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[Zerton]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

MSG should be in the Bronx by Yankee Stadium or in Queens by the 7 train in LIC.

I think it would make sense at the currently undeveloped Hudson Yards west site. Previously proposed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Stadium

[BK1985]

Originally Posted by Zerton

I think it would make sense at the currently undeveloped Hudson Yards west site. Previously proposed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Stadium

The western yards is the funding vehicle for related’s build out of Hudson yards proper. If you recall, they were doing the office space at cost with the intention of recouping their investment through the residential sales. Also I couldn’t think of why anyone would sacrifice that land in lieu of real development. The only way I see new arena space happening in Manhattan is if they build out several piers but then transportation options will have to be built out as well. (L or 7 extension or even a crosstown light rail)

[Sky88]

Originally Posted by BK1985

The western yards is the funding vehicle for related’s build out of Hudson yards proper. If you recall, they were doing the office space at cost with the intention of recouping their investment through the residential sales. Also I couldn’t think of why anyone would sacrifice that land in lieu of real development. The only way I see new arena space happening in Manhattan is if they build out several piers but then transportation options will have to be built out as well. (L or 7 extension or even a crosstown light rail)

Well, a possible MSG on the Hudson Yards West Site would only take up part of the space. All around Related could build its residential towers.

[BK1985]

Originally Posted by Sky88

Well, a possible MSG on the Hudson Yards West Site would only take up part of the space. All around Related could build its residential towers.

And where will all the promised green space go?

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Zerton

I think it would make sense at the currently undeveloped Hudson Yards west site. Previously proposed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Stadium

That's Phase II of Hudson Yards. Will eventually be 7 million square ft. of new towers and cultural facilities. So zero chance of happening.

[Sky88]

Originally Posted by BK1985

And where will all the promised green space go?

It will never be done ... but something like that.

[chris08876]

Everyone is over thinking where MSG should go. The solution is simple!

In fact, I think we may have a new rendering:

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Still not sure why people dismiss the notion that a new MSG could be built on top of the new PABT. Are we seriously saying that location doesn't have the same transit access as above Penn?

Because it aint happening. It doesn't have the same access. Penn Station has not only direct connections to the LIRR and NJT rail lines, but in a few years it will have Metro-North and direct access to PATH as well.

Originally Posted by Zerton

The irony is that within a decade of all this being complete MSG will probably decide to finally move.

They won't move anywhere, and have no plans to.

Originally Posted by Zerton

I think it would make sense at the currently undeveloped Hudson Yards west site. Previously proposed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Stadium

LOL. That's not happening either.

Listen people, Dolan was having a heart attack about moving the Garden across the street - to the Farley building, thinking even that was too removed from the direct access to transit. There are certainly no plans for an arena over the railyards. You think the NIMBYs are up in arms now, just try putting an arena over there on the waterfront.

The city knows that arena is in the best location it could possibly be in, especially from a transit and traffic perspective, which is even more critical now. So, dreams aside, it's best to focus on the reality.

[NYguy]

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...o2a-story.html

Cuomo chides that new Hudson River tunnels go ‘nowhere’ without his plans to expand Penn Station


By CLAYTON GUSE
JUL 28, 2021

New Amtrak tunnels under the Hudson River have nowhere to go until Penn Station is expanded a block south, Gov. Cuomo said Wednesday.

Speaking to bigwigs during an event with the Association for a Better New York, the governor called the new tubes “tunnels to nowhere.”

“Right now you’re building new tunnels, but you have no place for the tunnels to land,” Cuomo said.

The new tunnels are part of a larger initiative dubbed the Gateway Program — and the project’s backers say the new tubes are necessary in order to fix the existing 111-year-old Hudson River passenger rail tunnels damaged in 2012 by flooding from Hurricane Sandy.

Cuomo said during Tuesday’s ABNY event that plans to expand Penn Station were not moving along quickly enough, accusing the feds of prioritizing funding for the tunnel work but not the train terminal they’ll service.

