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Old Posted Nov 17, 2015, 2:42 PM
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What would happen if our laws on train crashworthiness were that of Europe's?

Either thousands more freight trains (take a single train and split it into about 20) or tens of thousands more trucks (remove the freight from the rails entirely).

If you just change the rule for passenger trains, they'd get crunched just as easily as a car when going up against a North American freight.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2015, 3:22 PM
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Either thousands more freight trains (take a single train and split it into about 20) or tens of thousands more trucks (remove the freight from the rails entirely).

If you just change the rule for passenger trains, they'd get crunched just as easily as a car when going up against a North American freight.
What difference would it make if a train got hit by another train thats 400m long rather than 4km? I can't imagine there being much.

There's a reason European railways are much safer than North American ones, despite being orders of magnitude busier and with less tough crash regulations. It's because they are properly regulated and the tracks and maintenance is nationalised. In North America we have private monopolies operating above normal laws, and have shown time and time again how unsuited they are for running such a vital part of our infrastructure.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2015, 3:55 PM
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What difference would it make if a train got hit by another train thats 400m long rather than 4km? I can't imagine there being much.

There's a reason European railways are much safer than North American ones, despite being orders of magnitude busier and with less tough crash regulations. It's because they are properly regulated and the tracks and maintenance is nationalised. In North America we have private monopolies operating above normal laws, and have shown time and time again how unsuited they are for running such a vital part of our infrastructure.
Didn't we try that with CN?

If all lines were nationalized in Canada, would this make things better for VIA and any other passenger service?
Would this lead to less freight trains?
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2015, 4:07 PM
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Didn't we try that with CN?

If all lines were nationalized in Canada, would this make things better for VIA and any other passenger service?
Would this lead to less freight trains?
It would allow the country to maintain and operate vital infrastructure in a safe way that is beneficial to the provinces and nation as a whole, rather than just CP, CN etc. Depending on the model that is followed, private rail companies would still operate on the tracks, but they would compete with each other for rights to paths on the line through a government body.
     
     
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Metrolinx moving ahead with getting approvals for railbridge in the junction..

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/...ad-with-giant-davenport-rail-bridge.html



All part of regional express (RER) and electrification plans for GO Transit.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2015, 3:01 AM
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Metrolinx moving ahead with getting approvals for railbridge in the junction..

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/...ad-with-giant-davenport-rail-bridge.html



All part of regional express (RER) and electrification plans for GO Transit.

LLooking at the link, and then looking at the links within the article, this reads well.

Toronto, and the GTA on a whole is doing transit right. Well, commuter transit and regional rail. They are fixing the local transit as well.

Montreal is doing well. Now, if only GVA would smarten up with their commuter rail system.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2015, 3:04 AM
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LLooking at the link, and then looking at the links within the article, this reads well.

Toronto, and the GTA on a whole is doing transit right. Well, commuter transit and regional rail. They are fixing the local transit as well.

Montreal is doing well. Now, if only GVA would smarten up with their commuter rail system.
Everything in Vancouver is regrettably a standoff.

Province thinks letting the people decide if they want to pay more is nonsense and TransLink is as cash-strapped and efficiently run as they can get.
     
     
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Everything in Vancouver is regrettably a standoff.

Province thinks letting the people decide if they want to pay more is nonsense and TransLink is as cash-strapped and efficiently run as they can get.
So, make it a user pay system.Increase fares to cover the costs to run more trains and to run more routes.
Yes, GO is subsidized from the province, but, the fares are a a rate that people are willing to pay, and at a rate that they also cover some of the costs.
     
     
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London Rapid Transit

Conceptual LRT on Richmond. One lane.



Seeing this makes me cringe, but change is usually good. This will take the buses off the road which usually block the right lane. Also left turns will be eliminated which usually blocks the left lane.

As long as taxis / delivery trucks don't randomly stop on the road it might flow somewhat ok. More people will be encouraged to take transit which might help reduce the growth of traffic volume.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2015, 4:33 AM
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The other platform should be moved opposite of the turning lane...
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2015, 7:46 AM
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What difference would it make if a train got hit by another train thats 400m long rather than 4km? I can't imagine there being much.
There's a significant difference. While the destruction wroth by the kinetic energy of the impact alone wouldn't be reduced enough to prevent casualties that isn't the only thing your dealing with in the freight train collision. A reduction by 10 in the length of a freight train corresponds to an order of magnitude less total of dangerous goods possibly being involved in a derailment.

However there's a good reason why we don't do rail the way they do it in Europe. It's often because we simply can't or rather we would be at an economic disadvantage if we did. And the reason why we have these mile plus long freight trains in the first place is because of our geography. Shipping is by far the most efficient form of freight transportation over longer distances. But unlike Europe we are largely a land locked nation. That is, to move goods from east to west we must do it by land and most of our population centers are not accessible or easily accessible by sea. We have few port facilities unlike Europe. The next best alternative for moving large amounts of goods is rail transportation. And the railways have evolved over time to operate as efficiently as possible. Hence the reason for these massive trains and this is also why the freight railways are as powerful as they are, because as much as we may hate them for a multitude of reasons(believe me I do too), they are huge drivers of our economy.

