Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3

[elly63]

Is that you Blackdog?

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by elly63

Is that you Blackdog?

Ha ya definitely Alberta vibes.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Denscity

Ha ya definitely Alberta vibes.

Not Alberta vibes, just plain run of the mill troll vibes, they come from everywhere.

[WhipperSnapper]

The Olympic Stadium continues to be a money pit. It's reminiscent to a Richardson Romanesque Sanatorium. A stunning architectural structure left to rot because of the astronomical cost to adaptively reuse plus the dark history attached to the usage. The grossly inflated demolition costs says it all about deferred repairs to Olympic Stadium. To call it a renovation to bring it up to modern standards would take another half billion minimum. It would still be a dated, modernist era layout.

[J.OT13]

Update on the LeBreton NHL Arena:

https://ottawasun.com/ottawa-senator...ports&tbref=hp

The highlights:

• Sens will not be asking the City to contribute financially to build the arena, but may ask for some sort of PPP, similar to the Sensplex projects (Sens built the community rinks, City rents ice time).
• Sounds like $37 million was the purchase price for the land. Earlier reports said $30 million.
• The Sens were looking at two or three other sites in case LeBreton fell through.
• Sens are hoping to have something to show the fans by the end of the calendar year, presumably a site plan with specific uses and/or renderings.

[trueviking]

I will see it when I believe it...a P3 is not the same as privately funded.

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by trueviking

I will see it when I believe it...a P3 is not the same as privately funded.

Yeah.

It could end up like a hybrid between Seattle's deal and Calgary's.

Scouring for incremental revenues the arena will 'cause' - parking revenues, tax and fee revenue, new developments within a zone, and dedicating it to pay arena costs.

Municipal financing to provide longer term bonds at lower rates.

Right of first refusal to a bunch of planned development sites.

[Djeffery]

BC Place and Olympic Stadium are both important to their city, but it's laughable to suggest either is iconic or important to the rest of the country.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

BC Place and Olympic Stadium are both important to their city, but it's laughable to suggest either is iconic or important to the rest of the country.

The only person who suggested that was Blackdog. But to suggest it isn't iconic to Montreal is ridiculous.

[J.OT13]

Agreed. Olympic Stadium is an icon of Montreal. Ironic though that the tower wasn't even completed (no more than a stump) during the Olympic Games of 1976. It wasn't completed until 1987.

BC Place, though an iconic piece of the Vancouver skyline (and attractive piece since the renovations) would probably not be recognizable to 90% of Canadians.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Agreed. Olympic Stadium is an icon of Montreal. Ironic though that the tower wasn't even completed (no more than a stump) during the Olympic Games of 1976. It wasn't completed until 1987.

The tower itself is a popular tourist attraction and successful business complex.

The original post was some sort of bad attempt at... something

[logan5]

After it hosts a couple Team Canada matches at the World Cup, and a huge round of 16 match, BC Place will be etched into Canadian history.

Olympic Stadium hosted the Olympics 50 years ago, and went downhill from there.

BC Place will be on postage stamps probly. (joking).

[Oilkountry]

I'm not trolling at all. Ive been listening to people on this forum try and convince me an outdated ugly money pit is too important to the fabric of its community for well over a decade. I take a 2 year break and come back to the same argument. I remember comments about tearing down the stadium would be like tearing down the eifflel Tower. Sure it has history, The same level of olympic history McMahon Stadium holds in calgary. We would NEVER be having this conversation about its Olympic history if we were talking about demolition vs renovation at even half this price tag. It would be demolition all day. And that Stadium serves a purpose far greater than the Big O. If we were talking about a 1.3 Billion reno that would attract the Als and MFC into the building i wouldn't have a bad thing to say about it even if the billion dollar roof was a must. But its a billion dollar portion of a roof for stadium with no real purpose past a convention centre, How is anyone justifying this? You could build an MLB Stadium for that amount of money. Its the decision making that really bothers me. Not the stadium or its geographical location. And the people on here acting like its such an icon on the global stage that in itself justifies a billion $ roof. What are we doing here? It doesnt even have a tenant. Its a slap in the face to tax payers. I didnt hear a single thing about partnering with the als and MFC who are both actively looking for a new home. Yes its an emotional response but its not unwarranted. People did everything but set fire to the city when edmonton gave a quarter of that money for rogers place which has had a massive impact to the city. But a billion for the Big O and nobody bats an eye. Its wild. Its actually wild.

