Arbutus: Greenway & Future Streetcar | Proposed

[SOSS]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

I know the city said no more cut-and-cover, but I always thought that the Arbutus corridor would be one where it could be done without disrupting much. Then you'll get rapid transit but without the limitations of at-grade rail, and the greenway can be built on top as well.

Cut and cover is likely the only acceptable mass transit idea for the local residents / business people (tunnel preferred too) however I think this corridor is perfect for ground level LRT with underground sections in key areas under key intersections. Capital costs to establish a ground level LRT within an existing corridor like this is far less than other alternatives. Yes, operating such a route would cost more.

[GlassCity]

Originally Posted by SOSS

Cut and cover is likely the only acceptable mass transit idea for the local residents / business people (tunnel preferred too) however I think this corridor is perfect for ground level LRT with underground sections in key areas under key intersections. Capital costs to establish a ground level LRT within an existing corridor like this is far less than other alternatives. Yes, operating such a route would cost more.

I don't think this is the place to argue technologies, I just meant to say it would probably be a good middle ground between the cost of boring and the neighbourhood's own vision for the corridor.

[SOSS]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

I don't think this is the place to argue technologies, I just meant to say it would probably be a good middle ground between the cost of boring and the neighbourhood's own vision for the corridor.

[officedweller]

Of interest:

CP Rail forms joint venture to develop surplus real estate
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle22533486/

[officedweller]

Judge sides with CP Rail in Arbutus line battle
http://www.cknw.com/2015/01/20/judge...s-line-battle/

In today’s ruling, a judge stated the gardeners, pedestrians, cyclists and drivers who have been using the corridor have no right to be using it this way.

http://www.news1130.com/2015/01/20/v...utus-corridor/

[red-paladin]

Go CPR Go!

Also, I thought that CPR created Marathon for the purpose of disposing of real estate already?

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Judge sides with CP Rail in Arbutus line battle
http://www.cknw.com/2015/01/20/judge...s-line-battle/



http://www.news1130.com/2015/01/20/v...utus-corridor/

i cant say I'm surprised. common sense would have told you that the city would loose. "lets sue CP for fixing their rail corridor to use as a rail corridor after we made CP unable to develop it into anything else except as a rail corridor." yeah, there's sound logic. god damn idiots in city hall.

[TransitJack]

I suggest that this may spur (pun intended) a better offer from the City.

If CP goes forward and reconditions the line (at great expense) to store rail cars (which is BS, since they have shut down yards nation-wide to cut costs, sold off locomotives, and ditched surplus cars -- hence have no need for such storage), the city would look pretty stupid having only offered $20million.

Hunter is a brash man, but even he reports to the Shareholders... If the city doesn't budge for a few years, then CP will likely come down on their price. Its such a joke the big players bickering like this.

What irks me the most is that the city won't cough up $100 million (I know its a crazy sum, but at least counter with something negotiable) for property that would create an AMAZING pedestrian/cycling route across the whole city, yet they are willing to pay over $150 million to tear down viaducts and create a gridlocked new Pacific Blvd all to accommodate Concord Pacific. Its ludicrous.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by TransitJack

What irks me the most is that the city won't cough up $100 million (I know its a crazy sum, but at least counter with something negotiable) for property that would create an AMAZING pedestrian/cycling route across the whole city, yet they are willing to pay over $150 million to tear down viaducts and create a gridlocked new Pacific Blvd all to accommodate Concord Pacific. Its ludicrous.

I'm not sure I agree with you on spending that kind of money.

Where did you get the $150M number?

Part of the reason they might be treating Concord differently is that Concord Pacific aren't acting like assholes. I know what they are doing is legal, but that doesn't make it smart.

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by red-paladin

Go CPR Go!

Also, I thought that CPR created Marathon for the purpose of disposing of real estate already?

Marathon was the commercial (aka non-railway ROW) real estate property division of Canadian Pacific Limited and was sold off in 1996 to General Electric Capital Group and Oxford Properties. Other divisions set up in the 1960s were CPAir, CPShips, CPTrucking, CPHotels -all sold off since the 1990's.

I'm not surprised to see CP is looking again at doing something with their real estate holdings, since they have prime land like Arbutus Corridor all over North America with tracks they want to abandon & sell off the property or re-develop it.

[red-paladin]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

Marathon was the commercial (aka non-railway ROW) real estate property division of Canadian Pacific Limited and was sold off in 1996 to General Electric Capital Group and Oxford Properties. Other divisions set up in the 1960s were CPAir, CPShips, CPTrucking, CPHotels -all sold off since the 1990's.

I'm not surprised to see CP is looking again at doing something with their real estate holdings, since they have prime land like Arbutus Corridor all over North America with tracks they want to abandon & sell off the property or re-develop it.

Thanks!

[jsbertram]

Let CP fix the tracks & we'll use it for commuter rail again:


from: http://www.oldbike.eu/museum/history...lway-bicycles/


look ma! no hands!
wheee!

[jsbertram]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I'm not sure I agree with you on spending that kind of money.

Where did you get the $150M number?

Part of the reason they might be treating Concord differently is that Concord Pacific aren't acting like assholes. I know what they are doing is legal, but that doesn't make it smart.

Concord is just saying: We won't build the north side of false Creek until you (the city) removes the viaducts (at your expense) to make more room for our condo towers.

Oh, and re-locate the expo and pacific boulevards too (at your expense), so we'll have more land for condo towers.

[s211]

Originally Posted by jsbertram

Concord is just saying: We won't build the north side of false Creek until you (the city) removes the viaducts (at your expense) to make more room for our condo towers.

Oh, and re-locate the expo and pacific boulevards too (at your expense), so we'll have more land for condo towers.

Oh, and here's our financial contributions to your political party.

[GMasterAres]

Originally Posted by s211

Oh, and here's our financial contributions to your political party.

And "we won't be building that park anytime soon.. enjoy the money."

[red-paladin]

Clearing of Arbutus rail corridor to resume Tuesday says CP
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...s-cp-1.2949829

[MIPS]

I can hear people sharpening their pitchforks from here.

[AMTDGT]

Originally Posted by MIPS

I can hear people sharpening their pitchforks from here.

Not that I know anything, but I think CP's plan is to restore the r/w to it original 2 track configuration so that they can rent it back to mayor moon beam when the Arbutus extention is built, so he can follow Surreys lead and put a tram network in.

[Kisai]

Originally Posted by AMTDGT

Not that I know anything, but I think CP's plan is to restore the r/w to it original 2 track configuration so that they can rent it back to mayor moon beam when the Arbutus extention is built, so he can follow Surreys lead and put a tram network in.

I think that's likely what is going to happen. CP puts it back into a 2-track alignment, and then when the Broadway Subway is built, CP goes "Hey look guys, we can rent you this lovely rail right of way." And then sells it to Translink.

The less-optimistic version of the same story is CP decides to start running freight down it, but says "We won't if Translink is willing to buy all the rail capacity."

[dpogue]

Originally Posted by Kisai

I think that's likely what is going to happen. CP puts it back into a 2-track alignment, and then when the Broadway Subway is built, CP goes "Hey look guys, we can rent you this lovely rail right of way." And then sells it to Translink.

The less-optimistic version of the same story is CP decides to start running freight down it, but says "We won't if Translink is willing to buy all the rail capacity."

And then TransLink is the villain for either wasting taxpayer money on a right of way that already parallels the Canada Line, or for not taking CP's offer and failing to stop the freight trains.
Meanwhile, CP and CoV get off with no blame.