The governor recently agreed to pay for one-fourth of the estimated $11.6 billion to build the new Hudson River tunnels and repair the old ones, with New Jersey taxpayers picking up another quarter of the bill and the feds covering half.

Cuomo argued New Jersey and the Biden Administration should approve the same funding split to expand Penn Station.

The Penn Station project — which has no specific construction timetable — got a kick start this year when the state budget approved $1.3 billion to acquire the land to expand the train terminal.

Officials from the Gateway Development Commission, a bi-state agency formed to oversee the work, have estimated it will take 10 years before the new tunnels are built and the old ones are fixed.

.....Once the new tunnels are constructed and the old ones are fixed, more Amtrak and NJ Transit trains will be able to cross beneath the Hudson each hour — but there isn’t enough track capacity at Penn Station to handle much more service.

The terminal is already slated to take on more trains with the addition of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s Penn Access program, which will bring some Metro-North into Penn Station via for new stations in the Bronx.

[manchester united]

I think that a direct access of the PATH to the Penn Station it would be very important. When will be possible to have more news about it?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by manchester united

I think that a direct access of the PATH to the Penn Station it would be very important. When will be possible to have more news about it?

It’s always possible. When it happens, we’ll post it.

[NYguy]

Also people, Im sure I dont have to remind you we dont do politics in these threads.

[DCReid]

What progress!

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019...y=90&auto=webp

[Hudson11]

Steve Roth and Vornado will likely take the helm of this mega project now. They still own a significant portion of the land and will move forward with or without the state. Hotel Penn will come down, as will several other blocks around Penn Station. This news just means they'll have a few extra hurdles to go through before they can build up. As long as Vornado promises improvements to the station, they'll have no issues.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Hudson11

Steve Roth and Vornado will likely take the helm of this mega project now. They still own a significant portion of the land and will move forward with or without the state. Hotel Penn will come down, as will several other blocks around Penn Station. This news just means they'll have a few extra hurdles to go through before they can build up. As long as Vornado promises improvements to the station, they'll have no issues.

There’s very little Vornado can do outside of their own property. The state will still run the show here, same as it did during the WTC rebuilding process. It’s more important now than ever to get this done with Gateway now moving forward.

[Busy Bee]

Now that the day has finally come, can we talk about how this project and others like PABT and the stupid LGA Airtrain (please die please die) and even subway car graphics might be affected now that Cuomo isn't in the governors mansion?

Please don't delete this.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Now that the day has finally come, can we talk about how this project and others like PABT and the stupid LGA Airtrain (please die please die) and even subway car graphics might be affected now that Cuomo isn't in the governors mansion?

No, we can’t. This thread is about this proposal in particular. Any political discussions can take place elsewhere. If something is particularly affected, we will discuss that, if and when it is.

[Hudson11]

Originally Posted by NYguy

There’s very little Vornado can do outside of their own property. The state will still run the show here, same as it did during the WTC rebuilding process. It’s more important now than ever to get this done with Gateway now moving forward.

From what I understand, the property that Vornado already owns in the district is significant. To that end, the state doesn't need to run the show, but partnering with the state means streamlining the process, introducing eminent domain to acquire outstanding blocks and bypassing the city approvals.

[Crawford]

The state will obviously support the redevelopment of Penn Station and the surrounding district. Kathy Hochul, who is known for being pro-business, will likely be a strong advocate for moving this forward.

Also, Empire State Development, the state economic development arm, is running the show re. Empire District. Was never the governor's office.

[k1052]

Originally Posted by Crawford

The state will obviously support the redevelopment of Penn Station and the surrounding district. Kathy Hochul, who is known for being pro-business, will likely be a strong advocate for moving this forward.

Also, Empire State Development, the state economic development arm, is running the show re. Empire District. Was never the governor's office.

Let's not kid ourselves that Cuomo wasn't the driving force behind this. Hochul may or may not pick it up to champion. Could change form too. At a minimum the future is more murky than it was.