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The plaza over 300 West will be raised 10 feet above the current road level. U G L Y!
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Sounds like Boise might get a UFL team. That'd be a big deal for them!
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Manfred reiterated last night that expansion is on the horizon and many plugged in reporters are saying Nashville a shoo in and SLC the next best bet
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Here’s the latest on baseball expansion - Salt Lake City considered a frontrunner to land a team

Published: Sept 4, 2025, 7:00 p.m. MDT - https://www.deseret.com/search/?q=Ut...eball+team%3F+


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How close is Utah to getting a Major League Baseball team?

The background: Dennis Romboy tackles that question with his latest reporting that shows that Salt Lake City continues to be in those conversations and is even considered a frontrunner among some observers.

What the MLB is saying: “I think if we expand it provides us with an opportunity to geographically realign,” MLB commissioner Rob Manfred told ESPN. “I think we could save a lot of wear and tear on our players in terms of travel. I think our postseason format would be even more appealing for entities like ESPN because you’d be playing out of the East, out of the West, and that 10 o’clock where we sometimes get Boston-Anaheim would be two West Coast teams. That 10 o’clock slot that’s a problem for us sometimes becomes a real opportunity for our West Coast audience.”

He also hinted that he would like to begin the expansion process before he retires in January 2029.
What The Athletic said: “If there exists such a thing as a turnkey expansion option, it’s Salt Lake City.”
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SEG announces master architect for SLC’s entertainment district

Salt Lake County and Smith Entertainment Group announced early Friday the chosen partners in the next phase for the renovation of the Salt Palace Convention Center and the Sports, Entertainment, Culture and Convention district in the heart of downtown.

“These selections represent some of the best talent in the industry, with a unique and necessary blending of local and national expertise,” Salt Lake County Mayor Jenny Wilson said, in a press release Friday.

According to the press release, the county selected Populous Holdings, Inc. and MHTN Architects were to lead architectural efforts of the renovation, while Construction Control Corporation and RLB were chosen to lead construction.

In addition to the county’s selection, SEG announced the architecture and design firm HKS will lead the master design plan for the entire district. The company told KSL TV on Friday that HKS has 29 offices in nine countries and has been involved in the design of many sports and entertainment districts, including:
• AT&T Stadium and Arlington Experience District, home of NFL’s Dallas Cowboys
• Victory Plaza in Dallas, at the American Airlines Center, home of NBA’s Dallas Mavericks and NHL’s Dallas Stars
• Huntington Bank Stadium Masterplan for NFL’s Cleveland Browns
• SoFi Stadium, home of NFL’s Los Angeles Rams and Los Angeles Chargers

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Personally I'm liking the idea more and more of a covered space, considering that the two teams this will be used for are winter sports and you're going to encourage a lot more people to come out if you can do something like what Kansas City did in their Power & Light District. Think City Creek but on a larger scale. Here's some images of the KC space. The block between 300W and 200W would be perfect.





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Old Posted Sep 29, 2025, 3:17 PM
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I was skeptical of SLC as a baseball city so I looked up where it sits in the ranking of TV markets.

OT1H there are an awful lot of cities above SLC, not even counting Canadian options, and IDK how you call anybody more of a turnkey operation than Sacramento given the A's currently play there.

But OTOH I'm shocked at how low Vegas is (I guess Vegas' hinterlands are just completely empty). And if they can do it then so can anybody, so this is clearly not an impediment.



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Top US 50 TV markets per StationIndex.com, and their Major League Baseball status:

Bold Purple: 2 MLB teams
Blue: 1 MLB team
Light blue: Sort of has an MLB team
Red: Not currently an MLB market

1 New York
2 Los Angeles
3 Chicago

4 Philadelphia
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth
6 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose
7 Boston
8 Atlanta
9 Washington, DC
10 Houston
11 Detroit
12 Phoenix
13 Tampa-St. Petersburg
14 Seattle-Tacoma
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul
16 Miami-Ft.Lauderdale
17 Cleveland-Akron
18 Denver
19 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
20 Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto
21 St. Louis
22 Portland, OR
23 Pittsburgh
24 Charlotte, NC
25 Indianapolis
26 Baltimore
27 Raleigh-Durham
28 San Diego
29 Nashville
30 Hartford-New Haven
31 Kansas City
32 Columbus, OH
33 Salt Lake City
34 Cincinnati
35 Milwaukee
36 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
37 San Antonio
38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce
39 Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek
40 Birmingham
41 Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York

42 Las Vegas
43 Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News
44 Albuquerque-Santa Fe
45 Oklahoma City
46 Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem
47 Jacksonville, FL
48 Memphis
49 Austin
50 Louisville
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If it was as simple as market size, we'd have very little chance.

