Sacramento Proposal/Approval/Construction Thread - III

[Sachornet]

Originally Posted by urbanadvocate

None of these projects are big but little by little are either adding or reshaping their neighborhoods. That to me is exciting.

Urban Elements (Julie Young) is also developing a small project at 2030 28th street. They'll be converting a single story office/retail building into a residential four-plex. The second phase of that project will include building 8 single family homes on an empty lot behind the building.

FYI - The Sacramento Business Journal is offering access to all their subscriber content this week, until the 19th (you just have to logged into a SBJ non subscription account)

[Sachornet]

Originally Posted by snfenoc

Anyone up there with a camera and a few extra hours?

The Biz Journal has some updated photos of Q19, Press Building, 1024 R Street, Marshall Hotel, etc.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/n...notable-local-construction-projects.html

[Pistola916]

This pisses me off. Once the new county courthouse gets built it's going to be difficult to demolish the property and open it up for mixed-use development. That area is pretty sterile and shuts down at 5pm. We need housing there.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/n...ouse-gunthers-among-buildings-added.html

By Ben van der Meer – Staff Writer, Sacramento Business Journal
"The historic designation could block demolition at the Sacramento County Courthouse after it's replaced with a new building at H and Sixth streets."

[snfenoc]

^^^

I totally understand. What do you do with that building once the courthouse moves? It was designed to be a courthouse. I've been in there as a juror a few times... I don't think it would convert to housing really well. Maybe it could be offices or a small university? Maybe it could be a museum? I don't like parameters, regulations and limits. These feel-good actions only serve to make a small group of people happy, while hamstringing the rest of us.

[CAGeoNerd]

I may have missed this but what is going up in the area southease of the I-5/50 interchange? It looks like a 4-5 story building but it's right next to the ramps there, I noticed it seems to have popped up recently

[snfenoc]

Originally Posted by CAGeoNerd

I may have missed this but what is going up in the area southease of the I-5/50 interchange? It looks like a 4-5 story building but it's right next to the ramps there, I noticed it seems to have popped up recently

The Evergreen Companies mixed-use at Stockton Blvd and T Streets:
240,000 square feet total
214 Apartments
21 houses fronting S Street
6000 square feet of retail

[CAGeoNerd]

Originally Posted by snfenoc

The Evergreen Companies mixed-use at Stockton Blvd and T Streets:
240,000 square feet total
214 Apartments
21 houses fronting S Street
6000 square feet of retail

That's not the right project, this one is around Broadway and 3rd Street

[Pistola916]

Originally Posted by CAGeoNerd

That's not the right project, this one is around Broadway and 3rd Street

SKK building a four story apartment complex
https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/n...ronis-planning-apartment-project-on.html

[Sac-O-Lantern]

Originally Posted by Pistola916

This pisses me off. Once the new county courthouse gets built it's going to be difficult to demolish the property and open it up for mixed-use development. That area is pretty sterile and shuts down at 5pm. We need housing there.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/n...ouse-gunthers-among-buildings-added.html

By Ben van der Meer – Staff Writer, Sacramento Business Journal
"The historic designation could block demolition at the Sacramento County Courthouse after it's replaced with a new building at H and Sixth streets."

Me too. I just emailed the staff of my City councilmember, and cc'd the preservation commission chairman, to see if there is a way to appeal the decision to the City Council. I don't see anything about appeals on the Preservation Commission website.

Ugh. I don't have time for this nonsense.

[enigma99a]

Originally Posted by Pistola916

This pisses me off. Once the new county courthouse gets built it's going to be difficult to demolish the property and open it up for mixed-use development. That area is pretty sterile and shuts down at 5pm. We need housing there.

https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/n...ouse-gunthers-among-buildings-added.html

By Ben van der Meer – Staff Writer, Sacramento Business Journal
"The historic designation could block demolition at the Sacramento County Courthouse after it's replaced with a new building at H and Sixth streets."

I can't wait for my courthouse loft! Where can I sign up?

One huge problem too is this occupies a whole city block, and it's in a prime location. Who wants to save this piece of crap?

[Korey]

In a similar vein, I've been wondering about the old Natural Resources building. Will that one get demoed when the new building is complete? Luckily with that one there's no historical considerations but even if the state were to sell it I doubt it'd be worth it to lease out, it's essentially class c with a bunch of deferred maintenance.

[snfenoc]

Originally Posted by Pistola916

SKK building a four story apartment complex
https://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/n...ronis-planning-apartment-project-on.html

Proposed in March and now 4 floors out of the ground? WOW! SKK moves fast. I am happily surprised.

