Winnipeg Roads & Infrastructure

[Carboy15]

https://imgur.com/a/VKk8Wn1

My rail relocation vision. Blue is CN, Red is CP. CN Letellier would replace CP La Riviere shortline. CN Letellier current should be converted to LRT. CN Emerson would still go through the city purposely, so that way it would connect to the CP Rail Park at Centreport Canada.

[Carboy15]

For my vision, I believe that the perimeter should not build grade seperations at railway crossings that are used very little. I believe that a rail bypass would be better to help with the northern Shortlines. The CP Emerson subdivision would still go through the city however, and it's that way on purpose. That's because the Emerson subdivision would link to the CP Rail park as it is a hub from the USA. CN Letellier should replace the CP La Riviere subdivision because it is a shortline, and that subdivision leads to Morris. The current CN Letellier alignment by Pembina Hwy could be replaced with (or be reserved for) LRT.
CP Emerson and CN Reddit warrant a grade seperation, which are long overdue IMO, but if they can do it after McGillvary BLVD and St Mary's interchange are finished, then it's better late than never.

[bomberjet]

File this one under the infrastructure portion of this thread.

Budget increase of $44.475 million at NEWPCC headworks project due to a shitty situation. Pun intended.

http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/DMIS/perm...240205(RM)WW-4

From the report. NWI is the northwest interceptor, which is the large sewer conveying sewage into the plant.

On June 7, 2023, following a heavy rain event, an exposed portion of the NWI failed
catastrophically in one of the new chambers. At this time, one of the tunnels was complete
(connecting both chambers) and the second was in progress. The tunnel boring machine (TBM),
a specialized piece of equipment that excavates tunnels, was contained within the second
tunnel. High flows in the NWI flooded both chambers, the completed tunnel, and the tunnel in
progress. It also submerged the TBM and all related equipment. An insurance claim has been
initiated for this event and a portion of the related costs may be reimbursed.
The NWI failure has resulted in Contract changes for:
• NWI clean-up;
• NWI repair;
• TBM recovery;
• project delay; and
• protection of the Main Street Interceptor (MSI).
The NWI clean-up includes removal of sewage and settled solids from the chambers, tunnels,
and TBM that were flooded in the initial NWI failure, and in the subsequent floods until the NWI
was repaired. The NWI repair includes design, procurement of materials, and construction
efforts to repair the failed NWI.
The TBM recovery includes repair of the TBM and its components to allow the resumption of
tunnelling operations. The project delay includes costs to extend the project schedule. The MSI
is an 88-year-old pipe that was to be exposed similar to the NWI. Additional inspection, design,
and construction effort is required to minimize the risk of the MSI failing in a similar fashion to
the NWI.

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

File this one under the infrastructure portion of this thread.

Budget increase of $44.475 million at NEWPCC headworks project due to a shitty situation. Pun intended.

http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/DMIS/perm...240205(RM)WW-4

From the report. NWI is the northwest interceptor, which is the large sewer conveying sewage into the plant.

On June 7, 2023, following a heavy rain event, an exposed portion of the NWI failed
catastrophically in one of the new chambers. At this time, one of the tunnels was complete
(connecting both chambers) and the second was in progress. The tunnel boring machine (TBM),
a specialized piece of equipment that excavates tunnels, was contained within the second
tunnel. High flows in the NWI flooded both chambers, the completed tunnel, and the tunnel in
progress. It also submerged the TBM and all related equipment. An insurance claim has been
initiated for this event and a portion of the related costs may be reimbursed.
The NWI failure has resulted in Contract changes for:
• NWI clean-up;
• NWI repair;
• TBM recovery;
• project delay; and
• protection of the Main Street Interceptor (MSI).
The NWI clean-up includes removal of sewage and settled solids from the chambers, tunnels,
and TBM that were flooded in the initial NWI failure, and in the subsequent floods until the NWI
was repaired. The NWI repair includes design, procurement of materials, and construction
efforts to repair the failed NWI.
The TBM recovery includes repair of the TBM and its components to allow the resumption of
tunnelling operations. The project delay includes costs to extend the project schedule. The MSI
is an 88-year-old pipe that was to be exposed similar to the NWI. Additional inspection, design,
and construction effort is required to minimize the risk of the MSI failing in a similar fashion to
the NWI.

Fuck me. The city should hand the keys to the province or the feds. This plant is becoming fucking insane in the overruns, delays and general bad luck.

[Jeff]

the former CAO and mayor from a couple councils ago must be salivating over this missed opportunity. it's like the police HQ fiasco times 10.

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by Jeff

the former CAO and mayor from a couple councils ago must be salivating over this missed opportunity. it's like the police HQ fiasco times 10.

The worst part is this is actively draining the budgets from other essential improvements to Winnipeg. RT? AT? Beautification? Parks and Rec? All of it are being tapped to pay this behemoth.

[Jeff]

yes it is true sewage treatment is essential and upgrades are needed for a growing city but it's like no one knows what's going on with this thing. my theory is this is likely a grand portal to an underground elite society like youtube shows you.. there's just no other logical explanation!

