Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2

[Dalreg]

Originally Posted by king10

Very mature. Bridge in brooklyn you own blah blah blah. You sound like donald trump ignoring facts.

Look. I get people from regina think their stadium is absolutely perfect and can do no wrong.

Its a gorgeous facility. Probably the best in canada

Having said that it is not perfect. The permanent lines were a questionable decision and the exterior finishing was average. Average exterior finishing is better than most in Canada, because most stadiums dont even have exterior finishings.

You have an awesome stadium. Its not perfect though. Stop "bitching" when people are discussing in here.

I've never said it was perfect, not once. But it is perfectly acceptable for Saskatchewan and Regina. Seems like the rest of Canada have their knickers in knots over what we have built. Sad day for the rest of Canada when the biggest stadium news is that Regina went with permanent football markings and no matter how much the rest of Canada moans and groans, sleepy little Regina/Saskatchewan won't admit to making a mistake.

It's our stadium we built it and paid for it. So end of story. It has permanent football lines just the way we want it.

[Horus]

Originally Posted by king10

Such was the case for winnipeg and hamilton too though.

Winnipeg maybe, but you know that was not the case for Hamilton.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by king10

Such was the case for winnipeg and hamilton too though.

Frankly I'm not sure why Sask didn't just do it the way Winnipeg did it and do up the field in a way that maximizes flexibility, but at the end of the day they have come up with an approach that makes sense for all of their stadium's users. Let's face it, NMS is 97% about the Roughriders, 2% about amateur football, and 1% about everything else. The stadium's revenues will probably stack up that way.

The WWC has come and gone and won't be back for decades, the U19 WC was in Canada not that long ago and won't be back soon, any WC for Canada is highly speculative and probably at least 25 years off, by which point Sask's turf will have been replaced twice. So again, what are they missing out on? The chance to host a couple of international friendlies that would probably draw far better in Toronto or Vancouver anyway?

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by esquire

Frankly I'm not sure why Sask didn't just do it the way Winnipeg did it and do up the field in a way that maximizes flexibility, but at the end of the day they have come up with an approach that makes sense for all of their stadium's users. Let's face it, NMS is 97% about the Roughriders, 2% about amateur football, and 1% about everything else. The stadium's revenues will probably stack up that way.

The WWC has come and gone and won't be back for decades, the U19 WC was in Canada not that long ago and won't be back soon, any WC for Canada is highly speculative and probably at least 25 years off, by which point Sask's turf will have been replaced twice. So again, what are they missing out on? The chance to host a couple of international friendlies that would probably draw far better in Toronto or Vancouver anyway?

The soccer lines are stupid But at the same time regina just built a 300M stadium with 90% public funds almost exclusively for a football team. While most of the province is okay with this decision I can only imagine some are pissed off about it. Any and all attempts to make it look like a "community event centre" is probably a good move especually right off the bat. Like esquire said any major soccer tourneys are minimum 3-4 years away from Canada/Regina anyway and by then they will demand a new playing surface which im sure will be a blank canvas of green. But I do agree it's a horrible decision. It looks terrible

On another note can I be the first to pitch that rider fans call Mosiac "The grain silo"

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

On another note can I be the first to pitch that rider fans call Mosiac "The grain silo"

That is a grain bin.

These are silos. Ya clod kicking hillbilly!

[WhipperSnapper]

They made their decision. They aren't going to change the turf. Get over the freaking lines. Exterior cladding? Who gives a shit.

[king10]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

They made their decision. They aren't going to change the turf. Get over the freaking lines. Exterior cladding? Who gives a shit.

I don't think its an issue if posters in a stadium construction/ development forum give their opinion on exterior cladding. If things like that are censored by a "who gives a shit" attitude then whats the point of a stadium discussion thread?

The exterior cladding looks decent enough though. Not anything amazing, not terrible either. Like the new arena in QC, some like it, some are indifferent to it.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Horus

Winnipeg maybe, but you know that was not the case for Hamilton.

The stadiums in Ottawa and Hamilton (while I am happy that they are there) vs. Regina and Winnipeg, really give one a very good idea of the "prestige" level the CFL has in Ontario vs. the West.

[king10]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The stadiums in Ottawa and Hamilton (while I am happy that they are there) vs. Regina and Winnipeg, really give one a very good idea of the "prestige" level the CFL has in Ontario vs. the West.

No doubt. The West has larger capacities and more impressive stadiums and bigger budgets.

