Winnipeg Jets

[bomberjet]

This is Jets to a tee. Blown leads, bubble team.

The year they made the run they didnt blow these leads.

[pspeid]

Can anyone remember the last time P & M had no construction at 300 Main and the brown cladding still covered 360 Main? Just wondering how far back the CBC dug into their files for the "skyline" shot of Winnipeg for "Hockey Day on Canada" today.

[esquire]

^ Not uncommon for the sports networks... TSN and SN both use outdated skyline shots of Winnipeg. It's less obvious with the nighttime views, but very obvious with the daytime ones.

Incidentally, another game, another last-minute loss for the Jets. This team just can't seem to hang in there.

[pspeid]

Wow....getting SO tired of these last minute/second/fraction-of-a-second losses (and I hope the team is too).

[esquire]

All these late games are going to be the death of me... I feel exhausted after staying up to watch.

I miss the bubble playoffs when there were at least some early games... would it kill the league to do a few more 6 or 7 pm CT starts?!

[bomberjet]

I'm not sure why they have the late games like that. There's at least one game in Winnipeg with start time at 9pm. Just start normal time.

Although I think that's fairly normal for EDM games. 8pm mountain time start.

[pspeid]

Yeah I'm glad the Jets won in overtime last night, but seriously, why don't they just automatically spot their opponents a goal in the last minute of the game? They way we don't have to see yet another lead shot to hell with seconds left.

Yeah, I'm bitter.....so very, very tiring....

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by pspeid

Yeah I'm glad the Jets won in overtime last night, but seriously, why don't they just automatically spot their opponents a goal in the last minute of the game? They way we don't have to see yet another lead shot to hell with seconds left.

Yeah, I'm bitter.....so very, very tiring....

If they track the stat of most goals given up in the last two minutes of a game, the jets would certainly be near the top.

[bomberjet]

Specific to yesterday. I do not understand why Lowry keep leaving Pettersson open. They were giving them the shot unchallenged. Take that away at let them try something else.

[Ando]

The two longest serving NHL coaches are Jon Cooper of Tampa Bay, in his ninth season, and Paul Maurice, in his 8th season. In his 8 seasons, Cooper has made the Stanley Cup finals twice, and won once. He made it to the conference finals two other times. In 7 seasons, Maurice made it to the conference finals once and lost, and missed the playoffs three times.
One of these coaches has earned his coaching longevity.

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by Ando

The two longest serving NHL coaches are Jon Cooper of Tampa Bay, in his ninth season, and Paul Maurice, in his 8th season. In his 8 seasons, Cooper has made the Stanley Cup finals twice, and won once. He made it to the conference finals two other times. In 7 seasons, Maurice made it to the conference finals once and lost, and missed the playoffs three times.
One of these coaches has earned his coaching longevity.

I think that due to the limitations of working in a market like Winnipeg, we've done alright. I don't think you can compare Maurice and Cooper really since they're managing two totally different situations. Could we be doing better? Maybe, but it isn't clear that Maurice hasn't earned longevity. Maurice has also had the privilege of coaching through a full rebuild and a quasi-rebuild over the past two seasons. Amazingly, the team still made the playoffs the past 3 seasons. It's arguably more shocking that the team has actually been to the post-season that many times given their roster limitations. You would have expected the team to miss the playoffs more times than not.

Your comparison is this:

"Here's this guy who's coached the most talented roster around for the past 8 seasons and won a cup and done this that and the other" vs "Here's a guy who didn't do those things with a far inferior roster" clearly coach number 2 is terrible and doesn't deserve his longevity as a coach.

Apples to oranges.

[Andy6]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

I think that due to the limitations of working in a market like Winnipeg, we've done alright. I don't think you can compare Maurice and Cooper really since they're managing two totally different situations. Could we be doing better? Maybe, but it isn't clear that Maurice hasn't earned longevity. Maurice has also had the privilege of coaching through a full rebuild and a quasi-rebuild over the past two seasons. Amazingly, the team still made the playoffs the past 3 seasons. It's arguably more shocking that the team has actually been to the post-season that many times given their roster limitations. You would have expected the team to miss the playoffs more times than not.

