Manitoba Highways

[WildCake]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

The piece mentions realigning 206 3/4 of a mile west. Maybe if they realign the bit on the north side as well they could create a simple diamond. It would make sense anyway and wouldn't be terribly expensive to do either. I don't oppose this as long as the infrastructure is adapted to allow for it. Sorta surprised that they wouldn't try and get it closer to Lorette to allow for connection to the water system though, I guess the draw is the centre of Canada thing.

Yes I want to clarify that I don't oppose this development per se but it irks me that their definition of infrastructure upgrades along the TCH is a set of lights, right when they are finally getting to the problematic lights on perimeter. Hopefully it's just bad media reporting.

As for alignment of an interchange they would probably need to shift the TCH north a little bit to allow clearance from the rail line. Won't be as disruptive as Deacons corner will require.

[Wpgstvsouth94]

I certainly hope that’s a joke mentioning a new set of traffic lights in the center of our national highway system..

[Dengler Avenue]

Funny enough, back then, when the Town of Virdun asked for the land around MB-257 which was intended for a diamond, M.I.T. said no.
I hope the same happens here.

[Wpgstvsouth94]

There has to be a number to call to complain about this and push for an interchange. It’s 2021 already this province needs to get with the times. I drive that stretch regularly both rush hour and leisure. It’s wall to wall traffic most of the day. An interchange is crucial here.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

I certainly hope that’s a joke mentioning a new set of traffic lights in the center of our national highway system..

Honestly, if something as infuriatingly stupid as roundabout @ 1&16 can be proposed, I don’t hold my breath on this one.

[bomberjet]

What should be done is close the west leg of 206 intersection, and re-align everything to the east leg. A diamond should be proposed here and the land reserved for it.

I seriously doubt MI will allow any new lights to go up there. With the way they've been doing things recently, a la South Perimeter. At least I hope.

[Wpgstvsouth94]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

What should be done is close the west leg of 206 intersection, and re-align everything to the east leg. A diamond should be proposed here and the land reserved for it.

I seriously doubt MI will allow any new lights to go up there. With the way they've been doing things recently, a la South Perimeter. At least I hope.

When you look on google maps satellite view it makes perfect sense!

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

What should be done is close the west leg of 206 intersection, and re-align everything to the east leg. A diamond should be proposed here and the land reserved for it.

I seriously doubt MI will allow any new lights to go up there. With the way they've been doing things recently, a la South Perimeter. At least I hope.

New light on St Nobert Bypass though...

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

New light on St Nobert Bypass though...

Yup. An Embarrassment.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

When you look on google maps satellite view it makes perfect sense!

Of course it makes sense. I said it! lol jk.

Seriously though a lot of common sense can be found by simply looking at the map. I've said before, MI can pay me $3 million and I'll give them a functional plan in 5 minutes haha. Along this stretch of highway, the railway complicates things a bit. But can be dealt with.

Existing interchange at #12.
Diamond interchange at east leg of 207. Realign PR 500 to that location on the north side.
Diamond interchange at 206 like I mentioned.
Diamond interchange in the area of Station Road.
Diamond interchange at west leg of 207 (deacons) with #1 realigned to the northside of the gas station.
Close everything else and build access roads as needed.

Okay there its yours for free. $100 million and it's done. Split that over a few years and it's actually doable. #1 is in good condition and would need zero work. Just add the on/off ramps in and it's easy peasy.

[Wpgstvsouth94]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Of course it makes sense. I said it! lol jk.

Seriously though a lot of common sense can be found by simply looking at the map. I've said before, MI can pay me $3 million and I'll give them a functional plan in 5 minutes haha. Along this stretch of highway, the railway complicates things a bit. But can be dealt with.

Existing interchange at #12.
Diamond interchange at east leg of 207. Realign PR 500 to that location and close everything else.
Diamond interchange at 206 like I mentioned.
Diamond interchange in the area of Sifton Road.
Diamond interchange at west leg of 207 (deacons) with #1 realigned to the northside of the gas station.


Okay there its yours for free.

