be appropriated by the federal government after a number of planning steps are completed—a step the area’s congressional delegation has committed to getting done. Then in 2006, voters approved an $86 million funding request from the Regional Transportation Authority for the project. The $139 million price tag includes installation of the rail, purchase of the streetcars, construction of a maintenance and storage facility and overhead conductor and creation of the 19 stations where streetcars will stop. Glock said the city is currently in the procurement process to purchase the modern electric streetcars, which will be acquired through a qualification-based, negotiated selection process. There is a 24 to 28-month lead time required for streetcar orders, he said, while the maintenance and storage facility can be built quicker than that.

The streetcars, which have doors that open at ground level and are easily accessible to the disabled, will run 20 hours a day, from 6 a.m. to 2 a.m., seven days a week, and will reach stops every 10 minutes between 7 a.m. and 6 p.m. and every 20 minutes in early morning and evening hours. Seven streetcars will be purchased and each has a 130-passenger capacity—larger than a typical bus. The streetcar system will become part of the SunTran system with the same fees and the ability to transfer to and from buses within the system. But the streetcar will use a ticket purchase honor system much like that used in other cities with light rail systems—patrons purchase the tickets via ticket machines and may be subject to periodic checks by security offers to make sure they have purchased a valid ticket.

Glock said the university has expressed an interest in contributing to SunTran the streetcar system and so that it can use a universal pass via university identification cards, but the university still needs to determine how to pay for this approach. The system, expected to be completed by the end of 2011—about the same time as many Rio Nuevo projects including museums also are targeted for completion—is expected to carry 3,600 passengers daily when it first begins operation, but Oaks pointed out that ridership estimates for systems in other cities “tend to be low.
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Although state funding in the near future is a pipe dream, ADOT is looking at an I-10 bypass west of Tucson to relieve congestion:







I-10 bypass west of city urged
State report recommends it start in Vail, go through Sahuarita, then Avra Valley

By Andrea Kelly
ARIZONA DAILY STAR
11.30.2008

A state report recommends an Interstate 10 bypass be squeezed between — if not encroaching on — Tucson Mountain Park, Saguaro National Park West and Ironwood Forest National Monument. The report says traffic will get so bad on I-10 through the heart of Tucson by 2030 that such a bypass south and west of the city will be necessary to avoid massive congestion. It recommends the state plan to build a bypass that would take traffic off I-10 somewhere in the Vail area and redirect it south of the city, generally through the Sahuarita area, crossing Interstate 19 before running north up the west side of Tucson and the Avra Valley.

Although a final alignment would be determined by further study, the state's preferred corridor is the one between or on the West Side mountain park, national park and national forest lands, which could put it within view of the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum. "I think it's a really bad idea to go forward," said Chairman Richard Elías of the Pima County Board of Supervisors. "We've been pretty clear about how we feel about it in Pima County. There's some important lands and important wildlife linkages there that we need to protect."

The bypass would reconnect with I-10 in Pinal County, likely near the Interstate 8 junction. The route could also act as a bypass for Interstate 19 traffic, which would help reduce traffic on I-10 in Tucson even more, said Greg Gentsch, state transportation department district engineer for Tucson. The state has no money to pay for a bypass, which transportation planners say could cost between $6 billion and $8 billion. In the latest state report, prepared for the transportation department, bypass costs are stated as $40 million to $60 million per mile. The study says if a bypass is approved, the next step would be corridor studies and planning by the Pima Association of Governments and the Central Arizona Association of Governments in Pinal County.

PAG and the state have looked at a few routes similar to the suggested bypass as "study routes" since the 1980s, said Cherie Campbell, transportation planning director at the Pima Association of Governments. "For ADOT to move forward there's a lot more work, a lot more studies that would need to be done," Campbell said. That perspective is echoed in the report recommending the State Transportation Board approve the route. The association has not taken a stance on the proposal. The Pima County Board of Supervisors voted late last year to oppose any bypass routes in Pima County. Even though the state has no money for the project right now, a lot of people assume there will be federal funding for infrastructure such as roads, Elías said. "We have a lot of good projects waiting to be done in local municipalities that will be much better," he said. But planning little by little could help in the long run, Gentsch said. "Long-range planning is a smart thing to do. You've got to start somewhere," he said.

