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Old Posted Feb 20, 2020, 1:51 AM
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AUS 2030 Update

A few notable updates from the Port:

- braided intersection of SH 71 / Presidential Blvd is currently in design

- 4-gate western extension + in-fill project in the works to enable the loss of at least that many gates for future midfield concourse, which leads me to...

- tunnel now planned to connect BJT (near Gate 19 or so) to midfield concourse, i.e. no bridge as shown in previous renderings

- targeting 2025-2026 opening of 20 gate concourse; planned apron & taxiways to accommodate potential third parallel concourse beyond 2040

- improvements to existing BJT headhouse to accommodate ticketing/check-in/baggage services for capacity before tearing down current close-in garage for eventually expanded facility

- expanded BJT will be constructed as tangent to newly aligned two-level roadway for future growth to avoid need for new southern terminal through the 2040 planning period

- Taxiway D design & construction within next decade for operational improvements to 17R/35L, i.e. high-speed exits
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Old Posted Feb 20, 2020, 1:55 AM
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Those are some quality notes. Excellent work.

A tunnel is the right move, btw, in my very humble opinion.
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Old Posted Feb 20, 2020, 2:50 AM
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A few notable updates from the Port:

- braided intersection of SH 71 / Presidential Blvd is currently in design

- 4-gate western extension + in-fill project in the works to enable the loss of at least that many gates for future midfield concourse, which leads me to...

- tunnel now planned to connect BJT (near Gate 19 or so) to midfield concourse, i.e. no bridge as shown in previous renderings

- targeting 2025-2026 opening of 20 gate concourse; planned apron & taxiways to accommodate potential third parallel concourse beyond 2040

- improvements to existing BJT headhouse to accommodate ticketing/check-in/baggage services for capacity before tearing down current close-in garage for eventually expanded facility

- expanded BJT will be constructed as tangent to newly aligned two-level roadway for future growth to avoid need for new southern terminal through the 2040 planning period

- Taxiway D design & construction within next decade for operational improvements to 17R/35L, i.e. high-speed exits

Are you sure it’s a two level roadway? Everything to this point had been 3 level with the middle level for pedestrian crossing.

Sounds like the new head of the port pushed the tunnel though. I hope they work out the engineering issues.
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Japan is such a beautiful country to visit.
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Some friends and I are planning to go to Japan next year. Would be nice if we get the route before then.


There was an article around 2 or so years ago that stated a delegation from Japan Air was in Austin to tour the facilities at the port so I would definitely wager that they have also been in talks.

In regards to the tunnel. If they can build a tunnel under the English Channel, then surely they can build one for the port and I'm sure for a lot less. I think it makes the most sense even if people won't be able to gaze at our impressive and amazing skyline on the way to the second concourse.
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A few notable updates from the Port:

- braided intersection of SH 71 / Presidential Blvd is currently in design

- 4-gate western extension + in-fill project in the works to enable the loss of at least that many gates for future midfield concourse, which leads me to...

- tunnel now planned to connect BJT (near Gate 19 or so) to midfield concourse, i.e. no bridge as shown in previous renderings

- targeting 2025-2026 opening of 20 gate concourse; planned apron & taxiways to accommodate potential third parallel concourse beyond 2040

- improvements to existing BJT headhouse to accommodate ticketing/check-in/baggage services for capacity before tearing down current close-in garage for eventually expanded facility

- expanded BJT will be constructed as tangent to newly aligned two-level roadway for future growth to avoid need for new southern terminal through the 2040 planning period

- Taxiway D design & construction within next decade for operational improvements to 17R/35L, i.e. high-speed exits

AWESOME update! Thank you!

So...there's a 4-gate expansion now in the works for BJT plus the new 32-gate first satellite concourse?!?

It seemed that the port was "okay" with loosing some gates due to the bridge. Now that they seem to be looking at a tunnel, they should not be loosing as many gates - but, the new 4-gate western extension would end up being some sort of net gain?!?
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In regards to the tunnel. If they can build a tunnel under the English Channel, then surely they can build one for the port and I'm sure for a lot less.
Yes, a 500 ft tunnel would be cheaper to build than a 30 mile one.

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AWESOME update! Thank you!

So...there's a 4-gate expansion now in the works for BJT plus the new 32-gate first satellite concourse?!?

It seemed that the port was "okay" with loosing some gates due to the bridge. Now that they seem to be looking at a tunnel, they should not be loosing as many gates - but, the new 4-gate western extension would end up being some sort of net gain?!?
I think they lose the same number of gates with the tunnel because the ass of the new center concourse still juts out toward BJ. The master Plan also identifies that both a bridge and tunnel are possible but suggests the gate loss would be the same.
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I think they lose the same number of gates with the tunnel because the ass of the new center concourse still juts out toward BJ.
Ah, I didn’t realize the concourse had an ass. In that case I guess the tunnel makes perfect sense.
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Are you sure it’s a two level roadway? Everything to this point had been 3 level with the middle level for pedestrian crossing
I could be wrong on that detail.

