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what exactly are they thinking of doing?
They're thinking of getting some magic fairy to pay for it.
     
     
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it will have a trader joe's though
That's the one consolation for me. This is my neighborhood and for groceries, we generally walk to the Jewel-Osco in River Forest or the Whole Foods at Harlem and Lake. I'll be happy to have another option.

But as for the building, completely hideous. I don't know what Oak Park's deal is, but the mid-rises that get approved tend to look like utter crap. I feel the same way about the Colt Block proposals. None of them are particularly inspiring to me. They make Block 37 seem charming.
     
     
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That's the one consolation for me. This is my neighborhood and for groceries, we generally walk to the Jewel-Osco in River Forest or the Whole Foods at Harlem and Lake. I'll be happy to have another option.

But as for the building, completely hideous. I don't know what Oak Park's deal is, but the mid-rises that get approved tend to look like utter crap. I feel the same way about the Colt Block proposals. None of them are particularly inspiring to me. They make Block 37 seem charming.
I think a lot of Oak Parkers know they got a turkey here. Part of the problem is that the previous village administration stifled development in an incredibly incompetent way, giving the village the worst of both worlds--not much good new development but a lot of really nasty new development that was heavily subsidized by the village. There's also a resident architect, Schiess, who is responsible for a lot of the new stuff from the past decade (not this Whiteco behemoth though). I don't exactly know why developers refuse to suggest any palatable buildings in Oak Park, even when the village explicitly tells them to try some interesting contemporary architecture. The next wave of new development will be the Colt building, the almost-vacant building on Lake and Forest (there's a 13-story proposal here), the thing wrapping around the SE corner of Oak Park and South Blvd., and Madison and Highland, plus whatever other parcels the village can find developers for on Madison. You're right, the proposals for the Colt building look like lifestyle centers.

Unfortunately, things like this Whiteco building make it that much harder for decent buildings to go up. Whiteco will turn out to validate a lot of residents' concerns. It is seriously nasty. Thankfully people there seem to be pretty pro-development now and hopefully can keep in mind more pleasant, if bland, new buildings like the one across from the Colt and the one that replaced the Marlac.
     
     
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So then they are planning to cover the tracks in Grant park as well? That would make it look so much better because right now those tracks on such and eyesore and really take away from the look of the park. It looks more like a railyard than a park sometimes! How soon is that planned to happen and what exactly are they thinking of doing?
There really isn't a good timeline out there but if you study the construction of the new station (which is crawling along) they are definitely planning for it. If we can come out of this little housing funk and the south loop can develop a little bit more (lots of empty retail spaces) i think the bridging would be offered as part of GP3 & GP4 much the way other central station parks have been wholly or partially subisdized by central station.

With regards to the tracks south of roosevelt and gateway, that is more complicated. Central station donated the air rights between the museum park towers (1, 2, 3, 4 & OMP) and LSD from roosevelt to 14th. So the city actually owns this air. This was done with the understanding that once the air rights south of 14th were starting development the city would build a "green link" to the gateway development. Central Station owns all the air rights above the tracks south of 14th in a transaction with metra in 2007. In addition, although it is not clear in the book, the development is linked to the fate of the St. Charles Airline Railroad relocation.

In addition, they (Central Station) would build the pedestrian bridge linking northerly island, soldier field and gateway. They would add an LSD 18th street exit to connect to indiana at 15th street. The buildings would have 5,000 residential/hotel units; 500,000 feet of retail space and 2 million square feet of office buildings. They are preliminarily using SMWM out of San Fran. The total development is estimated at $4 billion. It would be developed as "the most environmentally sensitive development in the world..." and fogelson, with no ambiguity, states that if chicago were to get the olympics, this would be that big urban project that olympic cities undertake after getting the games.

These ideas were from the 2008 version of fogelson's book, considering the guy is a bajillionaire and i live off a street honorarily named after him, i'm going to say he knows what he is doing.
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and fogelson, with no ambiguity, states that if chicago were to get the olympics, this would be that big urban project that olympic cities undertake after getting the games.
at least the developer himself is backing me up!
     