[DenseCityPlease]

Originally Posted by snfenoc

^^^

I totally understand. What do you do with that building once the courthouse moves? It was designed to be a courthouse. I've been in there as a juror a few times... I don't think it would convert to housing really well. Maybe it could be offices or a small university? Maybe it could be a museum? I don't like parameters, regulations and limits. These feel-good actions only serve to make a small group of people happy, while hamstringing the rest of us.

Preserving notable architecture is not about a “feel-good action”, it is an essential means to pass down a shared cultural heritage to posterity. Before you skip over the rest of this post, understand that I’m a pro-housing advocate and lifelong student of urbanism who works for a prominent general contractor. Believe me, when it comes to urban density I’m the biggest cheerleader there is.

But buildings like this are essential time capsules that serve as a window into our past. Mid-century modernism is not just a catch phrase, it stands for something. The design allows us insight into a particular social, cultural, and political period during which art and architecture were influenced.

In this case, it is a combination of technological breakthroughs in material science and war-time scarcity of resources. Stark and repetitive geometry with an emphasis on mass and permanence reflects Cold War era global distrust and paranoia, while the lack of ornamentation shows the creeping influence of socialist thought (or the backlash against capitalist excess, if you prefer) among American intellectuals. You see, a building like this tells us an origin story about ourselves and our current society. What’s more, any great urban environment is a tableau of architectural styles from multiple era, of which modernism is no doubt an essential piece.

You sir, are a philistine, and that is the only source of hamstringing here.

[snfenoc]

It’s definitely a window into the past, one that we must deal with for a long time, now.

Call me all the names you want, and keep obfuscating the point with your million-dollar words, bombast and overvaluation of a so-so building. BUT let there be no doubt - based on your shrill, unnecessary reaction and ridiculous attack on me - it is even more clear that the forced preservation of the courthouse is a feel-good action by you and your commie-unity of preservationists. I mean, come on, you’re obviously emotionally invested. That was quite a bitter takedown. Heck, it was just like our politics these days. Well, go high five your buddies and toot your horn. Go ahead... do it... I dare you. Remember, though, you won this round, but you’re losing the war.

We have some decent developers, here in Sacramento. Hopefully, someone will take this building on and make it something great. At this point, there’s no other choice. Hamstringed.

[Deno]

A museum would be good.

[urban_encounter]

Originally Posted by DenseCityPlease

Preserving notable architecture is not about a “feel-good action”, it is an essential means to pass down a shared cultural heritage to posterity.

But buildings like this are essential time capsules that serve as a window into our past. Mid-century modernism is not just a catch phrase, it stands for something. The design allows us insight into a particular social, cultural, and political period during which art and architecture were influenced.

In this case, it is a combination of technological breakthroughs in material science and war-time scarcity of resources. Stark and repetitive geometry with an emphasis on mass and permanence reflects Cold War era global distrust and paranoia, while the lack of ornamentation shows the creeping influence of socialist thought (or the backlash against capitalist excess, if you prefer) among American intellectuals. You see, a building like this tells us an origin story about ourselves and our current society. What’s more, any great urban environment is a tableau of architectural styles from multiple era, of which modernism is no doubt an essential piece.

I have no problem with the property being identified as a building of historical interest, so long as it doesn’t inhibit the ability to do something meaningful with the property. I think whatever re-use is ultimately decided upon will require the entire building to be gutted inside and rebuilt. At that point will it make economic sense to an investor? I suppose if it was clear what uses are being imagined after its tenure as a courthouse is complete, there wouldn’t be as much angst...

The building is not as interesting as an example of mid century modern as is the original SMUD building. The courthouse is definitely brutalist and there’s no shortage of brutalist architecture in Sacramento.

[Urbanquest]

Does anyone know what’s getting build on Broadway and I believe 3rd Street?

[Dieler]

Originally Posted by Urbanquest

Does anyone know what’s getting build on Broadway and I believe 3rd Street?

On the south side of Broadway, I believe the construction is related to "The Mill" housing project. From what I understand there will be about 1000 dwellings of various types when the development is all built out.

[Urbanquest]

Originally Posted by Dieler

On the south side of Broadway, I believe the construction is related to "The Mill" housing project. From what I understand there will be about 1000 dwellings of various types when the development is all built out.

It’s on the north side of Broadway. It’s looks like a hotel or something else they are building. It has the steel frame.

[j_deguzman10]

Originally Posted by Urbanquest

It’s on the north side of Broadway. It’s looks like a hotel or something else they are building. It has the steel frame.

We recently talked about this project if you scroll up you’ll find that it’s 301 Broadway. Kolokotronis is building a 4 story apartment project there.