Chief William Commanda Bridge (former Prince of Wales Bridge)

[Ottawaresident]

True

[OCCheetos]

Pier rehabilitation is included in the 2019 draft budget with a completion year of 2021.

The purpose is for "preservation".

[J.OT13]

Is this the first time the City commits (I know it's a draft budget) to investing money in the bridge since they bought it?

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Is this the first time the City commits (I know it's a draft budget) to investing money in the bridge since they bought it?

You mean building the chain-link fences and dispatching the cops to stake out the Ottawa end of it wasn't an investment?

[1overcosc]

Here's my idea for interprovincial transit, incorporate many of our collective fantasies



First off, in this vision I've extended the Trillium line downtown (as an LRT conversion) along a second tunnel route in the southern part of the CBD as I've proposed before (underneath Gloucester or Nepean Street, maybe) that also continues as the much dreamed of Rideau-Montreal subway.

In this idea, STO converts the rapibus to electric LRT (I've marked the STO lines in light blue) and the STO LRT goes through the Hull CBD and cross over to terminate at Rideau. From Rideau, the STO lines use the track of the second CBD tunnel to directly access the CBD, terminating at Kent.

There's also an O-Train line that uses the PoW bridge to cross from Bayview into Hull, and then shares the STO's LRT tracks through the CBD and back to Rideau.

I thought about this after making the image, but a station between Rideau and Museum to serve the National Gallery and the northern end of the market would be a good addition to this.

[Ottawaresident]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Here's my idea for interprovincial transit, incorporate many of our collective fantasies

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I would change it by making tne Trillium Line go north. The brown line could go from the Bayview hub to Rideau and King Edward ... I would also make another line go south from Portage, south down Lyon and Kent. This would eventually merge onto Bank in the Glebe, being the trunk line as the Trillium does not serve very many places, and it runs through mainly low density and green land, but Trillium could be kept as the "Express" line and making the Bank line being the main "Local" line. The STO lines are fine, but I would merge the line south of Montcalm into the POW Bridge. But overall, quite achevable in my view and except for a few realignments and additions, quite useful.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Here's my idea for interprovincial transit, incorporate many of our collective fantasies

First off, in this vision I've extended the Trillium line downtown (as an LRT conversion) along a second tunnel route in the southern part of the CBD as I've proposed before (underneath Gloucester or Nepean Street, maybe) that also continues as the much dreamed of Rideau-Montreal subway.

In this idea, STO converts the rapibus to electric LRT (I've marked the STO lines in light blue) and the STO LRT goes through the Hull CBD and cross over to terminate at Rideau. From Rideau, the STO lines use the track of the second CBD tunnel to directly access the CBD, terminating at Kent.

There's also an O-Train line that uses the PoW bridge to cross from Bayview into Hull, and then shares the STO's LRT tracks through the CBD and back to Rideau.

I thought about this after making the image, but a station between Rideau and Museum to serve the National Gallery and the northern end of the market would be a good addition to this.

I am curious how you would get the blue line from Rideau to Metcalfe. The track would be on the wrong side of the canal, angled to the south east and at an elevation under the roads but above the canal. It would be an awfully sharp turn with a steep elevation change.

Similarly getting the Green line from Bayview to Bronson would be a challenge, though I guess you could have it run backwards.

[lrt's friend]

This is effectively my downtown loop concept with the additional feeds coming from north, south and east. The brown route should do the full circle and the blue Gatineau routes should be bi-directional and also do the full circle. One blue route going clockwise and the other counter-clockwise.

The challenge is how this can connect to Rideau Station.

My original idea had it be a surface route on Albert and Slater in reserved lanes and cross the MacKenzie King bridge and then cross through the Market (Dalhousie), which gets us within a block of Rideau Station.

Doing it as a tunnel means a number of broad curves from the Interprovincial Bridge through the market and then curve back to perhaps Laurier. How close will this be going to the American Embassy and DND headquarters to execute reasonable curves?

At Bayview needs corridors preserved from the Trillium Line and the POW bridge to curve rail onto or under Albert Street.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Doing it as a tunnel means a number of broad curves from the Interprovincial Bridge through the market and then curve back to perhaps Laurier. How close will this be going to the American Embassy and DND headquarters to execute reasonable curves?

What difference would proximity to either of those latter two buildings make?

[GoTrans]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Here's my idea for interprovincial transit, incorporate many of our collective fantasies



First off, in this vision I've extended the Trillium line downtown (as an LRT conversion) along a second tunnel route in the southern part of the CBD as I've proposed before (underneath Gloucester or Nepean Street, maybe) that also continues as the much dreamed of Rideau-Montreal subway.

In this idea, STO converts the rapibus to electric LRT (I've marked the STO lines in light blue) and the STO LRT goes through the Hull CBD and cross over to terminate at Rideau. From Rideau, the STO lines use the track of the second CBD tunnel to directly access the CBD, terminating at Kent.

There's also an O-Train line that uses the PoW bridge to cross from Bayview into Hull, and then shares the STO's LRT tracks through the CBD and back to Rideau.

I thought about this after making the image, but a station between Rideau and Museum to serve the National Gallery and the northern end of the market would be a good addition to this.