     
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I think a lot of Oak Parkers know they got a turkey here. Part of the problem is that the previous village administration stifled development in an incredibly incompetent way, giving the village the worst of both worlds--not much good new development but a lot of really nasty new development that was heavily subsidized by the village. There's also a resident architect, Schiess, who is responsible for a lot of the new stuff from the past decade (not this Whiteco behemoth though). I don't exactly know why developers refuse to suggest any palatable buildings in Oak Park, even when the village explicitly tells them to try some interesting contemporary architecture. The next wave of new development will be the Colt building, the almost-vacant building on Lake and Forest (there's a 13-story proposal here), the thing wrapping around the SE corner of Oak Park and South Blvd., and Madison and Highland, plus whatever other parcels the village can find developers for on Madison. You're right, the proposals for the Colt building look like lifestyle centers.

Unfortunately, things like this Whiteco building make it that much harder for decent buildings to go up. Whiteco will turn out to validate a lot of residents' concerns. It is seriously nasty. Thankfully people there seem to be pretty pro-development now and hopefully can keep in mind more pleasant, if bland, new buildings like the one across from the Colt and the one that replaced the Marlac.
Interesting how all 3 of Evanston, Oak Park, and Hyde Park are gradually coming around to favoring density and development after seeing the near decimation of stagnation that NIMBYism hath wrought. Evanston is fathest along of course, but until the old vanguard dies, all 3 will still face significant impediments to quality development. Does Oak Park also have several monuments to NIMBYism like Hyde Park's St. Stephen's church, Doctor's Hospital, McMobil, or did they never get that bad?
     
     
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nice shot. that intersection will be much improved from surface lots and a gas station or whatever that was
     
     
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Interesting how all 3 of Evanston, Oak Park, and Hyde Park are gradually coming around to favoring density and development after seeing the near decimation of stagnation that NIMBYism hath wrought. Evanston is fathest along of course, but until the old vanguard dies, all 3 will still face significant impediments to quality development. Does Oak Park also have several monuments to NIMBYism like Hyde Park's St. Stephen's church, Doctor's Hospital, McMobil, or did they never get that bad?
Well, first, I disagree with you at least about the Doctor's Hospital; I think Hyde Park could stand to focus on areas that aren't as necessarily dismal as 58th and Stony, like along 55th and 53rd. The neighborhood could sure use some more hotels, but it doesn't make sense to me to locate them in the boonies of the neighborhood. Harper Court seems more logical. I would love to see that depressing block on the south side of 55th between Kimbark and Woodlawn replaced.

Anyway, the albatross in Oak Park is the Colt Building downtown, a confusing mishmash with an ugly face on Lake Street and an elegant old one on Westgate. The Village hemmed and hawed and finally hired consultants, who told them the Colt was unsalvageable. Everybody agrees it has to be replaced, but the development is contentious because it will include not only the footprint of the Colt Building, but also another building across Westgate and a large parking lot by the Harlem Green Line, so it will change the face of downtown Oak Park. They whittled it down to two developers, Centrum and Avalon Bay, both of whom immediately asked for $40 million in TIF funds to build something that looks like it belongs in Schaumburg. A downtown pedestrian mall on Marion St. was recently re-streeted, which may or may not have increased business but did eliminate the main downtown public space.

Other than that, there have actually been pretty good compromises between preservation and development, like a plan to demolish a nice 1920s building on Oak Park and South Blvd. that has morphed into a plan for an L-shaped building to surround it instead. A bunch of projects have either been put on hold or crashed due to the economy. As candidate parcels downtown dwindle, the focus is shifting to Madison, which has an obscene amount of vacant land. The Village would like to capitalize on the revitalization of Madison in Forest Park on the other side of Harlem.

I don't think this is about the "old guard" being replaced with new people but rather the old guard coming around to the need for change (with the assistance of a property tax onslaught). Oak Park's old timers, after all, are the people who came up with some innovative ways to save the place in the 60s and 70s without resorting to Hyde Park-style clear-cutting. The local paper has been staunchly pro-development for some time despite being mostly run by people who have lived in Oak Park for 30+ years. Also, the older boomers are eager to find places in Oak Park to downsize to. They don't want to be priced out.
     
     
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There really isn't a good timeline out there but if you study the construction of the new station (which is crawling along) they are definitely planning for it. .
What evidence do you see for this in the new station?

