Tempe Development Thread - Page 368

muertecaza · #**7341** Posted **Dec 6, 2017, 11:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by stutteringpunk

Sorry, I'm having a hard time understanding what/where you're talking about exactly. This is another pedestrian path?

Not another path, just a connection with the existing salt river path. Currently you have to cross McClintock at a crosswalk at a traffic light. They are planning to build an underpass underneath McClintock so you don't have stop at the light and go across the crosswalk. Similar to the underpass recently completed at Priest along the river.

muertecaza · #**7342** Posted **Dec 6, 2017, 11:16 PM**

Red zoning sign is up at the corner of 7th St./Myrtle (just to the east of the recently approved Westin parcel). My phone was dead so I couldn't take a picture, but proposal is 22 story residential project called "The Collective" (which in my mind is second only to "The Hyve" on University for dumb building names). 200+ units on like .4 acres for a residential density of like 600 du/ac. Ground floor retail.

It's too bad they rejected the Newman Center dorm proposal. With Union already built, if this, the Westin and 7th St./Forest proposals were to be built, 7th St. could be pretty awesome.

PHXFlyer11 · #**7343** Posted **Dec 7, 2017, 1:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by muertecaza

Red zoning sign is up at the corner of 7th St./Myrtle (just to the east of the recently approved Westin parcel). My phone was dead so I couldn't take a picture, but proposal is 22 story residential project called "The Collective" (which in my mind is second only to "The Hyve" on University for dumb building names). 200+ units on like .4 acres for a residential density of like 600 du/ac. Ground floor retail.

It's too bad they rejected the Newman Center dorm proposal. With Union already built, if this, the Westin and 7th St./Forest proposals were to be built, 7th St. could be pretty awesome.

This is amazing! Tempe and Phoenix on fire! So many cranes close to going up! With more to follow with projects like this.

muertecaza · #**7344** Posted **Dec 7, 2017, 1:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by PHXFlyer11

This is amazing! Tempe and Phoenix on fire! So many cranes close to going up! With more to follow with projects like this.

Speaking of cranes, it looks like the tower crane for Aura Watermark is finally going up.

Renz · #**7345** Posted **Dec 7, 2017, 1:53 AM**

Speaking of cranes. Anyone have an insider of what's going on with The Pier project, when it's gonna start rollin? last I heard was they're waiting for construction approval.

Getting tired of seeing that sad little crane off the side of the 202.

muertecaza · #**7346** Posted **Dec 7, 2017, 5:52 AM**

Renderings for Farmer Arts Parcel 1:

Obadno · #**7347** Posted **Dec 7, 2017, 3:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Renz

Speaking of cranes. Anyone have an insider of what's going on with The Pier project, when it's gonna start rollin? last I heard was they're waiting for construction approval.

Getting tired of seeing that sad little crane off the side of the 202.

If it takes as long as the Jefferson it should be done around 2025

stutteringpunk · #**7348** Posted **Dec 7, 2017, 5:43 PM**

Those renderings are better than a dirt lot, but it's no office tower

Obadno · #**7349** Posted **Dec 7, 2017, 5:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by stutteringpunk

Those renderings are better than a dirt lot, but it's no office tower

Pretty sure that lot only allows low-mid rise buildings because its west of the train tracks between "downtown" tempe and the farmer residential district.

muertecaza · #**7350** Posted **Dec 7, 2017, 6:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

Pretty sure that lot only allows low-mid rise buildings because its west of the train tracks between "downtown" tempe and the farmer residential district.

Yeah, current zoning is 92' and 50 du/ac. The vocal minority that opposed the previously proposed 13-story building used the need to amend zoning as a way to oppose that project. This one seems to have been designed right up to those limits--85' and 49.9 du/ac.

mdpx · #**7351** Posted **Dec 7, 2017, 10:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Renz

Speaking of cranes. Anyone have an insider of what's going on with The Pier project, when it's gonna start rollin? last I heard was they're waiting for construction approval.

Getting tired of seeing that sad little crane off the side of the 202.

