Centre Mall -> The Centre on Barton

[raisethehammer]

Originally Posted by comadriver

Have you ever wondered why no one ever listens? Hint: it's not because they are ignorant Hamilton-haters.

This thread, with rare exceptions, is not interested in reasonable discourse. We all have our biases, but frankly, this self-perpetuating negativity-drenched drivel is not constructive. As a newcomer to Hamilton, I truly hope the likes of raisthehammer have no real political or monetary influence outside this forum. (I suspect they do not).

Cheers guys, have fun wasting your breath.

believe me, nobody on this forum has wasted their breath more than this lame post.
Nobody's stopping you from watching your 11 hours of E! everyday and allowing your city to be ruined. Some of us actually care (no, not about the television schedule) and bother to show up at rallies, give money for limestone slabs, attend meeting after meeting in the hopes of making this a better place.
this forum is nothing more than an online stomping ground for ideas/rhetoric etc.....
I know many on this forum and we're happy to say that we hold little, if any influence on this forum and I personally love it that way.
We are influential and involved in our communities in a way that folks like you can't imagine.
Sadly, you're not the only one in town with such a negative, narrow view of life and our great city.

[ryan_mcgreal]

Originally Posted by comadriver

Have you ever wondered why no one ever listens? Hint: it's not because they are ignorant Hamilton-haters.

I never suggested it is. I can't speak for everyone, of course, but I don't think anyone is nefariously trying to destroy the city. Most political conflicts are between people with conflicting agendas and interests, not between 'good guys' and 'bad guys'.

Originally Posted by comadriver

This thread, with rare exceptions, is not interested in reasonable discourse.

You seem here to be defining "reasonable discourse" as "statements I agree with". The exchange between markbarbera and me, for example, has been civil, stuck mainly with the issues, and conceded facts more or less willingly. That's how I define "reasonable discourse". I understand and respect markbarbera's arguments; I just happen to disagree with them for the reasons I have stated.

Ironically, your comment arguably exacerbates the unconstructive "self-perpetuating negativity-drenched drivel" with which you take exception. Instead of addressing the issues, you would shift the discourse to the people discussing the issues.

Let's stick to the matter at hand and try not to let personalities get in the way of civility.

[crhayes]

Originally Posted by ryan_mcgreal

I never suggested it is. (I can't speak for everyone, of course, but I don't think anyone is nefariously trying to destroy the city. Most political conflicts are between people with conflicting agendas and interests, not between 'good guys' and 'bad guys'.)



You seem here to be defining "reasonable discourse" as "statements I agree with". The exchange between markbarbera and me, for example, has been civil, stuck mainly with the issues, and conceded facts more or less willingly. That's how I define "reasonable discourse".

Ironically, your comment arguably exacerbates the unconstructive "self-perpetuating negativity-drenched drivel" with which you take exception. Instead of addressing the issues, you would shift the discourse to the people discussing the issues.

Let's stick to the matter at hand and try not to let personalities get in the way of civility.

I agree. This forum is here for us to discuss issues regarding Hamilton. Mark, raisethehammer and Ryan have been civil thus far. There are conflicting opinions and views, but when is everyone ever on the same page?

[flar]

Yes, let's keep this civil.

comadriver, if you are new to Hamilton it might take a while to understand the extent to which this city has been raped and mismanaged. As a relative newcomer to Hamilton myself (six years), I have become astounded at the things that go on here (and I don't think raped is too strong a word).

Centre Mall is a good example: developers have again been allowed to take the path of least resistance, to make a quick buck with the excuse that "it's better than nothing" by building something that makes no attempt to fit into its surroundings and has had no consideration given to its long term effects on the area. It would have required only a minimal amount of planning to better integrate the Centre Mall project with public transportation. The original plan pitched by the developers called for mixed use. The developers probably expected they would have to meet some minimal design requirements for this urban location in their initial proposal. However, it is apparent that once again the city did not hold them to any basic standard of urban design and thus the developers have chosen the path of least resistance and have not incorporated any public transport, residential, office or urban design principles into the project. They have been allowed to apply the generic suburban highway format in the very centre of the city, because, oh well, Hamilton should be happy that anyone is building anything here.

[raisethehammer]

Originally Posted by ryan_mcgreal

I never suggested it is. I can't speak for everyone, of course, but I don't think anyone is nefariously trying to destroy the city. Most political conflicts are between people with conflicting agendas and interests, not between 'good guys' and 'bad guys'.



You seem here to be defining "reasonable discourse" as "statements I agree with". The exchange between markbarbera and me, for example, has been civil, stuck mainly with the issues, and conceded facts more or less willingly. That's how I define "reasonable discourse".

Ironically, your comment arguably exacerbates the unconstructive "self-perpetuating negativity-drenched drivel" with which you take exception. Instead of addressing the issues, you would shift the discourse to the people discussing the issues.

Let's stick to the matter at hand and try not to let personalities get in the way of civility.

exactly right.
Comadrivers post was possibly the most unconstructive, negative pile of drivel uttered in this entire discussion.
It's a tired technique by people who have no good arguments or points to make, so they start attacking the people instead.