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I don't think this is about the "old guard" being replaced with new people but rather the old guard coming around to the need for change (with the assistance of a property tax onslaught). Oak Park's old timers, after all, are the people who came up with some innovative ways to save the place in the 60s and 70s without resorting to Hyde Park-style clear-cutting. The local paper has been staunchly pro-development for some time despite being mostly run by people who have lived in Oak Park for 30+ years. Also, the older boomers are eager to find places in Oak Park to downsize to. They don't want to be priced out.
It's a good point, a few of the Hyde Park old-timers finally "got it" when the cold hard demographic facts were presented (e.g. Hyde Park's population being cut in half over the past 50 years). But many still have a 1962 mindset, wherein urban ills are obviously the result of a lack of open space, daylong direct sunlight, and free off-street parking, and an abundance of cheap subdivided apartments. Developing a parking lot into a highrise is thus the ultimate travesty (unless of course it's surrounded by acres of nothing, sort of non-applicable to Hyde Park now luckily).
     
     
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It's a good point, a few of the Hyde Park old-timers finally "got it" when the cold hard demographic facts were presented (e.g. Hyde Park's population being cut in half over the past 50 years). But many still have a 1962 mindset, wherein urban ills are obviously the result of a lack of open space, daylong direct sunlight, and free off-street parking, and an abundance of cheap subdivided apartments. Developing a parking lot into a highrise is thus the ultimate travesty (unless of course it's surrounded by acres of nothing, sort of non-applicable to Hyde Park now luckily).
My experience with Hyde Park is a little more limited, but there does seem to be a lot more paranoia and old-fashioned thinking there. For example while Oak Park is trying to liberalize its liquor laws, a lot of people in Hyde Park are still trying desperately to keep the place as dry and sleepy as possible. Sometimes it's hard to tell whom they fear more, the students or the residents of the surrounding neighborhoods. The presence of the U of C, which is effectively a proxy government in Hyde Park, changes things radically there too; it still seems to have a kind of "neighborhood under siege" mentality. Relations may be strained between Evanston and Northwestern, but they're not as dysfunctional as Hyde Park - U of C.
     
     
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Anyway, the albatross in Oak Park is the Colt Building downtown, a confusing mishmash with an ugly face on Lake Street and an elegant old one on Westgate. The Village hemmed and hawed and finally hired consultants, who told them the Colt was unsalvageable. Everybody agrees it has to be replaced, but the development is contentious because it will include not only the footprint of the Colt Building, but also another building across Westgate and a large parking lot by the Harlem Green Line, so it will change the face of downtown Oak Park. They whittled it down to two developers, Centrum and Avalon Bay, both of whom immediately asked for $40 million in TIF funds to build something that looks like it belongs in Schaumburg. A downtown pedestrian mall on Marion St. was recently re-streeted, which may or may not have increased business but did eliminate the main downtown public space.
That really ticked me off that they wanted $40 million in TIF. First, I think the developers are just trying to milk the city. Second, their designs run from mediocre to bad. I'm glad the downtown target fell through even though it would have been convenient.

I was a Marion St. doubter initially, but I'm impressed how it turned out. Traffic on the street isn't bad and people use the benches. The street is gorgeous and feels alive. The sidewalks are wide and the street can be blocked off for festivals so it isn't really a complete loss of public space.

Since we're talking about Oak Park, does anyone have any information of what's supposed to replace the building with the Original Pancake House and the Certified Grocery store? The building sits on Lake St and Forest Ave. I've heard a hotel may go in there, but I wasn't sure if there were any renderings for the site. Anyone have any info?
     
     
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My experience with Hyde Park is a little more limited, but there does seem to be a lot more paranoia and old-fashioned thinking there. For example while Oak Park is trying to liberalize its liquor laws, a lot of people in Hyde Park are still trying desperately to keep the place as dry and sleepy as possible. Sometimes it's hard to tell whom they fear more, the students or the residents of the surrounding neighborhoods. The presence of the U of C, which is effectively a proxy government in Hyde Park, changes things radically there too; it still seems to have a kind of "neighborhood under siege" mentality. Relations may be strained between Evanston and Northwestern, but they're not as dysfunctional as Hyde Park - U of C.
Yeah, the Hyde Park NIMBYs think U of C is some sort of conspiratorial force out to destroy the neighborhood, when of course U of C is the single entity with the greatest interest in making Hyde Park the most livable neighborhood possible.

