ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[ATL_J]

Originally Posted by scania

You sound ridiculous. The Studio Movie and Grill in Alpharetta makes more money than any of the other dine in Theaters...including the one in Buckhead. I wish some of you stop being so shallow to living in the city.

Someone has an axe to grind.

How is a dine in movie theater relevant to a discussion about a developer building a huge, mixed use development that will contain the southeast's largest movie studio? ChrisInmanPark never even mentioned the success, or lack there of, of suburban theaters. All he said was that this development is going to create more traffic, which it will, in an area already struggling with traffic, which is true, without any long term vision to alleviate said traffic.

Whether this is a suburban development or in town development is irrelevant.

[ATLaffinity]

It's a movie STUDIO, not a tourist destination.

Still, it's not like it could have been in Midtown or Buckhead. I don't see how anyone thinks a company offering jobs is a bad thing anywhere in the MSA.

[micropundit]

Half a decade after it was killed by the economy, the newest addition to Decatur's downtown area — a five-story, mixed-use development with apartments and retail space — has been officially re-announced. Locally based Carter, which calls itself "one of the nation's leading real estate development, investment and advisory firms," issued a press release Wednesday proclaiming the pending arrival of 315 West Ponce, a $40-million project that will include 233 apartments and 10,000 square feet of street-level retail.Construction is apparently slated to start this summer — about five years after it initially lost steam — but the company offered no timeframe for completion. The folks at Carter did say 315 West Ponce will "target young professionals" and offer one-, two- and three-bedroom units, as well as a pool, clubhouse, fitness center and "two outdoor courtyards with greenspace."

http://atlanta.curbed.com/archives/2013/04/25/first-look-decaturs-40-million-mixeduse-addition.php

[ChrisInmanPark]

Originally Posted by RudyJK

It seems that some of the self styled 'urban pioneers' take great joy in bashing the hell that they perceive the Atlanta suburbs to be. My guess is that once they escape moms basement in Wetumpka or the trailer in Ocala and get a taste of city life, they cultivate some sort of superiority complex. Often, not realizing that as fluid as Atlanta's population and employment shifts are, they will probably be making the trek to Dacula or Rockmart at some point in the very near future.

I've lived in the outer suburbs, the inner suburbs and all over Buckhead, Midtown and East Atlanta. They all have their charms and their challenges. But one thing makes them eerily the same; there will always be stooges in every neighborhood that make fun of where someone else chooses to live, not realizing that having that choice is part of what makes Atlanta livable for everyone.

My point was about more suburban developments that are 100% car centric. I am a home owner in the O4W so I have a vested interest in good development and alternative modes in transportation. I think I was already in a bad mood after discovering this Alpharetta blog. They have a category on "Affluence". So who has the superiority complex now? I think you can find that attitude on both sides of 285.

http://rootsinalpharetta.com/

Of interesting and very frustrating reads are the articles and comments on this blog about the mixed use development "Avalon"

Also, why would I go out to Rockmart or Dacula? Are you suggesting that we all move to the burbs eventually?

[Immovable_Media]

Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

Southeast’s largest movie studio planned for Gwinnett site

The developer behind Midtown Atlanta’s Atlantic Station project is planning an audacious mixed-use community in Gwinnett County that would include the Southeast’s largest movie studio.

Great news for those of us who work in the Entertainment Industry! Films, TV shows and anything else that will be shot on these lots will only serve to increase the exposure of ATL, not to mention diversify our economy and crete some fun, mostly well paying jobs.

Interesting fact: In early 1910, director D. W. Griffith was sent by the Biograph Company to the west coast with his acting troupe. They started filming on a vacant lot near Georgia Street in downtown Los Angeles. While there, the company decided to explore new territories, traveling several miles north to Hollywood, a little village that was friendly and enjoyed the movie company filming there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_the_United_States

There you have it, before Hollywood, there was GEORGIA! Movies are in our blood. Manifest Destiny baby!!!

[ChrisInmanPark]

Originally Posted by scania

You sound ridiculous. The Studio Movie and Grill in Alpharetta makes more money than any of the other dine in Theaters...including the one in Buckhead. I wish some of you stop being so shallow to living in the city.