[bomberjet]

Being involved by proxy here. This work, much like everything else, should have been done years ago. Inflation is the killer again. The costs aren't out of line with other similar projects. Very large amount of work, deep underground. These pipes are like 100' underground. The sewer that collapsed is made of clay tile. All the major sewers in Winnipeg are and are very fragile.

So anyways, a lot of money being spent. This event is a major one and the City is accepting responsibility from what it sounds like due to the poor condition of the existing sewer. Huge amount of risk that the City is paying for now.

[plrh]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

File this one under the infrastructure portion of this thread.

Budget increase of $44.475 million at NEWPCC headworks project due to a shitty situation. Pun intended.

http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/DMIS/perm...240205(RM)WW-4

From the report. NWI is the northwest interceptor, which is the large sewer conveying sewage into the plant.

On June 7, 2023, following a heavy rain event, an exposed portion of the NWI failed
catastrophically in one of the new chambers. At this time, one of the tunnels was complete
(connecting both chambers) and the second was in progress. The tunnel boring machine (TBM),
a specialized piece of equipment that excavates tunnels, was contained within the second
tunnel. High flows in the NWI flooded both chambers, the completed tunnel, and the tunnel in
progress. It also submerged the TBM and all related equipment. An insurance claim has been
initiated for this event and a portion of the related costs may be reimbursed.
The NWI failure has resulted in Contract changes for:
• NWI clean-up;
• NWI repair;
• TBM recovery;
• project delay; and
• protection of the Main Street Interceptor (MSI).
The NWI clean-up includes removal of sewage and settled solids from the chambers, tunnels,
and TBM that were flooded in the initial NWI failure, and in the subsequent floods until the NWI
was repaired. The NWI repair includes design, procurement of materials, and construction
efforts to repair the failed NWI.
The TBM recovery includes repair of the TBM and its components to allow the resumption of
tunnelling operations. The project delay includes costs to extend the project schedule. The MSI
is an 88-year-old pipe that was to be exposed similar to the NWI. Additional inspection, design,
and construction effort is required to minimize the risk of the MSI failing in a similar fashion to
the NWI.

The tunnelling crew would have all died, but they got lucky. There was lightning and the whole job site was shutdown, because of the tower crane can't be used if there is a chance of weather. So everyone went home. A 5' diameter pipe burst under pressure and filled the excavation with sewage.

[bomberjet]

Very lucky.

The next phase of the project is something like $800 million to $1 billion. I've lost track.

[bomberjet]

If you're interested at all. Financial updates on the current and upcoming biosolids phases of the NEWPCC project.

https://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/DMIS/Vie...onId=&InitUrl=

[FactaNV]

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/br...-many-services

A significant amount of new money for roads and infrastructure in the budget. No announcements of Chief Peguis, Arlington or Kenaston.

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by FactaNV

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/br...-many-services

A significant amount of new money for roads and infrastructure in the budget. No announcements of Chief Peguis, Arlington or Kenaston.

Bit confused about this. This article says 40% of the revenue from the increase to the hotel tax is going to future capital for the convention centre. If I remember right, the CBC article said it was going to city beautification. Which is it?

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

Bit confused about this. This article says 40% of the revenue from the increase to the hotel tax is going to future capital for the convention centre. If I remember right, the CBC article said it was going to city beautification. Which is it?

I've been told by my councillor it's going to the convention centre's bridge debt which it hasn't yet been able to pay down thanks to not having the hotel that was promised almost 10 years ago. That Sutton Place delay is having a bunch of negative knock on effects. The whole idea was to have a nationally recognized luxury hotel attached to bring in large and expensive conferences like corporate conventions and the Royal College of Physicians as examples. The sooner it gets built, the sooner the RBC CC has a legit chance at these conferences.

[bomberjet]

Closing wading pools and 3 other pools. Awesome. What they should do is fund staff to actually have wading pools open for more than 2 days a week, during day time hours only.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by FactaNV

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/br...-many-services

A significant amount of new money for roads and infrastructure in the budget. No announcements of Chief Peguis, Arlington or Kenaston.

Did it mention in the article? Road spending will be down next year.

[OTA in Winnipeg]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Did it mention in the article? Road spending will be down next year.

Yeah, it says less money not more.

[Winnipegger]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Closing wading pools and 3 other pools. Awesome. What they should do is fund staff to actually have wading pools open for more than 2 days a week, during day time hours only.

Some clarification: some funding from other levels of government for accelerated road renewal ended in 2023, but the amount of property tax going into the local and regional street renewal reserves is increasing (as it has every year for quite some time). So in total, funding for road renewal is going down compared to last year but the amount of property taxes going into it is going up.

As for major capital projects like new regional roads, those are generally funded from sources outside of the local and regional street reserve. Those reserves are mainly for filling potholes and fixing existing streets. Large new capital projects will have to seek their own funding, or perhaps council will divert funding from reserves when the time comes. But no formal announcements have been made on Chief Peguis, Arlington, or Kenaston to my knowledge.

[bomberjet]

Those large projects are mentioned in the budget and as you indicated are outside the ~$130 million for roads. The $130 mil includes all the regional renewals on major routes, but not the large new roads that will cost Billions.

Of course the heavy construction association is up in arms about the reduction in spending on roads.

[Biff]

"The city plans to spend $138 million on road renewal this year, down from $156 million in 2023." WFP