[markbarbera]

Originally Posted by raisethehammer

exactly right.
Comadrivers post was possibly the most unconstructive, negative pile of drivel uttered in this entire discussion.
It's a tired technique by people who have no good arguments or points to make, so they start attacking the people instead.

Let's not do a pile-on on comadriver's comment. There has been a lot of unconstructive, negative statements posted by others in this forum, including those jumping on comadriver right now. Self-righteousness is never well recieved, particularly when delivered in a hypocritical manner.

[raisethehammer]

Originally Posted by markbarbera

Let's not do a pile-on on comadriver's comment. There has been a lot of unconstructive, negative statements posted by others in this forum, including those jumping on comadriver right now. Self-righteousness is never well recieved, particularly when delivered in a hypocritical manner.

I definitely agree.

[hammergirl]

Currently at Centre Mall RBC has a regular branch, an insurance office and another small office for corporate services or something like that. It's accessible from the outside of the mall next to the TD Canada Trust. My guess is that they're combining those three locations into the new building and that's why it's 2 stories.

[raisethehammer]

yet another missed opportunity for a street facing building with 2 floors.
oh well, I'll never go to this project so I really shouldn't care so much, but I hate seeing our city crapped on all the time with encouragement from the losers at the Hall.

[markbarbera]

Marks Work Wearhouse will be here as well. Trying to confirm if it will be a standalone location or incorporated in the Canadian Tire Store.

[raisethehammer]

I heard it's going to be inside of a Can Tire which is going to be inside of a GCSS which is going be inside of a Walmart which is going to be inside of Sams Club which is going to be inside of a Disneyland Castle.....

[crhayes]

Originally Posted by raisethehammer

I heard it's going to be inside of a Can Tire which is going to be inside of a GCSS which is going be inside of a Walmart which is going to be inside of Sams Club which is going to be inside of a Disneyland Castle.....

Which is going to be inside a Costco.

[markbarbera]

Originally Posted by raisethehammer

I heard it's going to be inside of a Can Tire which is going to be inside of a GCSS which is going be inside of a Walmart which is going to be inside of Sams Club which is going to be inside of a Disneyland Castle.....

Stop listening to all those voices inside your head.

[flar]

We should try to be a little more civil on here, I think comadriver has closed his/her account.

[raisethehammer]

Originally Posted by markbarbera

Stop listening to all those voices inside your head.

Lol....someone had to lighten up this chat.

[raisethehammer]

Originally Posted by flar

We should try to be a little more civil on here, I think comadriver has closed his/her account.

that's a shame if it's true, but honestly, why should we all pander to someone who shows up to take a bunch of cheap shots at people?
He/she didn't offer a single idea/thought regarding Centre Mall...his/her post was merely a bunch of cheap shots.
I'm sorry if my response contributed to them leaving, but seriously, if you can't take it, don't dish it out. Very simple.

[markbarbera]

Originally Posted by crhayes

Which is going to be inside a Costco.

Speaking of COSTCO, I understand they are finalizing a real estate purchase in the GHA. But that's a discussin for a different thread.

[crhayes]

Originally Posted by markbarbera

Speaking of COSTCO, I understand they are finalizing a real estate purchase in the GHA. But that's a discussin for a different thread.

Yeah I heard the city is endorsing a warehouse on King between Bay and Hess

[markbarbera]

Originally Posted by raisethehammer

that's a shame if it's true, but honestly, why should we all pander to someone who shows up to take a bunch of cheap shots at people?
He/she didn't offer a single idea/thought regarding Centre Mall...his/her post was merely a bunch of cheap shots.
I'm sorry if my response contributed to them leaving, but seriously, if you can't take it, don't dish it out. Very simple.

This is not a fair statement. Review the 23 posts Comadriver made before closing his account. They were all positive posts that enriched the discussion here. Not once did he resort to namecalling.

As a contrast, RTH, review the last 100 posts that you have made and count how many times you belittled someone by calling them things like 'stupid' or 'ignorant'. Perhaps you (and the moderators) should rethink who it is that is really dishing out the cheap shots that drive decent forum posters away.

[raisethehammer]

Originally Posted by markbarbera

This is not a fair statement. Review the 23 posts Comadriver made before closing his account. They were all positive posts that enriched the discussion here. Not once did he resort to namecalling.

As a contrast, RTH, review the last 100 posts that you have made and count how many times you belittled someone by calling them things like 'stupid' or 'ignorant'. Perhaps you (and the moderators) should rethink who it is that is really dishing out the cheap shots that drive decent forum posters away.

please find a post of mine where I called another poster stupid. ever.
I've called out some ignorant comments from time to time, as have all of us. If we can't chat like grow-ups then let's shut the whole thing down.
Comadriver beat me to it, but I've been mulling over ending my account here as well.
there's some great people and posters, but then there's others who only come on to start arguments.
Not to mention the whole 'urbanism' 'skyscraper' agenda on this site seems to no longer exist. I'm sure one could crack big box jokes at a big box convention and get treated better than on this site.