The Tucson District will continue to work on other road projects, such as widening I-10 in Tucson and north to Picacho Peak, Gentsch said, but the state also needs to plan for the future. "If you wait until all these other things are done you never get time to plan ahead," he said. The impetus to study a bypass to take truck and interstate traffic off of the busiest stretch of I-10 through Downtown Tucson first came two years ago from Si Schorr, State Transportation Board member. Schorr is now chairman of the board. His term ends in January. Schorr hasn't asserted that a bypass is the only solution to traffic problems, but asked the state to study whether the option would help congestion on the only interstate through Tucson, which is already being widened to its fullest extent. It is predicted that population growth will mean traffic on I-10 will exceed the road's capacity in Tucson before 2030. "The idea is to start planning this, and even building it, before that date," Schorr said. He asserted that the lack of any other bypass or highways means that, in a disaster, there's only one road out of town. The state conducted several public meetings as part of its study, and sought comment on dozens of potential alignment options for such a bypass.

Public outcry against building an interstate through protected riparian habitats led the state board to drop consideration of routes that would have headed through the San Pedro Valley east of Tucson. That decision, made in March, left two route options: The one recommended to go south and west of Tucson, and another that would bypass Tucson to the east and north, passing through the Aravaipa Valley. All of the proposed routes have drawn heavy opposition throughout the studies. The level of opposition to all the potential routes prompted the latest report, which compares the costs and impacts of building a bypass to building a second deck of interstate above the existing I-10 route through Tucson.

Other state reports have already asserted the need for a bypass to take traffic out of the metro area, but hadn't suggested which single route the board should consider. "Economically, I think it would be bad for Tucson because then people wouldn't stop in Tucson," said resident Beryl Baker, who's been opposed to any bypass. Though interstate and truck traffic is targeted to use the bypass, people still stop in Tucson, she said. "Why do you think you have hotels and stuff along the freeway?" she said. "People say, well it's time to sleep. They stop, they eat." Baker also says a bypass through the suggested area would disrupt the lifestyle of many people who live there, and destroy the ecosystem. "The whole Avra Valley is going to be changed by putting a bypass through there. People moved out there because they wanted to be living where they are not by a freeway," she said.

Albert Lannon, a Picture Rocks resident, agreed. "We have this wildlife corridor that was set up to accommodate the CAP (Central Arizona Project) canal. The bypass, as we make out the route, would have an impact on that wildlife corridor," Lannon said. He worries that federal land, possibly from the national park or monument, would be swapped for state-owned land so the state could use the corridor for the road west of Tucson. "Some of us think that that's been the plan from the beginning, that the whole San Pedro (route) was a diversion," Lannon said. Picture Rocks will not take the plans lying down, he said. "We're not people who live in mansions but we are people who watch out for each other, take care of ourselves, and honor and respect the land we live on," Lannon said.
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The streetcars, which have doors that open at ground level and are easily accessible to the disabled, will run 20 hours a day, from 6 a.m. to 2 a.m., seven days a week
This is good news. I wish the Phoenix light rail system would use similar hours of operation. Right now the light rail is scheduled to end service at midnight.
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^ No, it's not. Sorry, this is retarded. If anything, Tucson needs an EASTERN bypass (loop freeway). In fact, this idea is so mind-boggling Tucson it, um, boggles the mind. The State came up with this idea???? Yes, I know the cost would be lower going west but, holy crap, when is this city going to join the 20th century and realize the 750,000 people that live east of Campbell Avenue need serious transporation help? God, I'm so glad I'm not in that city anymore
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/\ huh? I was talking about the streetcar hours of operation.
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Look at the article above your post. It's concerning a western loop freeway through some of the last, best untouched desert in the Tucson area.

I wish ADOT would coordinate with zoning boards in AZ and try to stop the automobile insanity and try to create real cities. Figure out ways how to build decent cityscapes(it's not hard) and people will leave the cars at home and we can get on with building something sustainable. No more freeways, concentrate on rail and walkable density and get these fat-assed, Walmart/44 Oz. Thirstbuster-drinking blobs out of their cars.

