The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 35

Gerrard · #**681** Posted **Apr 10, 2011, 2:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

You're just butthurt cause the "ugly, soulless, shithole Toronto" replaced your city years ago as Canada's global city, the centre of jobs, the centre of business, centre of the economy, sports capital of Canada, etc.

I'd have to disagree with you. Montreal was never really a global city in the same way Toronto became.

If anything the powers that be, imagined that Montreal at its height represented the apex of what a Canadian city could achieve on the global stage but really didn't expect it or no other Canadian city to go beyond that.

I imagine it surprised them to no end what did happen. And it is party why Toronto has a subway system that's still stuck in second city Canada c. 1950 and why Canada's shiniest biggest most important and (yes most interesting) city looks like no one ever bothered to invest in it: by the time Canada had an imperial city, the death of imagination had settled in and Ontario and its people sold their souls to become Captains Canada.

MonkeyRonin · #**682** Posted **Apr 10, 2011, 3:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by habfanman

Calling for the ban of someone who believes that Toronto is a hugely disappointing waste of concrete is.. very Torontonian!

Its cool if someone doesn't like Toronto, however, your entire existence is devoted to your psychotic obsession with Toronto (something which when questioned on, you've never answered by the way).

For the record, going into habfanman's post history, of his 20 most recent posts, 11 are either specifically about how awful Toronto is (or Canada), or contain some reference to it. Which is actually a pretty good rate by his standards, because going into the next 20 posts, that jumps to 16 out of 20. I'd imagine most other pages are similar.

His entire reason for posting here is to antagonize, simple as that. He's just smart enough to avoid blatant racism or flaming other forumers. Text-book trolling, really.

caltrane74 · #**683** Posted **Apr 10, 2011, 5:12 PM**

Just be sure not to fall into any traps he lays with regards to his trolling.... and we should be ok.

Anyways.. back to transit.

The new LRT trainsets which will be delivered to Toronto over the next 5 years will almost double the lenght of the existing fleet, and we will basically have mini trains plying downtown Toronto streets. I hope these more comfortable and spacious LRT vehicles will relieve some of the pressure from the subway system downtown. Also looking forward to the new subways coming online in the next few months which will increase capacity and improved tech that will reduce headway and further increase capacity.

New Streetcar replacements - 50% longer than the existing fleet

from thestar.com

caltrane74 · #**684** Posted **Apr 10, 2011, 7:02 PM**

New Toronto subways increase capacity by 30 to 50% by moving the cab forward, allowing access between cars, and new technology that allows for much lower headways between trains.

Moving the cab outside of the coach - tickoff

This is obviously a stopgap measure until a relief line can be built downtown.

ToxiK · #**685** Posted **Apr 10, 2011, 9:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Hey with the price of gas set to explode in the near future, transit ridership will take off. We are not prepared for the coming transit ridership increase.

You are right. The current high in oil prices id caused by the troubles in Lybia and such, and people believe that it is just temporary. But in a few years, oil prices will rise because of the increased demand, and then it wont come back down. We're better be ready for that otherwise our economy will suffer.

Can you imagin an increase of let say 10% in public transit ridership in just a year? In Montréal, the metro is too often at full capacity at rush hour. An sudden increase would cause a lot of problems.

The_Architect · #**686** Posted **Apr 10, 2011, 10:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Gerrard

I'd have to disagree with you. Montreal was never really a global city in the same way Toronto became.

If anything the powers that be, imagined that Montreal at its height represented the apex of what a Canadian city could achieve on the global stage but really didn't expect it or no other Canadian city to go beyond that.

My reference to Montreal from the 60's and early 70's is greatly to do with the fact that it was Canada's largest, the home of all the banks and most business, then their events such as Expo 67 (the most attended in history), the 76 Olympics (largely a bust but still Canada's only summer games), and I get the impression that in those days if you asked anyone to name a city in Canada, it'd most likely be Montreal.

Nowadays it could be any one of Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver. (Others could be named but I think those are the top 3)

caltrane74 · #**687** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 12:25 AM**

Yeah, me and my buddy were talking about the price of oil last night. We were saying there is a possibility of oil going to 200 dollars a barrel in less than two years, people are not prepared for this.

caltrane74 · #**688** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 12:43 AM**

When the price of gas goes to 1.50 a liter, you will see alot of pressure on government to expand public transit, across the country. It is not happening now, and thats ok, but a sustained period of 1.50 gas will start to get some peoples attention...

Gerrard · #**689** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 12:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Yeah, me and my buddy were talking about the price of oil last night. We were saying there is a possibility of oil going to 200 dollars a barrel in less than two years, people are not prepared for this.

