Winnipeg | Exchange District | Market Lands | U/C

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by trueviking

that tunnel does still exist, but it's not in great shape.....the cost of fixing it, connecting it, and maintaining it long term was not one that the project could take on.

Too bad it couldn't be tied into the network.

[Unbending]

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by Unbending

Coming along nicely. My wife and I went for a walk through Chinatown the other day when we wanted to go to Sun Wah and man, does that area need some investment stat. It's almost been entirely hollowed out by the time you get to Henry. Real tough area though with all the shelters within 200m

[1ajs]

that layout sure dont make sens?

[bomberjet]

Whats wrong with it?

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Whats wrong with it?

Looks like it's being built as pictured:




Now, I think the actual design of the site is total garbage: An absolutely enormous plot of land used for one 10-story apartment block and a huge amount of laneway, public space, and covered-but-empty "market" space that they'll need 24/7 security patrols to keep from being turned into an encampment.

[1ajs]

just seems like crazy tall and narrow locked in spaces for a market

[bon_vivant]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

Looks like it's being built as pictured:

Now, I think the actual design of the site is total garbage: An absolutely enormous plot of land used for one 10-story apartment block and a huge amount of laneway, public space, and covered-but-empty "market" space that they'll need 24/7 security patrols to keep from being turned into an encampment.

I hate to say it but I agree. It's just asking to be another AC park "gathering place" situation. Not feeling optimistic about that setup.

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by bon_vivant

I hate to say it but I agree. It's just asking to be another AC park "gathering place" situation. Not feeling optimistic about that setup.

From what i understand the apartment building is supposed to help alleviate some of the homelessness problem with affordable units. I also don't think we can assume the market space will be forever empty.

I don't want to turn this thread into yet another argument about homelessness in Winnipeg, it's causes and effects, etc. That's been thrashed out in other threads, usually with no consensus and often with regrettable slurs and accusations being levelled at other posters.

I will remind people that this is just one phase of the market lands development. It's being done with an eye towards creating much needed housing as well as community space. It's not being hailed as a cure-all for the city's social ills, but the people involved in it's conception seem to want to contribute to the overall well being of the city.

It might not work in achieving those goals, but then again it might. I'm willing to watch it's development and see how it works out.

[bon_vivant]

Originally Posted by pspeid

From what i understand the apartment building is supposed to help alleviate some of the homelessness problem with affordable units. I also don't think we can assume the market space will be forever empty.

I don't want to turn this thread into yet another argument about homelessness in Winnipeg, it's causes and effects, etc. That's been thrashed out in other threads, usually with no consensus and often with regrettable slurs and accusations being levelled at other posters.

I will remind people that this is just one phase of the market lands development. It's being done with an eye towards creating much needed housing as well as community space. It's not being hailed as a cure-all for the city's social ills, but the people involved in it's conception seem to want to contribute to the overall well being of the city.

It might not work in achieving those goals, but then again it might. I'm willing to watch it's development and see how it works out.

Fair enough. But all the pretty renderings, feel-good PR, and "Market Lands" branding are making it out to be much more than what it is. At the end of day, it's a (much needed) affordable housing project and nothing more. And that's perfectly fine. I'm not expecting it to be transformative in any way.

[OTA in Winnipeg]

Originally Posted by pspeid

From what i understand the apartment building is supposed to help alleviate some of the homelessness problem with affordable units.

Please stop. Can we please stop referring to these encampments a homeless problem?

It is a drug problem.

And it is all across Canada. Here in Manitoba, and all the Prairies to BC on one side and to Northwestern Ontario on the other side and, I suspect a great majority of these of these people are individuals with FASD.

THAT is what is going on.

Yes, rents and housing have shot through the roof I know. But these two things are two separate issues.

[bomberjet]

This end of the site has the caveat from previous owners that it's publicly used or something like that. The north end of the site has less open space IIRC.

[Biff]

Yes, they tried to make the best out of a difficult set of rules and the market and plaza are the results.

The north portion of the site has none of those restrictions and Marketlands North utilizes the site similarly to a Barcelona super block. It will be great.

[bomberjet]

For Marketlands North, maybe someone can just post all the renders on here that were released to the media? I don't see them online anywhere besides the couple that are posted here.

[Brule-le]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

For Marketlands North, maybe someone can just post all the renders on here that were released to the media? I don't see them online anywhere besides the couple that are posted here.

Not sure if these are current: https://www.mont-arc.com/works/work/25/the-market-lands-northern-development-site

[bomberjet]

Thanks for sharing. Concept generally looks similar. But not the same as was posted here.

[Biff]

Number Ten is the architect on the Marketlands North project. Monteyne must have been part of one of the proposal teams that didn't get accepted for development.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

Now, I think the actual design of the site is total garbage: An absolutely enormous plot of land used for one 10-story apartment block and a huge amount of laneway, public space, and covered-but-empty "market" space that they'll need 24/7 security patrols to keep from being turned into an encampment.

I don't think we should judge the development until it is seen in its entirety. The phase one competition winner was definitely not my favourite. In fact it was my least favourite., I never liked how it created a giant wall between the north and south parcels. But the plaza and market building are going to be great. Compared to the entire site, it is not a large area and some public space that pulls some energy from old market square to the new site is a good thing in my opinion.

I wish the first building wasn't white. It seems to ignore its context pretty severely....out of town architects.

when you see the entire development, you will likely feel that it is a big project, worthy of the site....it definitely wont feel empty. There's going to be a lot of people living and working on this block.

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by Biff

The north portion of the site has none of those restrictions and Marketlands North utilizes the site similarly to a Barcelona super block. It will be great.

I just looked up what a "Barcelona super block" is and something similar would be amazing. It seems very forward-thinking in terms of it's design, though part of the definition I read was "prioritising people over cars". I can see that causing outrage in some circles.

Here's the article I read about super blocks, FYI:

https://www.citiesforum.org/news/superblock-superilla-barcelona-a-city-redefined/

[Unbending]