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Old Posted May 9, 2007, 3:34 AM
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Has anyone else noticed the small billboard CLB Partners has erected at the site of their proposed 7th & Rio Grande tower (it’s sitting atop the one-story office building)? If so, did you also notice that the sign mentions a "34-story” building and not the originally proposed 32-story structure?
Yes Sir.... I walked past there this morning and do remember it said 34 stories. Hum.
     
     
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Block 21 'adds a little Magic'

Now NBA legend Magic Johnson is part of the ever intriguing Block 21 project...

http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/realestate/05/09//9johnson.html

REAL ESTATE

Block 21 'adds a little Magic'

Downtown development gets an assist from NBA legend Earvin Johnson.

By Shonda Novak
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Wednesday, May 09, 2007

First it was Willie Nelson.

Now stepping to the line: basketball legend Magic Johnson.

The NBA superstar turned businessman is the latest high-profile figure to lend his name, money and expertise to Block 21. By early 2010, the project may transform a vacant downtown block into a flashy complex with live music, a W hotel, luxury condominiums, and shops and restaurants.

Earvin "Magic" Johnson and his private equity fund, Canyon-Johnson Urban Fund, will invest $50 million in the $260 million project that Austin-based Stratus Properties Inc. plans to start building in September on a lot north of City Hall.

Johnson said the redevelopment is a good fit for some of the nearly $1 billion the fund has committed to help foster $3 billion worth of urban revitalization and mixed-use projects in cities such as Los Angeles, San Diego, Miami, Milwaukee, Baltimore, Boston, Chicago and Brooklyn, N.Y.
"We just want to do business in a great city," said Johnson, who likes Austin and has friends here, including many University of Texas athletes. "Every guy that plays here, they don't want to leave. What is it that makes Austin magical like that?"

Johnson and K. Robert Turner, Canyon-Johnson's managing partner, said Austin fits the profile of cities where the fund likes to invest, from growing areas such as Central Texas to ethnically diverse neighborhoods in densely populated metro areas.

The Block 21 project is expected to create thousands of construction jobs and hundreds more jobs when the project opens, Turner and Johnson said.
"We are committed to creating opportunities for the people in Austin, and I feel blessed and fortunate to be able to bring our expertise and our money to the City of Austin," said Johnson, who led the Los Angeles Lakers to five NBA championships and became one of the NBA's most popular players ever.

Since announcing that he had HIV in 1991, he has crusaded for AIDS prevention and made socially conscious investments and donations.
Block 21 is the fund's first investment in Austin.

Canyon-Johnson Director Neville Rhone first targeted Austin for investment two years ago. Executives later paid visits to Mayor Will Wynn and other city officials who steered them to the Block 21 deal, Turner said.
The partnership resulted from a "two-punch knockout," with Wynn selling Canyon-Johnson officials on his long-range vision of Austin and Beau Armstrong, Stratus' chairman and CEO, selling them on "the uniqueness" of Block 21.

Stratus' plans for Block 21 include an upscale 250-room W hotel and 200 luxury condominiums in a 35-story tower, plus new homes for the Austin Children's Museum and KLRU's acclaimed "Austin City Limits" music program.

The condos are expected to be priced from about $400,000 to more than $3 million, Armstrong said.

In addition to the television studios, Live Nation will operate a 2,200-seat live music/performance space venue when "ACL" isn't taping. Willie Nelson and nephew Freddy Fletcher will be partners with Stratus in the "ACL" venue, lending financial and technical support.

The venue is expected to raise the show's profile and provide locals and tourists with a destination entertainment attraction, with five times the capacity of the existing quarters on the University of Texas campus.
Armstrong said the music component resonated with Canyon-Johnson, particularly Rhone and Turner, who are big fans of "Austin City Limits" and its public television sponsor.

"They thought that was really great to have that energize the development," Armstrong said.

Turner added that the goal of getting the highest level of green building certification for the project was a selling point.
Armstrong said Canyon-Johnson has been interested in the project from the outset, with a phone call from Rhone coming soon after the city chose Stratus to purchase and redevelop the site after a competitive process.
"They liked the concept," Armstrong said, but at that preliminary stage, discussions didn't go much further.

Rhone "kept calling back," Armstrong said. "And as we continued to make progress, I kept them informed and kind of struck up a good relationship."
Stratus chose Canyon-Johnson over a number of other "very qualified" prospective partners, Armstrong said, adding that the fund's Block 21 investment could yield double-digit returns."

Johnson said he's looking forward to attending Block 21's ribbon-cutting. "I'll be there for sure," he said. "We don't just write a check. We also get involved with the city."