Petroleum cos. are like drug dealers. They'll keep the price as profitable for themselves as possible, and only dip when demand goes down. The truth is, oil should either be close to worthless (because we've all come to our senses and we all use electric cars, solar and nuclear power and public transit) or it should be much more expensive than it is because it's a non renewable resource and we're so stupid we haven't even planned for the day it becomes a precious commodity.

That said there's something to be said for sitting in traffic, smoking a cigarette and listening to your music at full volume versus watching the old man next to you on the train pick his nose and flick it about the car.

jigglysquishy · #**690** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 1:27 AM**

As someone who only uses public transit or walking, I'm a huge supporter of expanding Canada's public transit infrastructure.

Whether Toronto or Saskatoon we all need better public transit.

ToxiK · #**691** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 3:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

When the price of gas goes to 1.50 a liter, you will see alot of pressure on government to expand public transit, across the country. It is not happening now, and thats ok, but a sustained period of 1.50 gas will start to get some peoples attention...

I hope you are right! It would be bad if people just thought it is a temporary rise and that it will go back to "normal" sooner or later.

It is our second warning (last one was 2-3 years ago). There aren't many warnings left. One day prices will rise and not go down. We will miss the good old days when oil was at only 1,50-1,60 $.

caltrane74 · #**692** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 4:15 AM**

If oil goes to $200 dollars a barrel two or 3 things will happen:

Increased investment in renewable energy.

Increased investment in electrical vehicle transportation.

Increased investment in public transportation.

For now, it is make due with what we have until we are forced to adapt from our current path.

SpongeG · #**693** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 6:09 AM**

gas here right now is around 137.6/litre - for $15 i can get a 1/4 tank

caltrane74 · #**694** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 2:34 PM**

I guess people out west must complain about the price of gas alot. Very funny considering the oil comes from the west, yet you guys pay a higher price for gas. Strange. I know that there are alot of refineries in southern ontario which keeps the price of gas lower here than the rest of the country.

Anyways.. that high price is good for you guys with regards to high grade transit expansion in Vancouver at least. Things seem to be moving along.

feepa · #**695** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 5:12 PM**

out west? There's no pipeline connecting BC and Alberta is there?

Edmonton is at 115.9 as of this weekend. Still near cheapest in Canada.

caltrane74 · #**696** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 5:22 PM**

Gas is around 1.23 out here. -

Anyways...

Hey I was just saying. Didn't mean for you to take me so literally.

Coldrsx · #**697** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

If oil goes to $200 dollars a barrel two or 3 things will happen:

Increased investment in renewable energy.

Increased investment in electrical vehicle transportation.

Increased investment in public transportation.

For now, it is make due with what we have until we are forced to adapt from our current path.

Or how about take gas prices/transportation out of the equation and see what it will do for condo/infill project demand. I have a car, but live 3 blocks from work, walk to 80-90% of the stuff I need, and could care less about the price of gas other than what it does to inflation of final good prices or airline travel.

Coldrsx · #**698** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 5:28 PM**

City mulls new LRT plans

BY JANA G. PRUDEN, EDMONTONJOURNAL.COM APRIL 10, 2011 COMMENTS (22)

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A city report detailing a plan for the expansion of the LRT system and will go to the Transportation and Public Works committee of Edmonton city council.
Photograph by: Ed Kaiser, edmontonjournal.com
EDMONTON - Edmonton city councillors are considering a new roadmap for expansion of the city’s LRT service from Mill Woods Town Centre in the southeast to Lewis Farms in the west.

A city report, entitled “Southwest and West LRT Line — Source of Funding and Phasing Schedule,” outlines a six-phase plan for the expansion, and will go to the Transportation and Public Works committee for consideration on Tuesday.

Committee chair Ben Henderson said the report lays-out the next steps in the major LRT project.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/City+mulls+plans/4591930/story.html

SpikePhanta · #**699** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 6:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by feepa

out west? There's no pipeline connecting BC and Alberta is there?

Edmonton is at 115.9 as of this weekend. Still near cheapest in Canada.

There are a couple.

The prices are so high in BC because of taxes mostly including the carbon tax put in place a few years ago.

Vaillant · #**700** Posted **Apr 11, 2011, 10:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

You're just butthurt cause the "ugly, soulless, shithole Toronto" replaced your city years ago as Canada's global city, the centre of jobs, the centre of business, centre of the economy, sports capital of Canada, etc.
And that's not even just me being "centre of the universe Toronto", just stating facts, but don't let facts get in your way.

The majority of the world disagrees with you, the majority of Canada disagrees with you, and the majority of these boards disagrees with you. Just go away for the benefit of everyone who exists. It'll make the world a better and more intelligent place.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Habfanman he's right toronto is a shithole! im saying that because i know how Toronto is, i lived there for over a year Toronto citizens are mean and the city is full of idiot Ontario bastards! subject close!