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If all lines were nationalized in Canada, would this make things better for VIA and any other passenger service?
Would this lead to less freight trains?
There woulb be no point in nationalizing all the rail lines in Canada. Why should we nationalize a line where passenger trains does not and will not operate on? Less the half of the 30,000+ miles of mainline track in Canada have any kind of passenger service and if you were to discount the token VIA tourist services, really only about 10% is vital for passenger service. Again, we're not Europe. We only have a fraction of the population density that they have. Higher forms of transit do not make sense on the vast majority of our rail lines and again it would not be economically feasible. The only thing that needs to done is to purchase lightly used freight lines around and between large metro's as GO/ML has done in the GTA. If that's not possible then new track should be built around/between the our major cities i.e Toronto/Ottawa/Montreal, Edmonton/Calgary.

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It's because they are properly regulated and the tracks and maintenance is nationalised.
The situation is quite different in the GTA where Metrolinx, a crown agency of the province of Ontario, owns and operates and maintains nearly all the tracks(over 80%) in the GTA. These lines are by far the busiest in Canada by number of train movements.

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Old Posted Nov 18, 2015, 11:52 PM
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Taxelco Téo, Montreal electric taxi fleet, to start 3-month trial run
Company aims to eventually get 2,000 electric cabs on city streets

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/electric-taxis-montreal-taxelco-teo-cabs-fleet-1.3324316
     
     
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London Rapid Transit

Conceptual LRT on Richmond. One lane.



Seeing this makes me cringe, but change is usually good. This will take the buses off the road which usually block the right lane. Also left turns will be eliminated which usually blocks the left lane.

As long as taxis / delivery trucks don't randomly stop on the road it might flow somewhat ok. More people will be encouraged to take transit which might help reduce the growth of traffic volume.
One lane each way for such a major artery is a bad idea for several reasons. One that should be obvious is emergency vehicle access. What happens during rush hour when an ambulance needs to get through? Nobody will be able to move over.

Another issue is congestion. I don't see traffic decreasing all that much with LRT along Richmond if buses are eliminated. It will end up being like a TTC streetcar route. Traffic will end up in massive queues, with nobody able to pass each other, and some traffic will spill onto parallel streets.

I'd rather see Richmond retain two lanes each way along with LRT tracks. (Without LRT I'd be in favour of 3 lanes per direction)
     
     
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One lane each way for such a major artery is a bad idea for several reasons. One that should be obvious is emergency vehicle access. What happens during rush hour when an ambulance needs to get through? Nobody will be able to move over.
Why wouldn't the ambulance just drive on the LRT's lane when needed? Just because private vehicles aren't permitted to doesn't prevent authorized exceptions.

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Another issue is congestion. I don't see traffic decreasing all that much with LRT along Richmond if buses are eliminated. It will end up being like a TTC streetcar route. Traffic will end up in massive queues, with nobody able to pass each other, and some traffic will spill onto parallel streets.

I'd rather see Richmond retain two lanes each way along with LRT tracks. (Without LRT I'd be in favour of 3 lanes per direction)
Congestion is a bad thing when there's no alternative option available, but it's a good thing when there are faster and more efficient options. The recipe for strong transit ridership (and other correlated benefits) isn't simply investment in the transit system; it's for the transit system to be more attractive than the alternative for reasons such as traffic congestion or parking cost/supply. Adding a wonderful and efficient but costly transit option is a wasted opportunity if it's done as an "extra" on top of auto infrastructure rather than for it to replace some auto infrastructure.
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Why wouldn't the ambulance just drive on the LRT's lane when needed? Just because private vehicles aren't permitted to doesn't prevent authorized exceptions.


Congestion is a bad thing when there's no alternative option available, but it's a good thing when there are faster and more efficient options. The recipe for strong transit ridership (and other correlated benefits) isn't simply investment in the transit system; it's for the transit system to be more attractive than the alternative for reasons such as traffic congestion or parking cost/supply. Adding a wonderful and efficient but costly transit option is a wasted opportunity if it's done as an "extra" on top of auto infrastructure rather than for it to replace some auto infrastructure.
I'm not sure how exactly London plans to separate the LRT from the other lanes, but if it's like what I've seen in Toronto with Spadina Ave or The Queensway, I don't think an ambulance or fire truck could easily move into the LRT lane.

Also, the alternative routes to Richmond Street to get downtown from the north aren't particularly viable. Western/Wharncliffe Road is already horribly congested, and that leaves Adelaide Street, which I'm not as familiar with but someone else might be able to indicate what that's like at rush hour.
     
     
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Based on the above rendering, there's nothing separating the lanes other than at the station.

The fact that the other nearby streets are also highly congested sounds like a wonderful thing! That means the has a chance of being quite popular and for car users to actually have some incentive to try something different.
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Based on the above rendering, there's nothing separating the lanes other than at the station.

The fact that the other nearby streets are also highly congested sounds like a wonderful thing! That means the has a chance of being quite popular and for car users to actually have some incentive to try something different.
The fact that the catenary poles are in the centre of the ROW, as opposed to the sides, means that it would be difficult for an EMS vehicle to drive down the ROW at speed.

Of course, we shouldn't read into this too much, since it's just a preliminary rendering. During the EA, it's up to a spokesperson from EMS to point this out.
     
     
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Based on the above rendering, there's nothing separating the lanes other than at the station.

The fact that the other nearby streets are also highly congested sounds like a wonderful thing! That means the has a chance of being quite popular and for car users to actually have some incentive to try something different.
Maybe we need to go back to building "rapid transit" that actually is grade separated?????
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