You can see where the strength of the league is.

Hopefully Calgary gets their act together and builds something impressive.

This thread may get pretty quiet with only Moncton under construction.

[drummer_god]

When does construction begin on the senator's new arena?

[esquire]

Originally Posted by king10

This thread may get pretty quiet with only Moncton under construction.

Good point, so what is coming down the line out there? Here's what I recall off the top of my head:

Almost Done
-New Mosaic Stadium
-Rogers Place
-Place Bell

Under Construction
-Moncton Arena

Planning Stages
-Calgary NEXT
-Ottawa's arena proposal

What am I missing?

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The stadiums in Ottawa and Hamilton (while I am happy that they are there) vs. Regina and Winnipeg, really give one a very good idea of the "prestige" level the CFL has in Ontario vs. the West.

I was a little disappointed by Hamilton's stadium mainly because Hamilton has been a traditionally strong football city (despite the indifference of the rest of the Golden Horseshoe area), and the earlier proposals were all for fairly impressive looking venues.

The one which was ultimately chosen was probably the least ambitious proposal that we saw coming out of Hamilton....here were some of the early concepts for a Hamilton stadium, all far more impressive than what ended up being built:







THF is not bad, it does the job and is a huge improvement over ancient Ivor Wynne, but at the same time it feels like Hamilton could have and should have done better.

Ottawa's semi-new venue is nice but as a certain individual here has reminded us, there is a certain lipstick on a pig element to it. If the owners knew the RBs would take off the way they have would they have gone bigger with it their plan? Or was it a matter of wanting to stay at their excellent current location at all costs and they just shaped their design around what could realistically be accommodated on that site?

[FrankieFlowerpot]

That second one was never even a proposal - it was some local design company spitballing a design for a new stadium

[Ron Jeremy]

Originally Posted by Acajack

The stadiums in Ottawa and Hamilton (while I am happy that they are there) vs. Regina and Winnipeg, really give one a very good idea of the "prestige" level the CFL has in Ontario vs. the West.

What are you talking about?!? Ottawa claimed they were building a world class stadium. Was that a lie? Are there different categories of world class? So confused.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

That second one was never even a proposal - it was some local design company spitballing a design for a new stadium

Fair enough, but that first rendering got a lot of play and it certainly raised expectations as to what was likely to happen.

[HomerSPC]

Originally Posted by king10

I don't think its an issue if posters in a stadium construction/ development forum give their opinion on exterior cladding. If things like that are censored by a "who gives a shit" attitude then whats the point of a stadium discussion thread?

The exterior cladding looks decent enough though. Not anything amazing, not terrible either. Like the new arena in QC, some like it, some are indifferent to it.

If you really think that that is censorship, you shouldn't be on an internet forum. I think he, like many users, are tired of the same "discussion" held every couple pages about something as stupid as the siding argument.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by HomerSPC

If you really think that that is censorship, you shouldn't be on an internet forum. I think he, like many users, are tired of the same "discussion" held every couple pages about something as stupid as the siding argument.

Hey, let's talk about the stitched in lines thing again!

[king10]

Originally Posted by HomerSPC

If you really think that that is censorship, you shouldn't be on an internet forum. I think he, like many users, are tired of the same "discussion" held every couple pages about something as stupid as the siding argument.

we moved on from the topic. do you want us to move back to it?

[king10]

Originally Posted by esquire

Fair enough, but that first rendering got a lot of play and it certainly raised expectations as to what was likely to happen.

the mayor wanted the west harbour site. the ticats said west harbour wasn't viable and wanted to look at the mountain or confederation park. the city weren't really interested. the debate really divided the city. west harbour city preferred vs ticats preferred

in the end they ran out of time and kept it in the same location. the budget was pretty small at $150 million. no doubt the finished produce reflects that. if they had another $50 million or $100 million it would look more like regina or winnipeg. unfortunately that much money was never going to be funded. what Hamilton got is a decent serviceable stadium that can make the ticats profitable long into the future. World Class it is not, but it gets the job done. (despite the current construction lawsuits)

[esquire]

Originally Posted by king10

what Hamilton got is a decent serviceable stadium that can make the ticats profitable long into the future. World Class it is not, but it gets the job done. (despite the current construction lawsuits)

That's the main point, for sure. Hamilton needed the stadium badly. However, it's just unfortunate that the looming PAG deadline forced the project to move ahead before a better resolution could be reached.