The new rendering that I saw showed a soft horizontal curve of the roadway but a notable arch bridge like structure over the roadway with a pathway to the existing CONRAC / parking garage.

I interpreted that crossing to effectively serve as the "third level". A closer look at that rendering might clarify.
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Old Posted Feb 20, 2020, 5:48 AM
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I think they lose the same number of gates with the tunnel because the ass of the new center concourse still juts out toward BJ. The master Plan also identifies that both a bridge and tunnel are possible but suggests the gate loss would be the same.
My understanding is the +4 gates to the west would offset the -4 gates lost in the middle - or ass, if you will - to construct the midfield-concourse-to-BJT tunnel entryway. So no net increase.

This would, however, effectively split Southwest's gates into 2 sections, and I doubt very much that they'll take the four gates all the way on the west end. Shuffling either UA or AA would be a challenge too. So surely there's some conversation still needed to work out the logistics - building the extension should be the easy part!
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My understanding is the +4 gates to the west would offset the -4 gates lost in the middle - or ass, if you will - to construct the midfield-concourse-to-BJT tunnel entryway. So no net increase.

This would, however, effectively split Southwest's gates into 2 sections, and I doubt very much that they'll take the four gates all the way on the west end. Shuffling either UA or AA would be a challenge too. So surely there's some conversation still needed to work out the logistics - building the extension should be the easy part!
Thanks for the update! Sounds like they are combing the BJ west end extension from Terminal Alternative 1 with the preferred center concourse alternative. That still leaves room for the future center runway
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Sounds like the Common use lounge got delayed at city council due to objections from the non winning contractor bids. Big debate over who gets points for what it comes to minority ownership involvement.
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Probably won't have much of an effect on an Asian route coming unless the airline(s) thinking about adding the Asian flight(s) are from China. I think I read somewhere that China Eastern and Korean Air were in talks with the port. If I may speak my own mind, I would much rather prefer a flight to Japan than South Korea or China. Japan is such a beautiful country to visit.

Well assuming this Virus issue continuous for an extended period of time, (I don't think it will) any flight to Asia will be impacted, as a flight to Japan or South Korea from AUS will be reliant on onward connections, many of which are to China.
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AUS Weekend Update

Some visuals from my previous update, an overview of the near-term capital projects for the next phase of expansion:



4-Gate Western Expansion + security area infill:



BJT Expansion with newly aligned (curved) roadway:



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[QUOTE=Mikey711MN;8838997]Some visuals from my previous update, an overview of the near-term capital projects for the next phase of expansion:

I know it's expensive, but I would much rather them relocate the tower and tracon to avoid messy looking midfield taxiway plan.
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I know it's expensive, but I would much rather them relocate the tower and tracon to avoid messy looking midfield taxiway plan.
As big ticket items that don't necessarily add capacity, those will probably stay put until absolutely necessary, i.e. adding apron space south of this newly added concourse to facilitate a potential second midfield concourse (Terminal C?).

Ultimately, a big emphasis of plan implementation is using what AUS has for as long as it can and to provide opportunities for incremental expansion.
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Some visuals from my previous update, an overview of the near-term capital projects for the next phase of expansion:



4-Gate Western Expansion + security area infill:



BJT Expansion with newly aligned (curved) roadway:



Taxiway D:


Just curious...from where were these images ascertained (specifically the one showing: "BJT Expansion with newly aligned roadway"). This one, in particular, seem to depict a drastic diversion from all of the previously published (released), imaged, and discussed plans for expanding ABIA. I thought the idea was to minimize any affect to passenger traffic?!? In fact, this idea of slightly expanding the "processing" area on the current BJT would pose a dramatic disruption to all passenger traffic versus construction of a new departure and arrival facility.

I don't believe there is any scenario in which one could expand the departure and arrival section of the BJT to be able to effectively handle 30-35 million passengers a year (which is envisioned in the 2040 plan) without massively disputing daily operations. That's why a new facility was developed in the fist place.

And what's with all that dead space between the new roadway alignment and the new garages/CONRAC facilities?

Also - notice the budget architecture? The satellite concourse in that rendering is far less aesthetically pleasing than what was previously published. And, it seems to have 22-23 gates. Is that phase one or the entire thing?

If this rendering of the terminal complex in new and current - how sad for Austin and those passengers having to navigate through all that BJT construction in the next half decade. It's a far less disruptive plan (and prettier too) to build a new processing facility and attach that to the current BJT. Heck, I really liked that park idea between the two.
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"BJT Expansion with newly aligned roadway"). This one, in particular, seem to depict a drastic diversion from all of the previously published (released), imaged, and discussed plans for expanding ABIA. I thought the idea was to minimize any affect to passenger traffic?!? In fact, this idea of slightly expanding the "processing" area on the current BJT would pose a dramatic disruption to all passenger traffic versus construction of a new departure and arrival facility.
The term "slightly" seems pretty misleading here; this rendering clearly shows several 100,000's of SF of landside expansion to the north of the existing facility.