What about this?

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/27/7827-004-0B53BFF0.jpg

muertecaza · #**7352** Posted **Dec 7, 2017, 11:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by mdpx

What about this?

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/27/7827-004-0B53BFF0.jpg

could always use more of those on the lake.

combusean · #**7353** Posted **Dec 8, 2017, 8:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by muertecaza

Yeah, current zoning is 92' and 50 du/ac. The vocal minority that opposed the previously proposed 13-story building used the need to amend zoning as a way to oppose that project. This one seems to have been designed right up to those limits--85' and 49.9 du/ac.

I don't remember the setbacks of the 13-story building, but if maybe Maple-Ash weren't so myopic, they'd get a 2 story building across the street that increased up to that instead of a 6 story hulk that lurked over them.

NIMBYs tend to be really dumb about zoning and urban design for how much they stand by it.

By-right for the win, at least. No way to oppose the letter of the law.

LocoPhoenician · #**7354** Posted **Dec 8, 2017, 9:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by combusean

I don't remember the setbacks of the 13-story building, but if maybe Maple-Ash weren't so myopic, they'd get a 2 story building across the street that increased up to that instead of a 6 story hulk that lurked over them.

NIMBYs tend to be really dumb about zoning and urban design for how much they stand by it.

By-right for the win, at least. No way to oppose the letter of the law.

As someone who lives in the MAFW and across the street from this project and The Local. Part of the problem is the developers of come in and destroy the historic neighborhoods for the same cookie cutters "luxury" developments. They are increasing traffic through the neighborhoods and parking issues.

ASU is destroying the area with the greed of Crow turning ASU into a diploma mill at the expense of the community. But hey we have luxury and more luxury.

PHXFlyer11 · #**7355** Posted **Dec 8, 2017, 9:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by LocoPhoenician

As someone who lives in the MAFW and across the street from this project and The Local. Part of the problem is the developers of come in and destroy the historic neighborhoods for the same cookie cutters "luxury" developments. They are increasing traffic through the neighborhoods and parking issues.

ASU is destroying the area with the greed of Crow turning ASU into a diploma mill at the expense of the community. But hey we have luxury and more luxury.

This is like from the MAFW facebook group, I was hoping one of you would make it here one day!

Please explain what you mean by "come in and destroy historic neighborhoods." I'm really curious to hear specifics. Also, apparently you are accusing Crow of destroying the area with greed? I believe Crow is in the business of selling educations. When folks receive educations, they tend to make more money, thus are willing to invest more in "luxury" accommodations.

That term is still laughable to me, like these places are some swanky marble-floored apartments with butlers. They're merely higher-density. I would by no means classify anything in downtown Tempe as luxury.

You all seem to equate new and density with "luxury." Sorry people with educations that earn a decent income don't want to live in slums.

"Luxury and more luxury" in your book equals new and dense. I suppose you'd prefer somebody some how develop a time machine so they could build an old building on a vacant lot. Your argument simply doesn't make sense. You want them to put in a bunch of 1930s single family homes? It's impossible and no economically viable. You can sit here and fight the market, but you will never win. Winners find a way to take advantage of a good market, not sit back and try to fight it. That's no way to get ahead in life.

Also, the developers and Crow aren't doing anything by force. It's the market that demands more density and it's your neighbors that are selling. Neighbors who are smart and realize that their properties going up in value are not a bad thing.

dtnphx · #**7356** Posted **Dec 8, 2017, 11:39 PM**

Saw this today:

We knew this, right?

Property Sold for $8 Million
Cross-Streets: NEC 7th St & Mill Ave 0.85 acres of land with Tempe zoning CC. -- Proposed for "Westin Tempe," a new 18-story, 290-room hotel with 1,816 SF retail, 1,435 SF restaurant, 12,107 SF conference space, and a 715 SF fitness room. Building totals 276,648 SF. Parking space - 92 onsite, 6 offsite. Note: This project modifies the previously proposed "M7 PAD." Existing 1,808 SF retail building built 1989 to be demolished.