In circumspect, we have a great shot because the Millers are well-funded, organized, persistent, and have the full cooperation of the state and local governments. They also have a really good stadium site picked out and ready to go and $900m to support it. On top of that, Utah is growing fast, has a young population, and has shown recently that it loves sports.

I would actually be surprised if we don't get a team if the league decides to expand in the next few years.
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The big difference between Salt Lake's market is that it includes the entire state of Utah. I think it's the only major market that is the entirety of the state. It does kinda make sense since like 80% of the state's population is in the Salt Lake area but it does inflate the numbers just a bit.



But TV markets are not really a good indicator of city size.

No one thinks Phoenix is a bigger overall market (beyond media) than Miami. Same with Tampa!
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I was skeptical of SLC as a baseball city so I looked up where it sits in the ranking of TV markets.

OT1H there are an awful lot of cities above SLC, not even counting Canadian options, and IDK how you call anybody more of a turnkey operation than Sacramento given the A's currently play there.

But OTOH I'm shocked at how low Vegas is (I guess Vegas' hinterlands are just completely empty). And if they can do it then so can anybody, so this is clearly not an impediment.

Those numbers are old. Here are new DMA rankings:

New York (#1)
Los Angeles (#2)
Chicago (#3)
Dallas-Fort Worth (#4)
Philadelphia (#5)
Houston (#6)
Atlanta (#7)
Washington, D.C. (Hagerstown) (#8)
Boston (Manchester) (#9)
San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose (#10)
Tampa-St. Petersburg (Sarasota) (#11)
Phoenix (Prescott) (#12)
Seattle-Tacoma (#13)
Detroit (#14)
Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne (#15)
Minneapolis-St. Paul (#16)
Denver (#17)
Miami-Fort Lauderdale (#18)
Cleveland-Akron (Canton) (#19)
Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto (#20)
Charlotte (#21)
Raleigh-Durham (Fayetteville) (#22)
Portland, OR (#23)
St. Louis (#24)
Indianapolis (#25)
Nashville (#26)
Pittsburgh (#27)
Salt Lake City (#28)
Baltimore (#29)
San Diego (#30)
San Antonio (#31)
Hartford & New Haven (#32)
Kansas City (#33)
Austin, TX (#34)
Columbus, OH (#35)
Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson (#36)
Cincinnati (#37)
Milwaukee (#38)
West Palm Beach-Fort Pierce (#39)
Las Vegas (#40)
Jacksonville (#41)
Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York (#42)
Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek (#43)
Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News (#44)
Birmingham (Anniston and Tuscaloosa) (#45)
Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem (#46)
Oklahoma City (#47)
Albuquerque-Santa Fe (#48)
Louisville (#49)
New Orleans (#50)
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2025, 3:19 PM
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I was skeptical of SLC as a baseball city so I looked up where it sits in the ranking of TV markets.

OT1H there are an awful lot of cities above SLC, not even counting Canadian options, and IDK how you call anybody more of a turnkey operation than Sacramento given the A's currently play there.

But OTOH I'm shocked at how low Vegas is (I guess Vegas' hinterlands are just completely empty). And if they can do it then so can anybody, so this is clearly not an impediment.

As someone who grew up in San Diego and has been a lifelong Padres fan, there's a LOT that factors in to success of a baseball team. Baseball is twice as long as the next professional sport, it takes a huge amount of desire in a city to attend 81 home games. Padres just set their all-time attendance record and sold out 72 of their 81 home games, finishing second behind the Dodgers in average home attendance for all of MLB. That's insane to outdraw the Yankees, Mets, Phillies.

How have they done it? Sure, the Chargers are gone, but SD has so many distractions, similar to places like Miami and LA. They've drastically increased roster spending the last few years, they have the generally top-rated stadium in all of baseball and it's 21 years old. They go all-in with the community. The stadium is easy to get to, especially by train and trolley, it's surrounded by a ton of restaurants and bars, things to do before and after games. The perfect weather doesn't hurt; in SLC you're going to deal with possible snow games at the beginning of the season, and 100 degree games in the summer.