The big difference is with the roadway alignment. Rather than running the pickup/dropoff area largely east-west along the existing alignment that runs between the old garages and CONRAC/new parking, this creates a bit more curb length by aligning the roadway in an arc.

This has added benefit of increased sight distance when approaching the terminal, i.e. once clearing the admin building, you can see the entire length of the dropoff/pickup area.

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I don't believe there is any scenario in which one could expand the departure and arrival section of the BJT to be able to effectively handle 30-35 million passengers a year (which is envisioned in the 2040 plan) without massively disputing daily operations. That's why a new facility was developed in the fist place.
Correct. The current operations are almost completely constrained by the existing roadway and garages. And neither this updated rendering nor the one shown here adds the needed capacity - much less provides flexibility for future additions - without changing the roadway and removing the garages.

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Also - notice the budget architecture? The satellite concourse in that rendering is far less aesthetically pleasing than what was previously published. And, it seems to have 22-23 gates. Is that phase one or the entire thing?
Conceptual renderings are just that - don't get too concerned about architectural details until those renderings are produced when developing the construction documents. Again, what I understand is that the new concourse will include 20 gates when opened.

Most interesting to me was the claim that the concourse (shown in dark blue) could be opened without necessarily expanding BJT first (as shown in orange) but not before the western in-fill.

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If this rendering of the terminal complex in new and current - how sad for Austin and those passengers having to navigate through all that BJT construction in the next half decade. It's a far less disruptive plan (and prettier too) to build a new processing facility and attach that to the current BJT. Heck, I really liked that park idea between the two.
Again, this latest rendering and the last one each serve to "build a new processing facility and attach that to the current BJT."

But extending BJT outwards (to the north) and curving the roadway inwards (to the south) effectively collapses the park area and leaves a void between the roadway arc and the chord of the existing CONRAC/parking garage. However, that area may present some interesting future developments - hotels, transit station, etc. - that are not currently in the plan (and therefore just my speculation).

What is critical to understand is the timing of all this: the 20-gate expansion appears to be planned before extending BJT since enough operational capacity (claims, ticketing area, etc.) is anticipated to come from the western infill.

This enables a smaller "first bite" at the Master Plan by reducing the funding needed up front to build an expanded BJT and new concourse while generally constructing parts of the terminal, i.e. gates, retail areas, etc. that produce revenue to help finance future phases.
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The term "slightly" seems pretty misleading here; this rendering clearly shows several 100,000's of SF of landside expansion to the north of the existing facility.

The big difference is with the roadway alignment. Rather than running the pickup/dropoff area largely east-west along the existing alignment that runs between the old garages and CONRAC/new parking, this creates a bit more curb length by aligning the roadway in an arc.

This has added benefit of increased sight distance when approaching the terminal, i.e. once clearing the admin building, you can see the entire length of the dropoff/pickup area.



Correct. The current operations are almost completely constrained by the existing roadway and garages. And neither this updated rendering nor the one shown here adds the needed capacity - much less provides flexibility for future additions - without changing the roadway and removing the garages.



Conceptual renderings are just that - don't get too concerned about architectural details until those renderings are produced when developing the construction documents. Again, what I understand is that the new concourse will include 20 gates when opened.

Most interesting to me was the claim that the concourse (shown in dark blue) could be opened without necessarily expanding BJT first (as shown in orange) but not before the western in-fill.



Again, this latest rendering and the last one each serve to "build a new processing facility and attach that to the current BJT."

But extending BJT outwards (to the north) and curving the roadway inwards (to the south) effectively collapses the park area and leaves a void between the roadway arc and the chord of the existing CONRAC/parking garage. However, that area may present some interesting future developments - hotels, transit station, etc. - that are not currently in the plan (and therefore just my speculation).

What is critical to understand is the timing of all this: the 20-gate expansion appears to be planned before extending BJT since enough operational capacity (claims, ticketing area, etc.) is anticipated to come from the western infill.

This enables a smaller "first bite" at the Master Plan by reducing the funding needed up front to build an expanded BJT and new concourse while generally constructing parts of the terminal, i.e. gates, retail areas, etc. that produce revenue to help finance future phases.

Very Cool! Thanks for the info. So it sounds like phase 1 of the next CIP will be:

West Infill
Center Concourse
Tunnel to Center Concourse
Apron Expansion for CC
New Taxiway for West runway
Braided airport entrance


That sounds way more manageable and fundable than the proposed phase 1 in the MP.
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