Your comparison is this:

"Here's this guy who's coached the most talented roster around for the past 8 seasons and won a cup and done this that and the other" vs "Here's a guy who didn't do those things with a far inferior roster" clearly coach number 2 is terrible and doesn't deserve his longevity as a coach.

Apples to oranges.

I have no doubt that if the Jets had only followed other teams in having a revolving-door coaching staff they would have won at least 6 Stanley Cups over that period.

Coming into the season, the Jets had the best record of any Canadian team since their return in 2011. I think that's not too bad ... in 2010 we'd all have been saying we'd be happy with a perennial loser if only there could be a team again.

[Ando]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

I think that due to the limitations of working in a market like Winnipeg, we've done alright. I don't think you can compare Maurice and Cooper really since they're managing two totally different situations. Could we be doing better? Maybe, but it isn't clear that Maurice hasn't earned longevity. Maurice has also had the privilege of coaching through a full rebuild and a quasi-rebuild over the past two seasons. Amazingly, the team still made the playoffs the past 3 seasons. It's arguably more shocking that the team has actually been to the post-season that many times given their roster limitations. You would have expected the team to miss the playoffs more times than not.

Your comparison is this:

"Here's this guy who's coached the most talented roster around for the past 8 seasons and won a cup and done this that and the other" vs "Here's a guy who didn't do those things with a far inferior roster" clearly coach number 2 is terrible and doesn't deserve his longevity as a coach.

Apples to oranges.

Actually, that isn’t my comparison at all, not sure where you got that. Winnipeg has had very talented rosters and has severely underperformed. It isn’t apples to oranges or any other fruit you might have on hand. Management and coaching plus talent wins. You have to have the whole package. Maurice has been given way more than enough time. Revolving door is never a good sign but neither is a door sealed shut.

[Ando]

To clarify, I’m not suggesting they get rid of Maurice right now, that would be silly at this point in the season. I do think they should have ditched him a few years ago and the team would have had more success, without all the silly Laine, Wheeler nonsense.

Good win last night. Dubois is looking increasingly good. Even though Maurice in his weird way has him playing on the wing - after saying what the team really needed was a solid two way centre ...

[esquire]

^ Once Dubois shakes off the rust he'll move back to centre. Although for a rusty guy he has looked damn good, apart from that first game where maybe he came back too soon judging by the light TOI he had.

I don't know though, the way this team is coming together nicely I am starting to get that good mojo feeling again that I haven't really had since 2017-18... Maurice has the team rolling nicely now.

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by esquire

I don't know though, the way this team is coming together nicely I am starting to get that good mojo feeling again that I haven't really had since 2017-18... Maurice has the team rolling nicely now.

Once they move the puck out of their zone the Jets look amazing to me. I'm still concerned about how much trouble they have getting the puck past their blue line, but yes, they can be exciting to watch.

[bomberjet]

Maurice thinks Beaulieu is playing well.

I could go into all sorts of talk about the roster and usage. Jets have drafted well and like every team in the league they are bound to the salary cap. Letting good players leave is not a unique situation to the Jets. And again lends to their good drafting.

Laine one really sucks but IMO we got the better end of it long term. Dubois is a legit 1C and he needs to play C to realize his full potential. Playing on the wing now is limiting him.

Jets got stung in 2018 by Marc Andre Fleury. IMO they'd be cup champs and we'd all be in lala land.

We're now in Jets 2.1 territory. Coaching staff and management have been in place for basically a decade. PoMo 7 years. If it's not working, get him out.

[BlackDog204]

Nice to see the Jets performing well in the Canadian Division. 15-7-1, and they play the Habs again tonight. Hope they can cement their 2nd place status in the Division. The goaltending has been the strength of the team. If Heinola and Samberg perform well, the Jets can be a powerhouse for years to come.

[pspeid]

From SI Hockey News about Laine:

https://www.si.com/hockey/news/what-...l40paJvqe3UWdg

[bomberjet]

It's like nobody pays attention to Winnipeg. He's been doing that since the start.

Dubois isn't doing any better right now.