57th St is still dry, but there are some bars on 53rd and 55th. There definitely is a concern about becoming the entertainment district for the whole south side, and frankly I don't think that concern is unjustified: as long as that concern doesn't translate into stagnation, as it often does with the HP NIMBYs (see the atrociously deteriorated and embarrassing St. Stephen's church)
     
     
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This two-tower office project by Fifield is on the Preliminary Plan Commission agenda this month...

It will be interesting to see if he can actually launch the first this year completely on spec. as claimed...
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This is going to make a lot of people VERY VERY HAPPY!

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(Crain’s) — A North Shore condominium developer known for his midrise towers in Skokie and Evanston is working on plans for a hotel/condo skyscraper on a prime site in Streeterville two blocks east of Michigan Avenue.

David Hovey, president of Glencoe-based Optima Inc., has a tentative deal to buy a site just north of NBC Tower, 455 N. Cityfront Plaza Drive, from a joint venture that includes Chicago developer Centrum Properties Inc., people familiar with the deal say. The exact purchase price could not be determined, but is between $45 million and $50 million, surprisingly strong given the fierce decline in the downtown market for new, high-priced condos.

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50-plus-story tower for which the site is already zoned....

... 775,300-square-foot structure ...
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Oh no!

This could potentially make a lot of people very, very sad.

Developer closes on Michigan Ave. site
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(Crain’s) — Condominium developer William Warman has completed his $31.3-million acquisition of a key Michigan Avenue development site, financing the purchase with a $5.1-million loan from the seller.

Sources familiar with the property say Mr. Warman continues to seek investors to buy part or all of a 52-story mixed-use tower he wants to build on the site, 300-310 N. Michigan Ave., currently home to a Walgreens, RadioShack and Subway restaurant.

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(Crain’s) — A North Shore condominium developer known for his midrise towers in Skokie and Evanston is working on plans for a hotel/condo skyscraper on a prime site in Streeterville two blocks east of Michigan Avenue.

David Hovey, president of Glencoe-based Optima Inc., has a tentative deal to buy a site just north of NBC Tower, 455 N. Cityfront Plaza Drive, from a joint venture that includes Chicago developer Centrum Properties Inc., people familiar with the deal say. The exact purchase price could not be determined, but is between $45 million and $50 million, surprisingly strong given the fierce decline in the downtown market for new, high-priced condos.

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50-plus-story tower for which the site is already zoned....

... 775,300-square-foot structure ...
Hovey builds some gorgeous buildings. I welcome this addition.
     
     
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David Hovey, president of Glencoe-based Optima Inc., has a tentative deal to buy a site just north of NBC Tower, 455 N. Cityfront Plaza Drive, from a joint venture that includes Chicago developer Centrum Properties Inc., people familiar with the deal say. The exact purchase price could not be determined, but is between $45 million and $50 million, surprisingly strong given the fierce decline in the downtown market for new, high-priced condos.

...

50-plus-story tower for which the site is already zoned....

... 775,300-square-foot structure ... [/I]
This is one of the very last remaining plots on the main branch of the river. Is 50 stories the highest this is zoned for? I have high hopes for this one.

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Sources familiar with the property say Mr. Warman continues to seek investors to buy part or all of a 52-story mixed-use tower he wants to build on the site, 300-310 N. Michigan Ave., currently home to a Walgreens, RadioShack and Subway restaurant.

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wasn't there a horrible render already out there for this location? (and I remember not being very happy with it)
     
     
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David Hovey, president of Glencoe-based Optima Inc., has a tentative deal to buy a site just north of NBC Tower, 455 N. Cityfront Plaza Drive
It'll be great to start filling in those holes. Hopefully this project makes proper use of it's surounding, works with the two-level nature of the site and covers up that blank wall on NBC's base.


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wasn't there a horrible render already out there for this location? (and I remember not being very happy with it)
I vaguely remember that, but it's not on Page 1 and I can't find it. Can someone repost it?
     
     
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