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Old Posted Jun 18, 2013, 3:55 PM
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The concepts of "walkability" and "density" need some careful thinking and analysis if we are to understand them in light of current metro developments. Cites and large population centers that are older and did not develop around the auto are essentially different city forms and will continue to be so-called walkable in their core. However, their outskirts, and so-called suburban areas, developed around the auto and share many of the same characteristics as the newer auto-oriented cities like LA, ATL, etc. In reality, most people, in most big metro areas live in these lower density, so-termed less walkable areas. Perhaps it is time to give up on the utopian notions of the "new urbanism" and come to grips with the cities we have and the structural characteristics that define most of them.
I'm a huge proponent of transit and walkability, but the reality in Atlanta is that we are very spread out and this is a weakness AND a strength. Most families prefer a house with some green space.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2013, 3:59 PM
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That's how the lower teams make money. College football is a pretty sordid business. These kids at GSU have no shot at the NFL and they are going to suffer numerous injuries just to get those paychecks from the big schools.
This isn't true. I've seen plenty of big schools with big time players get injured playing "cupcakes". Also, theres a GSU RB in the Falcons camp right now, and last I heard he's doing well.
The lower teams WANT to play the bigger schools. It's how they get their name out, strengthen recruiting, and get better.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2013, 5:05 PM
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^Why are you even still posting in the Atlanta forum? We don't really care what your opinion is. Or, do you have some more "extra special insider information because I'm awesomer than you normal people and I'm super important in the development world even though I'm just a racist 22 year old" you'd like to share with us? Get thee over to City Data, and stay there.

My favorite Simms quotes, lest we forget:
"Atlanta almost made me racist. Atlanta blinded me to what's normal behavior. Only in Atlanta can the "young professional/upscale" areas like Midtown and Buckhead be so ghetto."
"Now I will say that as a white guy with a northern European/Anglo-Saxon background, I am not very comfortable mixing in with the hip hop crowd. Many others with my background feel that certain places in Atlanta have become "overrun" and taken over by rappers. Racist on the surface, but frankly it's natural for both sides to feel skepticism."
"Now I will say that being fairly active in various organizations in the city as a volunteer, I wish that more African Americans were also active."
"Atlanta just seems so slow, hot, dirty, ghetto, crime-ridden and uneducated..."
"I'm done being optimistic, hopeful, and done making excuses for this city/metro."
"The friggin ghetto culture Atlanta is so well known for."
"the fact that you all think I'm some racist asshole for bringing up the term "hood-rich" and my favorite, "ghetto chic," and crime in the city is simply childish at best. "
"No other American city puts as many conservative or lily white hipster Millennials and as many hip hop blacks together in one smallish area as Atlanta."
"there is some rap thing going on downtown, which is where I went to catch a bit of hectic city life, and man is it a turnoff when there are a bunch of rappers in town."
"As a student dropping a boat load of money to attend the school, I for one am glad that I am in my "own little world" on campus rather than interacting with Woodruff park and bums every day."
New poster and frequent reader here.
Guys, please get a hold of your poor egos. Simms is in the real estate business, and this is a construction forum. Whether or not you agree with everything he posts, he has given more substantive and accurate information than plenty of other posters, and deserves credit for that. And although he does not live in the Atlanta area anymore, the balance of his posts are interesting and, more importantly, informed. In my opinion, there are many other informed posters, and more foks who are readers only. Whether or not we as a body of people share opinions with these posters, have identical political views, or see the world the same way as them is irrelevant. If you like personal attacks watch reality TV. If you want uninformed news updates about construction or urban development (or anything, really), there is plenty of this to be had these days on the internet.

Now on the topic of the OFW row houses in inman park, this is an Atlanta favorite. I don't know the business way to say it, but say we called this subdivision-style development a "blind street." A blind street could be any street that MUST be used via auto to get between different areas, and is more crowded than it would otherwise be because of a lack of a grid that could offload some extra traffic. Think of the Druid Hills neighborhood, and Briarcliff road specifically. While there are -cough-gag- I guess several nice things about suburban style development, low-density may be "nice" but it is not sustainable. AT ALL. For small towns this is fine. But in bigger cities, because of these blind streets, things get out of control over time. If you drive up and down briarcliff, the cross roads are poorly spaced, go in circles, and lead nowhere. Hmm, why do you think there so much traffic on Briarcliff then?? There are plenty of other streets across metro Atlanta that are similar. If there was effective mass transportation in these areas (and I'm not talking street-clogging buses), we are fine. If there was an effective grid system, there would be some pressure offloading so that other routes were available. Of course the big thing would be mass transit. But my understanding from reading some about this is that while a druid hills extension was in the original MARTA plans, it was scratched due to NIMBY-ism.

