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Old Posted Nov 5, 2009, 3:04 AM
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I'd take the jets back. They're due for a win!
That is exactly what i'm worried about - a one win season. 1win, 81 losses
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Other than Toronto most canadian teams are fairly competitive year in year out.
Poor Toronto .... I am sure they wish they had an NHL team too.
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I found this interesting article and descided to share..

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The Coyotes' attendance figures revealed
by James Mirtle on Jun 3, 2009 7:00 AM CDT


We've heard rumours and rumblings about paid versus announced attendance in the NHL forever – or at least as long as I can remember – but what we've rarely had is an unfiltered look at how many people are going through the turnstiles in some of the league's more troubled markets.

With the Coyotes and Jim Balsillie's latest court filing, related to the Canadian billionaire's request for relocation, the numbers are spelled out in black and white (with yellow highlights):



The key figures of note from this past season? For one, the announced gate figure is an incredible 3,923 higher than the number of people who actually went through the turnstiles for each game, a total pegged at just under 11,000.

The good news? A lot of those tickets that weren't used were at least paid for (this season anyway). Paid attendance figures are actually up significantly from where they were in the first season after the lockout, when the team apparently sold just 11,340 per game and yet announced attendance of 15,570.

The chart shows just how phantom announced figures can be, as there are massive differences between the tickets "distributed" and those "announced." Where those differences come from, however, I'm not quite sure, but there were reports last month that Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes was buying tickets in order to hit revenue sharing targets for much of the year.
The relocation filing, compiled by former CFL commissioner Tom Wright, essentially trumpets the benefits of an NHL team in the "Hamilton Area" and points out the shortcomings of having a hockey team in Phoenix, and there's some interesting polling data in there from each market. A lot of it's not all that surprising (the NFL is popular in Arizona!), but if there's interest (and it's not reported elsewhere), I may get into it next week prior to the relocation hearing June 9.

source: fromtherink.com
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Considering that only 10,943 fans walked through the turnstile on average .. that we could assume that the former owner was buying nearly 2000 tickets to boost numbers, in order to collect league assistance. Plus an additional 800 tickets were distributed free per game.
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2009, 3:10 PM
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MTS Centre has NHL capacity
So says Bettman and commish's word is law

By: Paul Wiecek

4/12/2009 1:00 AM | Comments: 2

It is the Lesson of Jim Balsillie. And the people behind the bid to bring the NHL back to Winnipeg have learned it well.The lesson is this: No matter who you are or how much money you have or how much sense your idea makes, nobody, nowhere, will ever get to play in the NHL sandbox without the approval of commissioner Gary Bettman.

Bettman might be short, he might be twirpy, he might be unlikeable -- all three, actually. But do not make the mistake Balsillie did: Bettman makes the rules.

Had Balsillie followed them, he could have owned three teams right now: the Penguins, the Predators or the Coyotes. But Balsillie opted instead to challenge Bettman, to make the case the NHL is not an autocratic fiefdom, that it should be governed by the same laws and rules as every other business enterprise in this prosperous Western capitalist democracy.

Nice try with that, Jim.

Bettman runs this show and the lesson that emerged from a Phoenix courtroom this year for the backers of an NHL bid in Winnipeg was this: Whatever else you do, follow the rules as they are made and interpreted by Bettman. Want a team for Winnipeg? Maybe he's got one for you -- but it will be at the commissioner's whim, at the time of his choosing and entirely on Bettman's terms.

And there was very good news this week on one of those fronts for the folks who want the NHL back in Winnipeg. One of Bettman's inviolable terms for an NHL team -- indeed, the one that cost us the Winnipeg Jets in the first place -- is the suitability of our city's arena.

And what Bettman made clear this week is this: For all the wringing of hands by NHL backers and opponents alike that Winnipeg's MTS Centre is too small for the NHL, the only opinion that matters in the end says our arena is big enough for him.

Here's what Bettman told the Reuters news agency on Tuesday: "While we play to 93 to 94 per cent capacity, we'd like to play to 100 per cent capacity," Bettman said. "A 15,000-16,000 seat arena might work better in some markets than a 19,000-seat arena."

A 15,000- to 16,000-seat arena? Funny thing -- Winnipeg just happens to have one of those sitting on Portage Avenue, a shiny new building with loads of luxury boxes and precisely 15,002 seats for hockey.

Is it on the small end? Yes, it is. But does it disqualify us for consideration? No, not after that pronouncement.

And what was just as compelling about Bettman's comments this week was what he also alluded to about the 19,000-seat arenas: They can sometimes be a problem more than a solution. I talked to some people this week that have first-hand knowledge of constructing big-time arenas and what they told me was this: Those last couple thousand seats you put in a building are the most expensive to build and least profitable to sell.

Most expensive because they require you to expand out and use more steel and concrete and least profitable because they are the seats furthest away from the playing surface.


Now, if you can sell them out every game, that's fine. But if you're in a place like Ottawa where those nosebleeds often sit empty, two things happen.

First, you're not getting back all that money those seats cost you to construct. And second, you're killing your season-ticket and mini-pack sales if your supply too often exceeds your demand, because people will quickly realize they don't have to take the risk of locking themselves into a ticket package if they can buy one, even a lousy one, on game day.