I'm not so certain Vegas will succeed. Raiders were 25th in % capacity attendance last year, and third lowest in total attendance, only ahead of Chicago and Jacksonville. Golden Knights are hugely successful because it's a winter indoor sport, the team had instant success, and they were born in Vegas. The Athletics? They've not had real success since 1990 when they reached the last of 3 straight World Series. They have terrible ownership that has no desire to put a winning product on the field, they don't have any built-in fan base in Vegas, they're struggling to figure out how to even afford to build the stadium, and they're going to ask fans to support a team when the community never really had a huge desire to want one?

SLC is a unicorn in that regard; we took the Coyotes and welcomed them with open arms. The fan base here has been impressive to bring in a second pro team in the same season as the Jazz and sell out almost every game. Having ownership change hands had a lot to do with it; Meruelo bringing the Coyotes here would have looked a lot different.

I'd love to see MLB work here, if they design the stadium and the surrounding area the right way. San Diego worked so well because they put the stadium in the PERFECT spot, gave good access to mass transit, and it skyrocketed development around with new residential and commercial construction. The area around Petco is unrecognizable now compared to 2004. That's what SLC needs to ensure happens, that the area around the stadium becomes a focal point of construction over the long-term. You can't manufacture some sort of entertainment district that is vacant or undesirable if not a gameday. You've gotta have people living and working in that area year-round to generate enough investment from outside firms to build.

Utah also needs to step up their TRAX game for gamedays. San Diego runs specific trains before and after home Padres games. These trains depart 45 after game end, no matter what time that is. I've heard lots of complaints that there's no extra TRAX on game days to get fans to and from the DC. If MLB comes, they for sure need to stack up TRAX along the green line to take people to North Temple and have an extra Frontrunner.
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Utah also needs to step up their TRAX game for gamedays. San Diego runs specific trains before and after home Padres games. These trains depart 45 after game end, no matter what time that is. I've heard lots of complaints that there's no extra TRAX on game days to get fans to and from the DC. If MLB comes, they for sure need to stack up TRAX along the green line to take people to North Temple and have an extra Frontrunner.
I will say that this is already planned for. The Tech-Link Trax expansion will definitely improve this as it will provide for the Orange line. That will run from the Airport to the University of Utah. As it doesn't go further south than 4th South, it is possible that this line could operate 24/7.

North Temple will see trains every 7 minutes starting around 2030 if everything goes as planned. This will definitely help development along North Temple and provide better service for the MLB games (if a team is granted).

I should add that the Orange Line will also allow for better service for Jazz/Mammoth games. Having the Delta Center serviced by the Green, Orange, and Blue lines will provide access to 2 FrontRunner stations, as well as additional parking options along North Temple. This should help to reduce some traffic in the area while also encouraging transit usage. The same is possible with the MLB stadium as parking can be more spread out due to transit coverage. I know that this will help the traffic at the UofU games for the same reason.
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UTA is really good about running extra trains and busses for Utes games. Not sure if that's a special agreement with the U or something.

RTD in Denver is awful about this sort of thing.
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As someone who grew up in San Diego and has been a lifelong Padres fan, there's a LOT that factors in to success of a baseball team. Baseball is twice as long as the next professional sport, it takes a huge amount of desire in a city to attend 81 home games. Padres just set their all-time attendance record and sold out 72 of their 81 home games, finishing second behind the Dodgers in average home attendance for all of MLB. That's insane to outdraw the Yankees, Mets, Phillies.

How have they done it? Sure, the Chargers are gone, but SD has so many distractions, similar to places like Miami and LA. They've drastically increased roster spending the last few years, they have the generally top-rated stadium in all of baseball and it's 21 years old. They go all-in with the community. The stadium is easy to get to, especially by train and trolley, it's surrounded by a ton of restaurants and bars, things to do before and after games. The perfect weather doesn't hurt; in SLC you're going to deal with possible snow games at the beginning of the season, and 100 degree games in the summer.

I'm not so certain Vegas will succeed. Raiders were 25th in % capacity attendance last year, and third lowest in total attendance, only ahead of Chicago and Jacksonville. Golden Knights are hugely successful because it's a winter indoor sport, the team had instant success, and they were born in Vegas. The Athletics? They've not had real success since 1990 when they reached the last of 3 straight World Series. They have terrible ownership that has no desire to put a winning product on the field, they don't have any built-in fan base in Vegas, they're struggling to figure out how to even afford to build the stadium, and they're going to ask fans to support a team when the community never really had a huge desire to want one?

