Cambie Corridor Updates - Page 35

BodomReaper · #**681** Posted **Feb 11, 2018, 12:56 AM**

I drive past Regent frequently, and get properly sad each time. Utterly insane to have no retail and a <3.0 FSR literally next door to a rapid transit station that gets you downtown in 7 minutes. Everything about the Cambie Corridor planning process has been a farce.

csbvan · #**682** Posted **Feb 11, 2018, 1:45 AM**

That's pathetic.

giallo · #**683** Posted **Feb 11, 2018, 4:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by BodomReaper

I drive past Regent frequently, and get properly sad each time. Utterly insane to have no retail and a <3.0 FSR literally next door to a rapid transit station that gets you downtown in 7 minutes. Everything about the Cambie Corridor planning process has been a farce.

That's the COV for you.

Honestly, I didn't really have high hopes for the Cambie Corridor. One only needs to look at the handling of the Broadway/Commercial transit hub to get a sense of how this city deals with TODs outside of the downtown core.

In contrast, look at Port Moody, and their massive plan to take advantage of both of the stations running through the city. It's pretty impressive.

Vin · #**684** Posted **Feb 11, 2018, 4:55 AM**

We have been told.many times it's not the city's fault.

jlousa · #**685** Posted **Feb 11, 2018, 5:57 AM**

While I would've liked to see retail/commercial along the whole corridor as well but I don't think the density being proposed is out of scale. The old homes would probably be in the .5FSR range and we are now looking at 6times that density. Remember the Canada Line just like the Expo and M-Line are main lines and meant to be feed by the existing feeder routes. You can't just build up the stations and forget the original purpose of the line...to carry everyone in the catchment area.

GMD · #**686** Posted **Feb 11, 2018, 6:41 AM**

To me, that is one of the advantages of having so many municipalities in the region. If it was all one city, everything past broadway/main would be considered outer suburbs and developed accordingly, but instead each municipality is building its own downtown(s).

One quibble would be that Port Moody hasn't built much of anything for a while and council remains pretty finely balanced between pro and anti development sides and a lot of locals want to preserve the 'small-town feel' (AKA the block after block of hideous strip malls, derelict gas stations, falling down tiny houses, car dealerships and decrepit commercial buildings lining St. John's east of Moody St.).

I'd say Coquitlam is doing better at developing along the Evergreen extension so far (especially at Burquitlam). But maybe Port Moody will get it together in the next few years and some of the plans will actually turn into realities.

Migrant_Coconut · #**687** Posted **Feb 11, 2018, 6:47 AM**

Note that Marine Gateway's half-empty for most of the day despite having a third more foot traffic. More retail/F&B would be nice, but not if it's going to only last a few months.

s211 · #**688** Posted **Feb 11, 2018, 8:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by giallo

That's the COV for you.

Honestly, I didn't really have high hopes for the Cambie Corridor.

As soon as no-name offshore developers moved in, the whole plan took a nosedive.

And the plan? Cookie cutter 5-6 stories all along Cambie Street, most of it not near a transit hub, and that's a "plan"?

officedweller · #**689** Posted **Feb 12, 2018, 1:52 AM**

For Vancouver, it's still a step forward (sad, I know).

Vancouver's previous policy - before Vision and Canada Line -
was NOT to upzone in response to the presence of rapid transit stations.

The City's official policy was to serve demand, not create demand.

ClaytonA · #**690** Posted **Feb 12, 2018, 2:08 AM**

So why aren't they zoning that for 41 Ave, Broadway on the west side, and Hastings where the BRT's are going into service over the next couple years?

I'd vote for someone, with this in their platform in the fall.

officedweller · #**691** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 2:42 AM**

From VancouverMarket.ca.
Must have tall ceiling heights....

First phase of Dogwood Pearson Lands:
(Should this get its own thread or stay with Cambie?)

Quote:

The first phase “Parcel A” entails development of an 81,142 SF parcel on the Southeast corner of the site, at the corner of Cambie and West 59th Avenue. The proposal includes the following:
◾445 total residential units (307 market units & 138 social housing units);
◾44 Pearson supportive units;
◾13,136 SF of retail uses on the ground floor;
◾building heights of 285 ft (26-storeys) and 243 ft (22-storeys);
◾a total density of 5.86 FSR;
◾475,420 sq. ft. of floor area;
◾a diagonal pathway accessing the interior of the larger site; and,
◾four levels of underground parking accessed from a new internal street.

http://www.vancouvermarket.ca/2018/02/20...wood-redevelopment-to-include-445-units/

osirisboy · #**692** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 3:14 AM**

Well that looks interesting. I like the use of brick

idunno · #**693** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 3:23 AM**

Me too.