Haha so true! When you look at railways up against the interstate in the US. They just expand the span of the diamond interchange to accommodate the railway crossing. Not a hard scenario. Hey you mentioned the 12 interchange. I wonder if they plan on paving and fixing the deck on top of the interchange it’s full of holes the merge lane merges into a giant pothole a separation from the concrete in the asphalt... The section that they paved at Dufresne on the concrete side of number one going eastbound on each side where the concrete meets the new asphalt they left a giant dip. It’s horrible

[Kinguni]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

The piece mentions realigning 206 3/4 of a mile west. Maybe if they realign the bit on the north side as well they could create a simple diamond. It would make sense anyway and wouldn't be terribly expensive to do either. I don't oppose this as long as the infrastructure is adapted to allow for it. Sorta surprised that they wouldn't try and get it closer to Lorette to allow for connection to the water system though, I guess the draw is the centre of Canada thing.

One problem with realigning 206 to the west is that between 206 S and Station road is a CNR passing siding. CN would have to come on board to move that siding as well. It's a busy rail line too.

[Biff]

I'm not sure how they classify some of these as shovel ready. Shovel ready means design complete, sitting on a shelf somewhere waiting for funding. None of those have any design work done except for very conceptual work. Most don't even have land secured.

Either way, good luck to them.


From today's WFP - https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bu...574006132.html

"The Business Council of Manitoba.....The National Trade Corridors Fund is a "merit-based" program designed to help infrastructure owners and users invest in "critical assets that support economic activity and the physical movement of goods and people," according to the federal government.

A total of $2.3 billion over 11 years has been allocated under the fund. But there have been no updates on this since early 2020.

"Manitoba needs to ensure the flow of people, so the provincial government can also start this process by taking on some important projects that will help kick-start trade activity," said Strain. "And many of them are not only green, but there may even be opportunities for some types of public-private partnerships and tax incremental financing."

Some of those "shovel-ready" projects include:

• Construction of the South Perimeter, Headingley bypasses, or Chief Peguis extension to facilitate improved travel times;

• Rail relocations from within areas of residential commute to the southern end;

• Improvements to Highway 75 South to mitigate flooding;

• Construction of a high-speed interchange at the junction of highways 1 and 16. "

[Dengler Avenue]

I’d like to see someone try navigating a roundabout at 110 km/h in an 18-wheeler.

[1ajs]

herd via my local CAO that 391 is proposed to get seal coat on the rest of the gravel section between nelson house and leaf rapids and replacement of 2 bridges. ine on the churchill river and the one just north of the turn off to nelson house

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Kinguni

One problem with realigning 206 to the west is that between 206 S and Station road is a CNR passing siding. CN would have to come on board to move that siding as well. It's a busy rail line too.

Actually I think it's located perfectly. To deal with the railway, 206 and Station Rd would have to go over both the railway and the highway. If it goes the other way (highway over the crossing roads), the siding stays where it is.
They'd have to figure out how to fit the ramps for the eastbound lanes of the highways in there.

It would also be the best for the rail to make this section of highway a freeway and close every single crossing there.

[bomberjet]

The Business council is talking out their butt. Wouldn't take any of that seriously. They're just trying to exert pressure.

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Actually I think it's located perfectly. To deal with the railway, 206 and Station Rd would have to go over both the railway and the highway. If it goes the other way (highway over the crossing roads), the siding stays where it is.
They'd have to figure out how to fit the ramps for the eastbound lanes of the highways in there.

It would also be the best for the rail to make this section of highway a freeway and close every single crossing there.

Yeah I always pictured something like this

Capture by Simon Reimer, on Flickr

[Spocket]

I'm pretty sure they'll just divert the highway to create a bend that allows more room for an overpass as it's bound to be cheaper. I doubt there's enough traffic to warrant a rail overpass but I guess if they decided there was need for an interchange there might be need for the rail separation as well.

[bomberjet]

Looking at the simple diamonds proposed for the South Perimeter, they need quite a bit of room for the ramps. So it might make more sense to put #1 over top, with retaining walls to hold the embankment back to fit in the ramps. That would leave the rail crossing at grade. Probably put gates on the railway crossing as sightlines arent good. Relatively minor details.