Tucson has so much potential it's insane that anyone is considering this plan or the Aviation Parkway extension, destroying valuable landscapes or intact neighborhoods. It's sad, just sad.
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I've only been in Tucson since September (from LA) and has Tucson ever thought of a long term light rail plan? I'm tired of risking my life at Rondstat. And what is this Rio Nuevo project? Is it that dirt lot on Toole and Grossetta? Tucson has all the potential but right now it looks like Detroit of the Southwest.
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Tucson has potential like your boozed up 2nd cousin that just got out of the slam for the 8th time and never finished the 10th grade. Yeah, he draws really well, or did, but........potential? For what? That's what Tucson is like. It can't anything right. It's still an incredibly corrupt town run by Jim Click, Don Diamond, Humberto Lopez and Grijalva.
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Tucson has potential like your boozed up 2nd cousin that just got out of the slam for the 8th time and never finished the 10th grade. Yeah, he draws really well, or did, but........potential? For what? That's what Tucson is like. It can't anything right. It's still an incredibly corrupt town run by Jim Click, Don Diamond, Humberto Lopez and Grijalva.
and Houston was great...in 1989.
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$78 million Rio Nuevo bond may be issued this month
by TEYA VITU
Tucson Citizen
12.03.2008

The first Rio Nuevo revenue bond is expected to be issued Dec. 30. It will be for about $78 million to pay for various portions of 14 downtown projects, including $10 million for design work for the new Tucson Arena. It will be the first in a projected six Rio Nuevo revenue bonds that will raise about $453 million through 2014 to pay for substantial portions of the Tucson Origins museum complex on the West Side and the Tucson Convention Center, hotel and arena work.

The Rio Nuevo Multipurpose Facilities District Board on Tuesday authorized a bond purchase agreement, which still needs City Council approval that is expected on Dec. 9. "There's no guarantee (a bond will be funded) but we think so," said Bill Hicks, the city's bond counsel. As soon as the council authorizes the bond purchase agreement, underwriters Piper Jaffrey and Stone & Youngberg will shop for bond investors. Hicks expects to know by Dec. 17 if the bond is funded. All the documents will then be compiled and the bond funds should be deposited by Dec. 30 at Wells Fargo Bank, which is serving as the bond trustee, Hicks said.

The $78 million bond, and subsequent bonds, will be repaid with Rio Nuevo tax increment financing derived from sales tax generated downtown and along the Broadway corridor to Park Place. A second bond for about $112 million will likely be issued next summer, with two more bonds following in 2010 and two final bonds slated for 2014, Rio Nuevo director Greg Shelko said. This first bond will pay for design work for the Tucson Arena, the University of Arizona Science Center/Arizona State Museum, Arizona History Museum and Tucson Children's Museum as well as construction at the Depot Plaza parking garage and Clark Street freeway underpass, Shelko said.

Tucson Arena funding, originally set for next year, was moved forward to the first bond because Shelko expects to have a design-build team in place by mid-January to start design work. One new item added since the bond plans were announced in August is a $6.8 million payment on a $14 million city loan made to Rio Nuevo in the early 2000s. The city still awaits bond ratings from Moody's Investors Service, Standard & Poor's and Fitch Ratings to determine precisely how much the first bond will be for and the interest rate that will be charged, Hicks said.


RIO NUEVO BOND
The first Rio Nuevo revenue bond, for about $78 million, will fund the following projects:
• $11.6 million - Depot Plaza garage (under construction)
• $10 million - Tucson Arena design work
• $9 million - Clark Street freeway underpass
• $6.8 million - repayment of city loan
• $6 million - downtown infrastructure
• $5.4 million - mission landfill and archaeology
• $3 million - Mission Gardens
• $3 million - Arizona History Museum design
• $2 million - UA Science Center/State Museum design
• $2 million - Barrio Viejo infrastructure
• $2 million - Barrio Sin Nombre infrastructure
• $1.6 million - Cushing Street bridge and road design
• $1.4 million - Depot Plaza public improvements
• $1.2 million - Tucson Children's Museum design
• about $4 million for interest repayment
• about $7.7 million in reserve as a debt service guarantee

Source: Rio Nuevo
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Seriously, has more money ever been wasted than the Rio Nuevo?
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that freeway bypass is just a stupid idea.... and i just cant beleive that they are still in the "design" phase of all these projects... tucson is just so incompetent. they cant get anything done.
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I think I said it once when this thread started.....

Development + Tucson = confused?

I don't think anything has been built in 35 years, except Marana, Oro Valley, and Ventana Canyon of course.
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