I think both of us did not fully read the article.

[scania]

Originally Posted by ATL_J

Someone has an axe to grind.

How is a dine in movie theater relevant to a discussion about a developer building a huge, mixed use development that will contain the southeast's largest movie studio? ChrisInmanPark never even mentioned the success, or lack there of, of suburban theaters. All he said was that this development is going to create more traffic, which it will, in an area already struggling with traffic, which is true, without any long term vision to alleviate said traffic.

Whether this is a suburban development or in town development is irrelevant.

LOL...clearly you didn't read everything he said. He also mentioned that nobody south of the development would be going(which i find to be absurd). He also said that anyone riding a bike to the development would probably die...this is as if Ralph Mcgill Blvd, and other streets are bike friendly. So to make myself clear, my statements was about it being supported from both the city and the suburbs.
You can believe any statements I make, I will have info to back up. I totally understand people wanting things to be urban or at least what they perceive to be urban. But, there is no reason to bash other projects that happen in the city or the metro area just because you feel that you can't ride Marta, walk, or ride a bike to the place.

[RudyJK]

Originally Posted by ChrisInmanPark

My point was about more suburban developments that are 100% car centric. I am a home owner in the O4W so I have a vested interest in good development and alternative modes in transportation. I think I was already in a bad mood after discovering this Alpharetta blog. They have a category on "Affluence". So who has the superiority complex now? I think you can find that attitude on both sides of 285.

Also, why would I go out to Rockmart or Dacula? Are you suggesting that we all move to the burbs eventually?

Since, what, 80%-90% of Atlanta's population is in the suburbs, I am suggesting that most will live there at some point in their lives.

[atlantaguy]

Originally Posted by bigstick

Does anyone know what is going on the other lot?

http://oxblue.com/open/CrescentTerminus



I know I have said it before, but this is literally flying off the ground like a rocket.

http://oxblue.com/open/SkyHouseApartments

bigstick, Circle Terminus is 3 separate buildings, so all of those lots are part of the development.

[kferq]

Originally Posted by RudyJK

It seems that some of the self styled 'urban pioneers' take great joy in bashing the hell that they perceive the Atlanta suburbs to be. My guess is that once they escape moms basement in Wetumpka or the trailer in Ocala and get a taste of city life, they cultivate some sort of superiority complex. Often, not realizing that as fluid as Atlanta's population and employment shifts are, they will probably be making the trek to Dacula or Rockmart at some point in the very near future.

I've lived in the outer suburbs, the inner suburbs and all over Buckhead, Midtown and East Atlanta. They all have their charms and their challenges. But one thing makes them eerily the same; there will always be stooges in every neighborhood that make fun of where someone else chooses to live, not realizing that having that choice is part of what makes Atlanta livable for everyone.

While it true that people who live ITP, often are close minded about the OTP (and vice versa), it is also true that there are fundamental differences in the transportation issues that arise depending on the location of a development. In a development in the suburbs, mass transit options are going to be more limited and the impact on auto traffic will be higher. It will be harder for tourists from Atlanta's convention base to attend because many intentionally avoid renting a car or are uncomfortable driving in a strange city (foreign tourists especially). On the other hand people from rural areas or small towns can be uncomfortable driving in the city and may be happier to visit a suburban attraction.

Second there is a difference in the perception of driving distance when you live ITP or OTP. I live and work ITP and drive less than 8000 miles a year including yearly rips to Asheville and the beach. Getting to a concert in Gwinett is like driving to Athens to me. The extra driving time of getting to the Opera at Cobb Energy Center outweighed the much better acoustics when I decided on renewing season tickets (although I have now discovered you can park at a nearby strip mall and walk like I do in Midtown. The parking is terrible). People who live OTP are used to spending more time in cars and the same amount of travel seems like no inconvenience at all to them. Studies have shown that city dwellers are less likely to go to suburban entertainment locations than suburbanites are to come into the city (the same is even more true about houses of worship).

Movie studios need a lot of land and that is more available farther from downtown. A suburban location for a mixed use development based on a studio makes sense (Hollywood was farmland when it was developed). But there are certain people who will be less likely to visit that location.