It is well established that, in general, Subdivision-style developments are unsustainable. They come with higher-than expected traffic because they are "destination" developments. As soon as people start coming (or going), traffic slogs to a halt (even though there might only be 10-12 actual PEOPLE in front of you, because when you are in cars the line is LOOONG). Then the commute gets long. Then the development loses business (or homeowners) because there is a new "popular area." Then this orig development is old and busted, falls into disrepair, and becomes an eyesore. lastly, a new 'destination" development is built and Voila! We start all over.

At last, we have reached the point of all this. Atlanta is too big and too busy and has too much traffic to be building NEW relatively low-density buildings. People will eventually go insane living here because of traffic, and the few people left that haven't yet gone insane would wish they had left and gone to a more urban, sustainable place.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2013, 5:05 PM
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^Why are you even still posting in the Atlanta forum? We don't really care what your opinion is. Or, do you have some more "extra special insider information because I'm awesomer than you normal people and I'm super important in the development world even though I'm just a racist 22 year old" you'd like to share with us? Get thee over to City Data, and stay there.

Seriously guys, can we stop with the personal attacks on Simms? Every time he posts, someone just has to twist his words around or call him a racist. I see absolutely nothing wrong with his posts while living in San Francisco and he has contributed more to this forum over the years than just about anyone else here.

Sure he has used some strong words in the past but if I'm not mistaken, was he not jumped and robbed on a marta rail platform? On the Arts Center station nonetheless, a supposed nice part of town. I think he has good reason to vent from time to time.

I am huge Atlanta booster in my every day life but let's not ignore her faults.

Simms: The people who have been attacking you do not speak for the overall forum and just know that there ARE people that still appreciate your posts, regardless of where you live.

Let's all hug it out now.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2013, 5:18 PM
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Poor planning and development (or rather sprawl) doesn't have to be synonymous with suburban. Good development coupled with good planning, regardless of density, can effectively accommodate both the car and the pedestrian, but it should not cater specifically to the car. I absolutely disagree with the idea that we should accept the poor choices of the past and disregard improvement and good development because of previous trends.

I absolutely agree with tommyten09top in that suburban "sprawl" type developments are unsustainable. Most of these communities (not saying all) will not hold up over time and the lack of density, coupled with the lack of other revenue sources for the local governments, will watch them fall into disrepair.

Granted, this is all probably a topic for another forum / thread.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2013, 5:19 PM
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Sorry, just hard not to be off-put by his entitled racist attitude. Anyway, this is the Atlanta CONSTRUCTION thread. I posted relevant construction photos. As per usual, Simms chimes in with criticism. We get it. Atlanta is not San Francisco. That's why he left. For those of us who still live here and are striving to improve the city, just let us be.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2013, 5:30 PM
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Poor planning and development (or rather sprawl) doesn't have to be synonymous with suburban. Good development coupled with good planning, regardless of density, can effectively accommodate both the car and the pedestrian, but it should not cater specifically to the car. I absolutely disagree with the idea that we should accept the poor choices of the past and disregard improvement and good development because of previous trends.

I absolutely agree with tommyten09top in that suburban "sprawl" type developments are unsustainable. Most of these communities (not saying all) will not hold up over time and the lack of density, coupled with the lack of other revenue sources for the local governments, will watch them fall into disrepair.

Granted, this is all probably a topic for another forum / thread.
Thank you!

People outside of the planning field often use the word suburban to define development patterns, when I think they really mean "auto-oriented" or "sprawl." Sub-urban can be quite walkable, as evidenced by Inman Park, Virginia-Highland, or the historic neighborhood's that ring most of the region's town center.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2013, 6:56 PM
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Some midtown construction updates from today.

100 6th Street









Hyatt Midtown







Rapid flash pedestrian crossing at Midtown MARTA Station



Streetscape Improvements



Restaurant updates




     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2013, 9:32 PM
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Thanks for the greart shots, shivtim. Has anyone seen this yet, this is what I think we were all hoping for. It will be an iconic landmark that every NFL city will envy.

http://newstadium.atlantafalcons.com/
     
     
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Some midtown construction updates from today.
Great updates – Can't wait for Dewberry to get off his lazy butt and develop some of his key parcels in Midtown. Midtown Square would nicely complement the new and improved Hyatt hotel renovation.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2013, 10:03 PM
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Seventh

Looks like they have officially broken ground on Seventh (current Starbucks location next to Viewpoint). Curbed outlines an interesting point in this new mid-rise...

"In a move that hopefully sets a precedent, the Seventh project won't include a new surface parking lot for Midtown — or any new parking at all."

Hopefully this will become a growing trend in Atlanta.

http://atlanta.curbed.com/archives/2013/06/17/ground-breaks-on-atls-first-condo-project-in-ages.php
     
     
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^Huh, that's odd. I just walked past that corner, and the Starbucks is still open, with no visible construction. Maybe it's on 7th street and I missed it?