I guess it's the northeast corner that will (maybe) have the Canada Line station, or has that ship sailed?

Migrant_Coconut · #**694** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 5:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by idunno

Me too.

I guess it's the northeast corner that will (maybe) have the Canada Line station, or has that ship sailed?

IIRC, the station is still on the table - the problem is that there's no money for it.

Feathered Friend · #**695** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 8:07 AM**

The February 14th UDP meeting started out with the development application for the first phase of the Pearson Dogwood redevelopment. Unfortunately, I was only able to grab a couple photos of the model before it was put away in the closet of the townhall room. Amidst more than a few jokes about how incorporating Dogwood Trees, the panel ultimately passed the project. For the details, see the newest City Duo post below.

https://cityduo.wordpress.com/2018/02/21...es-approves-of-pearson-dogwood-parcel-a/

WarrenC12 · #**696** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 4:22 PM**

Building this whole block out without extracting the necessary funding for the 57th Ave station is insane.

Changing City · #**697** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 5:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Building this whole block out without extracting the necessary funding for the 57th Ave station is insane.

They are 'extracting' funding - $20m and a location for a station. "The construction of the Canada Line allowed for a future station to be located at 57th Avenue and Cambie Street and the proponent has agreed to a financial contribution towards the future construction, which is further discussed in the transportation section below."

They're just not sure if they can extract enough, as the amount that was anticipated to be needed to build a new station is apparently a lot less than is now thought to be needed.

Nevertheless; "The plaza (at 57th) will also accommodate a station entrance at grade should a potential Canada Line Station be realized at this location."

Here's the longer version from the rezoning report;

"Though it is desirable to achieve a future station at 57th Avenue there are a number of key challenges. Currently, the station is not considered in regional transportation plans and is not considered a regional priority such as the Broadway Corridor line. Existing transit access and the lack of east-west bus connectivity is also a challenge. While the existing design of the Canada Line considered future stations at 57th and 33rd Avenue, the design provided no access or tunnel connection to the line and construction is anticipated to be technically complex and highly costly. Given this, the future station is considered a longer term possibility.

Staff see the benefit of continuing to pursue this opportunity in future updates to transit plans and agreements. Securing the land through dedication for a station entrance and seeking a financial community amenity contribution from development is key to continuing to explore and advance the potential of a future station at this location in the long term. Policy planning for Pearson Dogwood occurred in 2013/2014, after the Canada Line was operational August, 2009. The need for a station is associated with community planning for this site as well as Langara Gardens, currently undergoing a policy planning process. The timing of local area planning relative to the onstruction and operation of the Canada Line has necessitated a unique, site-specific approach with a developer contribution to advance the potential of a future station at this location.

As part of this rezoning application an 8,000 sq. ft. parcel will be dedicated to the City at the northeast corner of the site at 57th Avenue and Cambie Street to accommodate a potential station entrance and sub-ground connections. As well, a $20,000,000 cash contribution will be secured from the applicant in the first two phases of development as a contribution towards the construction of a future station. Staff will seek similar contributions from future major project rezoning proposals adjacent to the site while also pursuing opportunities and discussions with TransLink and other key stakeholders to pursue the potential to realize a future station."

WarrenC12 · #**698** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 5:14 PM**

Thanks for the detail. So the big question is how much more than $20m will this cost? Another $20m could surely be found from a mix of government levels and Translink. It's a rounding error for the Provincial government.

phesto · #**699** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 5:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Thanks for the detail. So the big question is how much more than $20m will this cost? Another $20m could surely be found from a mix of government levels and Translink. It's a rounding error for the Provincial government.

A 2014 construction cost estimate by Translink was $90 Million. That is just the station construction. There would be additional costs associated with changes to the system, service disruption etc. You'd be well over $100 Million now.

Translink has stated that the station is not a priority, and even if the City and/or developers cover the entire cost, it won't happen in the next decade.

(Source: http://council.vancouver.ca/20171128/documents/motionb3.pdf)

WarrenC12 · #**700** Posted **Feb 22, 2018, 5:47 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by phesto

A 2014 construction cost estimate by Translink was $90 Million. That is just the station construction. There would be additional costs associated with changes to the system, service disruption etc. You'd be well over $100 Million now.

Translink has stated that the station is not a priority, and even if the City and/or developers cover the entire cost, it won't happen in the next decade.

(Source: http://council.vancouver.ca/20171128/documents/motionb3.pdf)

Wow, brutal. What is the above ground Capstan station costing?

At this rate, 33rd will never get built. They've already "redeveloped" around there.