[ATL_J]

Originally Posted by scania

LOL...clearly you didn't read everything he said. He also mentioned that nobody south of the development would be going(which i find to be absurd). He also said that anyone riding a bike to the development would probably die...this is as if Ralph Mcgill Blvd, and other streets are bike friendly. So to make myself clear, my statements was about it being supported from both the city and the suburbs.
You can believe any statements I make, I will have info to back up. I totally understand people wanting things to be urban or at least what they perceive to be urban. But, there is no reason to bash other projects that happen in the city or the metro area just because you feel that you can't ride Marta, walk, or ride a bike to the place.

I read everything, it was just most of your response was so inane I didn't bother addressing it (lol). But to address it, why would anyone south of this development go to this "mixed-use" development? Why would I drive there? I have a million other places to go and at worst I'd go to Lenox if for some reason a store wasn't located in town or I couldn't buy it online. So, to address the "nobody south of the development would go" argument, I think he has a fair point.

Lets get rid of this urban / suburban dichotomy and focus instead on smart development, which can occur anywhere. Unregulated, unplanned growth without thought for side effects and future impact, which I believe is what ChrisInmanPark is getting at, is bad whether its happening in Atlanta or Alpharetta.

[A-town]

Originally Posted by atlantaguy

bigstick, Circle Terminus is 3 separate buildings, so all of those lots are part of the development.

True, but the name of that development is now Crescent Terminus.

[delarosa]

Originally Posted by ATL_J

So, to address the "nobody south of the development would go" argument, I think he has a fair point.

It seems like, as usual, people are talking past each other about different things. But in terms of this point, I know a lot of intown (and anywhere else south of Gwinnett) industry folk who would theoretically be driving there for one very good reason...work. And actually, the northbound morning commute to that location would be relatively straightforward (there might even be shuttle service at some point to say nothing of carpools both of which could leverage HOV facilities). The afternoon is another story...though given the nature of the industry, if the southbound portion is sufficiently before or after 5pm, probably not a huge deal either.

[scania]

Originally Posted by delarosa

It seems like, as usual, people are talking past each other about different things. But in terms of this point, I know a lot of intown (and anywhere else south of Gwinnett) industry folk who would theoretically be driving there for one very good reason...work. And actually, the northbound morning commute to that location would be relatively straightforward (there might even be shuttle service at some point to say nothing of carpools both of which could leverage HOV facilities). The afternoon is another story...though given the nature of the industry, if the southbound portion is sufficiently before or after 5pm, probably not a huge deal either.

Thank You.

[scania]

Originally Posted by ATL_J

I read everything, it was just most of your response was so inane I didn't bother addressing it (lol).

Are you serious??? You DID address my statement. That's why I responded to you.

[atlantaguy]

Originally Posted by A-town

True, but the name of that development is now Crescent Terminus.

Thanks, A-town. Guess I'm falling behind on goings on around town...

[bigstick]

Originally Posted by A-town

True, but the name of that development is now Crescent Terminus.

Thanks to both you guys...........

[scania]

Originally Posted by A-town

The crane is up at Crescent Terminus




Website: http://www.crescentterminus.com/
Webcam: http://oxblue.com/open/CrescentTerminus

I just really analyze the plans, and this is going to make a nice impact to that area.

[ATLaffinity]

Was this already posted? Would be huge for Intown and its arrogant residents.

Coke could move suburban jobs downtown

Coca-Cola expects to relocate at least 500 workers from suburban Cobb County to downtown Atlanta in the largest single move of private sector employees to the city’s core in recent memory, individuals with knowledge of the company’s plans said Thursday. The pending move is part of a recent surge of in-town migration by large corporations.

Atlanta-based Coke is looking at the SunTrust Banks headquarters complex as its preferred location, according to the two individuals, but a deal has not yet been signed.

[Blueiguy84]

Here are some pictures of the progress being made at 131 Ponce and the Proton Cancer Treatment Center as of 4/27/13

IMG_0237 by Blueiguy84, on Flickr

IMG_0236 by Blueiguy84, on Flickr