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The Seventh secured funding?

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Looks like they have officially broken ground on Seventh (current Starbucks location next to Viewpoint). Curbed outlines an interesting point in this new mid-rise...

"In a move that hopefully sets a precedent, the Seventh project won't include a new surface parking lot for Midtown — or any new parking at all."

Hopefully this will become a growing trend in Atlanta.

http://atlanta.curbed.com/archives/2013/06/17/ground-breaks-on-atls-first-condo-project-in-ages.php
I thought the Seventh wont be started until it has all the units signed in order to secure funding?
     
     
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New finished 10th street by Hyatt

I am really pissed how the 10th street is done in the corner of the renovated Hyatt. The curb with new cinder blocks were placed at a severe angle!!! This completely eliminates extra walking space or be able to stand without falling toward the street. The sidewalk could have been more leveled in order to make this angled curb more flat! Who approved this to happen? Somebody should be fired for this kind of stupidity.
     
     
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This isn't true. I've seen plenty of big schools with big time players get injured playing "cupcakes". Also, theres a GSU RB in the Falcons camp right now, and last I heard he's doing well.
The lower teams WANT to play the bigger schools. It's how they get their name out, strengthen recruiting, and get better.
We have 3 in the NFL; Christo Bilukidi is a starter for the Raiders (was drafted last year in the 6th round), Jake Muasau is with the New York Giants, and Donald Russell is training with the Falcons right now. Thats as many players in the NFL as GSU has had seasons, which isn't too bad.
Also, we stand to make closer to a million per body bag game, and occasionally teams like ours win (ie,. Middle Tennessee beating Georgia Tech last season, ULM beating Auburn last season, Western Kentucky beat Kentucky last season, all three of those were in Sun Belt last season).
Finally, GSU plays Air Force at home next season, and we should get a lot more big teams at home in the future.
Source: i'm a huge GSU fan.
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So this is the parking lot that the Ferris Wheel is gonna go on a block from my office. At first glance I thought it might be related to the streetcar, cus there's been a lot of that, but there's definitely digging going on. I assume site prep for the wheel.





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I hope you end up falling in love with working Downtown. I have twice in my career, and even though I'm extremely happy to be working from home now, I still miss it.

Hope you take it all in and enjoy everything it has to offer.
And yes Atlantaguy, I'm loving working downtown. The restaurants on broad street and Fairlie Poplar in general are great. Just got a new place near Piedmont and 8th too. Living in Midtown and working Downtown is exactly what I wanted, surprised I got it already considering I just graduated from Tech in May.
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We have 3 in the NFL; Christo Bilukidi is a starter for the Raiders (was drafted last year in the 6th round), Jake Muasau is with the New York Giants, and Donald Russell is training with the Falcons right now. Thats as many players in the NFL as GSU has had seasons, which isn't too bad.
Also, we stand to make closer to a million per body bag game, and occasionally teams like ours win (ie,. Middle Tennessee beating Georgia Tech last season, ULM beating Auburn last season, Western Kentucky beat Kentucky last season, all three of those were in Sun Belt last season).
Finally, GSU plays Air Force at home next season, and we should get a lot more big teams at home in the future.
Source: i'm a huge GSU fan.
Forgot to add Emmanuel Ogbuehi. That's four GSU Panthers in the NFL, over the three seasons of its existence. Kids definitely have a shot if they go to State.
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I am really pissed how the 10th street is done in the corner of the renovated Hyatt. The curb with new cinder blocks were placed at a severe angle!!! This completely eliminates extra walking space or be able to stand without falling toward the street. The sidewalk could have been more leveled in order to make this angled curb more flat! Who approved this to happen? Somebody should be fired for this kind of stupidity.
I know RIGHT! I thought the same thing... WTF?!?!
     
     
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I am really pissed how the 10th street is done in the corner of the renovated Hyatt. The curb with new cinder blocks were placed at a severe angle!!! This completely eliminates extra walking space or be able to stand without falling toward the street. The sidewalk could have been more leveled in order to make this angled curb more flat! Who approved this to happen? Somebody should be fired for this kind of stupidity.
i don't like how they redid the new hyatt at all really— it's just as pedestrian unfriendly as it was before they redid it, only now it has a new façade and there's no hope of getting a better street presence for 20 years or so now. you've still got the wall facing 10th street, no retail presence on 10th or piedmont. half-assed job.
     
     
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New Atlanta stadium website, with AMAZING photos! I'm glad they kept both the circular opening and the large window with skyline views. Fans of the Falcons, GSU Panthers, college football, and (hopefully) an Atlanta Major League Soccer team should be very excited!

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