I would make your green line an extension of the Confederation Line from Rideau along Montreal Road and with an interchange station at Montreal station as it would balance out the 2 branches in the west with 2 branches in the east. The line could be extended from Montreal Station at Hwy 174 to Innes Road at a future date.

The balance of the green line should be cross on the POW bridge and end at Rideau or continue west to Gladstone and end their.
The Blue line from Alymer should cross the POS bridge and end at Bayview. The Blue line from Gatineau should follow the green line on the Quebec side and end at Rideau.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

What difference would proximity to either of those latter two buildings make?

security plus added risks to the public if terrorists wanted to do something stupid under those buildings.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by GoTrans

I would make your green line an extension of the Confederation Line from Rideau along Montreal Road and with an interchange station at Montreal station as it would balance out the 2 branches in the west with 2 branches in the east. The line could be extended from Montreal Station at Hwy 174 to Innes Road at a future date.

The balance of the green line should be cross on the POW bridge and end at Rideau or continue west to Gladstone and end their.
The Blue line from Alymer should cross the POS bridge and end at Bayview. The Blue line from Gatineau should follow the green line on the Quebec side and end at Rideau.

I really don't think it is practical to have any terminating routes with a loop plan. Trains have to keep moving around the loop at all times otherwise trains on different routes will interfere with each other which will negatively affect travel times and the number of passengers that can be moved.

This is what I would see:

Route 2 - Airport to downtown and continuing to Montreal Road every 10 minutes (service on the south half of the loop to access hotels quickly)
Route 2a - Riverside South to downtown Hull and returning via downtown Ottawa (clockwise) every 10 minutes
Route 3 - Downtown loop clockwise every 10 minutes (for tourists and the increasing number of downtown residents)
Route 3a - Downtown loop counterclockwise every 10 minutes (for tourists and the increasing number of downtown residents)
Route 4 - Aylmer to counterclockwise around the downtown loop every 10 minutes
Route 5 - Gatineau sector to downtown Hull then to the Montreal Route every 10 minutes (service on the north half of the loop to provide quick access to east end employment area)

I would run Route 3 and 3a over the Chaudiere Bridge to access Zibi more directly. Route 2a and 4 would cross the POW bridge. Route 2a, 3, 3a, 4, 5 would cross the Interprovincial Bridge.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

security plus added risks to the public if terrorists wanted to do something stupid under those buildings.

Stupid like what?

There's damn near nothing a person can do in a transit tunnel, vertically separated by tens of feet at least, from surface structures, that will significantly harm those structures.

A boom-thingie (I hesitate to use the real word!) is going to be very bad for the train, tunnel, or station it's in, but you're not going to be able so smuggle anything into a transit system that'll make the surrounding geology crack.

[J.OT13]

In the case of the American Embassy, the building goes deep underground, therefore a tunnel running along its basement could cause an issue. Even when the Confederation Line was built, the contractors pierced a hole in SunLife's parking garage.

Even if the risk was slim to none, there is still a perception that it could be unsafe. During the planning stages, some government officials raised concerns about a tunnel's risk to the Parliamentary Precinct.

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

In the case of the American Embassy, the building goes deep underground, therefore a tunnel running along its basement could cause an issue. Even when the Confederation Line was built, the contractors pierced a hole in SunLife's parking garage.

Even if the risk was slim to none, there is still a perception that it could be unsafe. During the planning stages, some government officials raised concerns about a tunnel's risk to the Parliamentary Precinct.

Good Day.

This.... in spades. It has long been a behind-the-scenes bug-bear against any and all interconnecting tunnels in the downtown district between buildings, let alone a transit system. The only reason PdV got away with any interconnections was that it was amongst itselves. The other widely stated reason - that the private owners of each of the towers / complexes did not want any, as true or not as may be - has long been discredited given Toronto and Montreal precedent.

IMHO.

[Gat-Train]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Stupid like what?

There's damn near nothing a person can do in a transit tunnel, vertically separated by tens of feet at least, from surface structures, that will significantly harm those structures.

A boom-thingie (I hesitate to use the real word!) is going to be very bad for the train, tunnel, or station it's in, but you're not going to be able so smuggle anything into a transit system that'll make the surrounding geology crack.

This. Expect a lot of hand-wringing and pearl-clutching if we decide to go this route

[jchilds72]

"Can a boom thingee in a tunnel in that area cause something like the hole thingee on Rideau St.?", he asked, wringing his hands around tightly clutched pearls.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

In the case of the American Embassy, the building goes deep underground, therefore a tunnel running along its basement could cause an issue. Even when the Confederation Line was built, the contractors pierced a hole in SunLife's parking garage.

If that's a constraint, then build the tunnel with sufficient vertical and horizontal separation. This is an imaginary problem.

Even if the risk was slim to none, there is still a perception that it could be unsafe.

And the reason we should pander to misguided "perceptions" is: ?

During the planning stages, some government officials raised concerns about a tunnel's risk to the Parliamentary Precinct.

Yes, they raised stupid, pointless, groundless concerns.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by jchilds72

"Can a boom thingee in a tunnel in that area cause something like the hole thingee on Rideau St.?", he asked, wringing his hands around tightly clutched pearls.

No, because the force of a boom takes the path of least resistance, which is entirely within the tunnel.

[Richard Eade]

Are we trying to see how far from the theme of the thread we can get?