SLC is a unicorn in that regard; we took the Coyotes and welcomed them with open arms. The fan base here has been impressive to bring in a second pro team in the same season as the Jazz and sell out almost every game. Having ownership change hands had a lot to do with it; Meruelo bringing the Coyotes here would have looked a lot different.

I'd love to see MLB work here, if they design the stadium and the surrounding area the right way. San Diego worked so well because they put the stadium in the PERFECT spot, gave good access to mass transit, and it skyrocketed development around with new residential and commercial construction. The area around Petco is unrecognizable now compared to 2004. That's what SLC needs to ensure happens, that the area around the stadium becomes a focal point of construction over the long-term. You can't manufacture some sort of entertainment district that is vacant or undesirable if not a gameday. You've gotta have people living and working in that area year-round to generate enough investment from outside firms to build.

Utah also needs to step up their TRAX game for gamedays. San Diego runs specific trains before and after home Padres games. These trains depart 45 after game end, no matter what time that is. I've heard lots of complaints that there's no extra TRAX on game days to get fans to and from the DC. If MLB comes, they for sure need to stack up TRAX along the green line to take people to North Temple and have an extra Frontrunner.
The more teams you add the further it pushes the limits of disposable income and corporate sponsorship dollars available. Be it TV revenue, suite sales, ticket sales, or other sponsorships. It all gets spread thinner and thinner as a market adds more teams.

Add to that MLB is notoriously hard to compete in for small markets, you’ve got to stack up what equates to billion dollar payroll budgets with teams like the Dodgers. It’s the least fair sport from a market competition standpoint.

Will the MLB take the Miller’s cash pay the franchise expansion fee? I’m sure they will be happy to. Does this 4th pro team, along with two major colleges make SLC oversaturated for sports dollars? Would be interesting to see some data on it.

I’d rather have less teams if it means they can be more competitive. And when the hell will the Jazz be that again?

Which is why I’m okay with the Yotes being gone for now. If and when NHL returns to Phoenix I’ll still question if 4 teams and major college sports can all succeed in a metro of 5-6 million.
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Jazz practice facility is moving to South Towne to be neighbors with the Mammoth in a brand new facility.

On Tuesday morning, SEG owner Ryan Smith and company announced plans to move the basketball team’s practice facility into The Shops at South Town in Sandy, adjacent to the Mammoth’s facility. The Jazz’s new space will be on the east side of the mall.

Construction will begin this fall, SEG said, though the team didn’t announce when the practice facility would be finished.

The new practice facility will have many of the same amenities as the old one, which was renovated in 2017: two basketball courts, a locker room, a kitchen, and workout and training spaces for the Jazz. The Smith Entertainment Group will also move its corporate offices to Sandy.





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Pretty clear Smith was intent on moving the Jazz/NHL team out of downtown before he was talked into keeping them there. But he can still go through moving the practice facilities out there.
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Pretty clear Smith was intent on moving the Jazz/NHL team out of downtown before he was talked into keeping them there. But he can still go through moving the practice facilities out there.
How is that clear, though? Not like the Broncos / Avs would ever move out of downtown, yet they both have practice facilities in the burbs south of Denver, close to where the players actually live.
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How is that clear, though? Not like the Broncos / Avs would ever move out of downtown, yet they both have practice facilities in the burbs south of Denver, close to where the players actually live.
It's been spelled out multiple times, including from Smith himself. His original intention was to build a new arena in the south valley, maybe even into Utah County. It wasn't a threat or just an idea he was spitballing - it was his intention. That's when Salt Lake leaders, and the legislature reached out to him about creating a sports district and renovating the Delta Center so that downtown didn't lose the Jazz to the suburbs.

Everything Smith does is out of the suburbs, so, this isn't a surprise either that he'd move the team's offices from Salt Lake out to the suburbs.

I also suspect that another major downtown tenant, of which Smith is a member of, also probably helped convince him to keep the Jazz and the NHL team downtown. But originally, he had no interest. Smith does not like Salt Lake. He might have a professional relationship with the mayor but he does not live in Salt Lake, he does not work in Salt Lake and he originally wanted his new arena to be built far from Salt Lake.
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How is that clear, though? Not like the Broncos / Avs would ever move out of downtown, yet they both have practice facilities in the burbs south of Denver, close to where the players actually live.
What Comrade said is correct. I have heard this second hand, from someone who heard it from Ryan Smith's mouth. His original plan, from when an NHL team was just his crazy dream, was to put both the NHL team and the Jazz on the South Town Mall site and build an entertainment district around them.
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