Put it all together then and the people behind the MTS Centre, and now Bettman apparently, believe Winnipeg's arena just might be perfect for the NHL: Big enough to generate big revenue and small enough to maximize demand.

Now, don't misunderstand, there's still a million reasons why the NHL might not work in Winnipeg. The escalating salary cap makes operating expenses too high; the price tag for relocating a team or buying an expansion team -- which is what Bettman was marketing this week -- is too high; Winnipeggers just won't pay the big bucks for an NHL ticket; whiners who believe change is bad and hate all bold new things speak loudest in this city.

All of that could certainly still be true -- bet the mortgage on the last one -- and any one of those things could still keep the NHL from returning to Winnipeg.

But one thing you can no longer say after this week is that the NHL cannot return to Winnipeg because the MTS Centre is too small.

Because this week, Gary Bettman said it's big enough. And as Balsillie found out, that alone makes it so.

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That’s exactly what Viking has been saying and trying to defect against the MTS Centre for months now in this thread and the the only NHL one in the Canada section.
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NHL commish: Bigger not always better (ARENA SIZE)

here is the actual article link" where Bettman was intervied..

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http://blogs.reuters.com/summits/200...always-better/


"If you want a new National Hockey League team, you’ll definitely need a spanking new arena, or at least one that’s been gussied up in a significant way. But that doesn’t mean it need be a super-sized arena, Commissioner Gary Bettman said at the Reuters Global Media Summit.
“While we play to 93 to 94 percent capacity, we’d like to play to 100 percent capacity,” Bettman said. “A 15,000-16,000 seat arena might work better in some markets than a 19,000 seat arena.”

That’s promising news for Quebec City and Winnipeg, who were once homes to the NHL’s Nordiques and Jets respectively, and are said to be on the league’s potential expansion shortlist. Bettman told Reuters that both cities, and “even Southern Ontario” would be given a serious look if the league were to expand.
Smaller venues are becoming common in pro sports: Major League Baseball’s New York Mets and New York Yankees moved into smaller stadiums this year, and the Canadian Football League’s Montreal Alouettes have thrived since moving in 1998 to a stadium a third the size of its original home.

But though smaller, cosier arenas would be appropriate for cities of Quebec and Winnipeg’s size (both cities have metro-area populations of about 700,000) any new NHL venue would need to seat at the very least 15,000 fans, if not more, Bettman said.

That tidbit will surely help guide the mayor of Quebec, as he looks into building a new arena to draw an NHL franchise. But Winnipeg’s MTS Center, home of the American Hockey League’s Manitoba Moose, fits 15,015 and may be cutting it close for the NHL’s tastes unless it gets an upgrade"
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15,000 is small but doable. Plus i'm sure if the Jets were to move back renovations and upgrades would boost this a bit, maybe 15,500 maybe even 16,000. It might be the smallest arena in the league but I'm sure the fans wouldn't mind.
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no they would just add more boxs witch is were they could make some good coin...
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no they would just add more boxs witch is were they could make some good coin...
Really, just who exactly would be buying these private boxes? MPIC, Hydro, MLCC?
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It's already been shown that Winnipeg has one of the largest corporate bases in the country. You can ignore that all you want, but it won't make it go away.
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Well, it has a few more head offices than some other cities, although still not very many. And they aren't really the kind of head offices that have big entertainment budgets. So it's a fair question. But in my experience Winnipeggers have a lot of pride and it's likely that smaller businesses will pay for boxes that in other cities could be sold only to much larger companies. It's more a question of whether this kind of support is going to be sustained after 5-10 losing seasons when the next recession rolls around. I can't see how Winnipeg could be a worse gamble for the NHL than Nashville or Columbus, though.
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Well, it has a few more head offices than some other cities, although still not very many.

It's quite a lot more than many similar sized cities. It's not Toronto or Calgary, but it isn't really a pittance either.
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Really, just who exactly would be buying these private boxes? MPIC, Hydro, MLCC?
My company splits a box with four other companies, there are 16 seats in the box so we pair up with one company and split the box for 20 games while the other 2 get the rest. For concerts and other MTS events we each get 4 tickets. This is a great way to cut down on costs and still show a few clients a great time.
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Really, just who exactly would be buying these private boxes? MPIC, Hydro, MLCC?
Fine, for people that don't research and always assume, I will post this again; here is the proof.. Winnipeg is number 5 in Canada in the Top 800 companies based in that city.. Larger than Edmonton and Ottawa that have teams.

http://www.financialpost.com/magazine/fp500/list.html


canada's 800 largest corporations:

Winnipeg: 32 + 3 subsitiaries = 35
Edmonton: 25 + 1 subsidiary = 26
Quebec City: 16 + 2 subsidiaries = 18
Ottawa: 15 + 1 subsidiary = 16
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Really, just who exactly would be buying these private boxes? MPIC, Hydro, MLCC?
Well, Moose boxes are between 45-70K ... don't know if this is any indication, but our company is #91 on a waiting list for a box at the MTS Centre as of February 2009 ...

So, they have 48 suites sold + 91 companies on a waiting list ... so that is 139 companies in winnipeg willing to pay at least 45K for a box. I think it's safe to assume that 48 of those would be willing to pay 150K for NHL
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