[Calgarian]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

I'm not trolling at all. Ive been listening to people on this forum try and convince me an outdated ugly money pit is too important to the fabric of its community for well over a decade. I take a 2 year break and come back to the same argument. I remember comments about tearing down the stadium would be like tearing down the eifflel Tower. Sure it has history, The same level of olympic history McMahon Stadium holds in calgary. We would NEVER be having this conversation about its Olympic history if we were talking about demolition vs renovation at even half this price tag. It would be demolition all day. And that Stadium serves a purpose far greater than the Big O. If we were talking about a 1.3 Billion reno that would attract the Als and MFC into the building i wouldn't have a bad thing to say about it even if the billion dollar roof was a must. But its a billion dollar portion of a roof for stadium with no real purpose past a convention centre, How is anyone justifying this? You could build an MLB Stadium for that amount of money. Its the decision making that really bothers me. Not the stadium or its geographical location. And the people on here acting like its such an icon on the global stage that in itself justifies a billion $ roof. What are we doing here? It doesnt even have a tenant. Its a slap in the face to tax payers. I didnt hear a single thing about partnering with the als and MFC who are both actively looking for a new home. Yes its an emotional response but its not unwarranted. People did everything but set fire to the city when edmonton gave a quarter of that money for rogers place which has had a massive impact to the city. But a billion for the Big O and nobody bats an eye. Its wild. Its actually wild.

Agree with this 100%

[phone]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

I'm not trolling at all. Ive been listening to people on this forum try and convince me an outdated ugly money pit is too important to the fabric of its community for well over a decade. I take a 2 year break and come back to the same argument. I remember comments about tearing down the stadium would be like tearing down the eifflel Tower. Sure it has history, The same level of olympic history McMahon Stadium holds in calgary. We would NEVER be having this conversation about its Olympic history if we were talking about demolition vs renovation at even half this price tag. It would be demolition all day. And that Stadium serves a purpose far greater than the Big O. If we were talking about a 1.3 Billion reno that would attract the Als and MFC into the building i wouldn't have a bad thing to say about it even if the billion dollar roof was a must. But its a billion dollar portion of a roof for stadium with no real purpose past a convention centre, How is anyone justifying this? You could build an MLB Stadium for that amount of money. Its the decision making that really bothers me. Not the stadium or its geographical location. And the people on here acting like its such an icon on the global stage that in itself justifies a billion $ roof. What are we doing here? It doesnt even have a tenant. Its a slap in the face to tax payers. I didnt hear a single thing about partnering with the als and MFC who are both actively looking for a new home. Yes its an emotional response but its not unwarranted. People did everything but set fire to the city when edmonton gave a quarter of that money for rogers place which has had a massive impact to the city. But a billion for the Big O and nobody bats an eye. Its wild. Its actually wild.

Okay fine you can make the economic argument for keeping it or tearing it down, but that doesn't affect it's Landmark status? Would you say the Astrodome isn't a landmark because it's a mothballed has-been next door to a shiny new stadium? Or is this really just a French thing?

[Calgarian]

Only 2 more full hockey season before the puck is dropped in the Fireplace!

[Hackslack]

Perhaps the hundreds of millions should have been spent to at least repurpose it. Surely if Maple Leaf Gardens can do it that, something not nearly as significant like the Big O should be as well?

Who knows, it’s 5000km away from me, in a sovereign nation within Canada and therefore a different culture, and obviously means more to Montreal/Quebec for it to sit without a permanent.

Hopefully the Grey Cup can at least find its way back there.

[MalcolmTucker]

Is this rendering still as much as we know about bowl reconfigurations of Olympic Stadium?


Source: Populous + A via https://www.sbp.de/app/uploads/2024/...-2048x1152.jpg

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Is this rendering still as much as we know about bowl reconfigurations of Olympic Stadium?


Source: Populous + A via https://www.sbp.de/app/uploads/2024/...-2048x1152.jpg

That would be wonderful. I'm still baffled that Montreal did not get any games for the World Cup.

Montreal built the entire Expo 67 site and exhibitions (including building artificial islands that remain today) in like 5 years...

Canada was awarded the World Cup co-host slot like over a decade ago, and Montreal couldn't pull off a football/soccer renovation for Olympic Stadium during that time?

I think it's shameful that Montreal was left out of the mix, as Montreal would have added a unique, French Canadian element to the 2026 World Cup, much like Mexico is adding a unique latino element to the the tournament.

They had enough time time to get it done, but no vision, and no execution.

Personally, I think a football/soccer re-design is the only viable solution for Olympic Stadium. The MLB will probably never accept the return of the Expos to Montreal without a new ballpark, and the Big O is simply far too big for a minor baseball league team, which would be great to see back in Montreal.

[ericmacm]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

That would be wonderful. I'm still baffled that Montreal did not get any games for the World Cup.

Montreal built the entire Expo 67 site and exhibitions (including building artificial islands that remain today) in like 5 years...

Canada was awarded the World Cup co-host slot like over a decade ago, and Montreal couldn't pull off a football/soccer renovation for Olympic Stadium during that time?

I think it's shameful that Montreal was left out of the mix, as Montreal would have added a unique, French Canadian element to the 2026 World Cup, much like Mexico is adding a unique latino element to the the tournament.

They had enough time time to get it done, but no vision, and no execution.

Personally, I think a football/soccer re-design is the only viable solution for Olympic Stadium. The MLB will probably never accept the return of the Expos to Montreal without a new ballpark, and the Big O is simply far too big for a minor baseball league team, which would be great to see back in Montreal.

Montreal was not left out in the World Cup, they initially wanted to host but had to withdraw because the province didn’t want to pay for it.