Canyon-Johnson Urban Funds

Headquarters: Beverly Hills, Calif.
Key executives: K. Robert "Bobby" Turner, managing partner; Earvin "Magic" Johnson, managing director
Funds: Canyon-Johnson Urban Fund (2001): $300 million; Canyon Johnson-Urban Fund II (2005): $600 million

Recent deals:
  • Committed $121 million to a mixed-use project in the Little Havana district of Miami.
  • Acquired the Marq-E Entertainment Center in Houston for $50 million.
  • Announced plans for a $159 million mixed-use development in midtown Atlanta.
  • Acquired the Williamsburgh Savings Bank, the tallest building in Brooklyn, N.Y., with plans to convert it to condos.
Magic Johnson on . . .
  • University of Texas athletics: 'They dominate in so many different sports. It's amazing they can have a track record like that. Whatever sport, the university has done a wonderful job.'
  • Kevin Durant, the ex-Texas Longhorns star who is headed for the NBA: 'He's the best freshman I've seen in my life. To have those skills at 18 years old, I don't think I've seen that before. Matter of fact, I haven't. And also to have good attitude. He also has done a wonderful job for the whole state of college basketball, with that smile, the way he played, and now he will be a great player in the NBA. This man is already beyond his years.'
  • The San Antonio Spurs' success against the Phoenix Suns: 'It's because of Tim Duncan. You have to realize when you have a great, dominant low-post player, it allows everybody else to play better. . . . When Tim is going well, then so are the San Antonio Spurs.'
  • For the No. 1 pick in the NBA draft: Durant or Ohio State's Greg Oden? 'Depends on what you need. Durant has more skills and is the most talented of the two, but a team may need a center, and then you have to pick Oden. He's going to hold down that position for a long time.'
  • Who will win the NBA championship? 'I think the winner of the Spurs and Phoenix (series) will win it.'
  • On life after basketball: 'I love what I do now. Basketball couldn't be forever. Effecting change in a city and community is forever. And I think that when I got into business with Canyon-Johnson and Bobby (Turner, the fund's managing partner), we are effecting change, and people's lives, for the better. We have affected so many communities across America.'
  • On his investment in an Austin project: ' I hope that it will trigger others to come back, too, Vince (Young, former UT quarterback), Kevin (Durant). They're the superstars now. They will make a lot of money, and I want them to be great athletes . . . but I also want them to be great people and great businesspeople.'
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Old Posted May 9, 2007, 2:07 PM
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This project just keeps getting better and better. The cost, I see, has increased from $225 million to $260 million. Also, I noticed LiveNation will be running the live music venue. By the way, the House of Blues is a LiveNation company! Maybe it was hint when Stratus described the ACL studio theater as a "House of Blues-style" restaurant and entertainment venue. I'd love to have a House of Blues in Austin! In fact, several years ago, HOB was looking for a downtown location...
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I'd love to have a House of Blues in Austin! In fact, several years ago, HOB was looking for a downtown location...
I get your point..... but I would much rather see a local version.... at least have that company be forced to be more creative and find a new identity here. (maybe that is what they are doing with ACL?) I guess I felt the same about Hard Rock. I don't think we, of all cities, need to gentrify our music scene. Everything that a "HofB" offers is here. Folks just need to find it.... or maybe it needs to be presented better. In either case, let's make it about our music scene.
     
     
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Old Posted May 9, 2007, 3:10 PM
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I get your point..... but I would much rather see a local version.... at least have that company be forced to be more creative and find a new identity here. (maybe that is what they are doing with ACL?) I guess I felt the same about Hard Rock. I don't think we, of all cities, need to gentrify our music scene. Everything that a "HofB" offers is here. Folks just need to find it.... or maybe it needs to be presented better. In either case, let's make it about our music scene.

I respect your opinion...but, there is a huge difference between the HOB and the Hard Rock Cafe! For starters, there are only 11 HOB's on the planet and the Hard Rock has 10 hotels, 5 casinos and over 115 cafes through out the world (and that doesn't include the handful of locations which will be opening in the next few years).

Additionally, the HOB is extremely adamant about saturating the world with their product – even going as far as citing the Hard Rock as an example of what they don’t want to become.

I do believe that if Austin does get an actual HOB (and that’s a big “if”), Live Nation will work closely with ACL and Willie Nelson’s group (who are also investors in the venue) to create and bring a unique product to the Austin market!
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Old Posted May 9, 2007, 3:34 PM
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didnt house of blues look into purchasing the southpark meadows back when it was still a music venue before it became suburban hell?
     
     
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Yes... HOB was in on S. Park until the neighborhood squashed development. At the same time the "amphitheater" business went through many changes and became a one horse race.... HOB pulled out of such venues at the same time. They want in Austin.
     
     
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^ Regarding the HOUSE OF BLUES conversation...

Reading all about the Dallas Victory Park HOB informed me to a great deal as to what this is all about...

First, amazing venue for a concert. Open, general admin floor for "real fans" and then a sweet balcony for people who don't want to fight the masses or who like to pay a little more for a physical seat. Best of both worlds...and it is built strictly for live music - so if you love to actually hear a band and hear them well, this place will be great. (Too many converted warehouses just suck for acoustics.)

Second, ya it is pretty corporate. But, considering that is the way the industry is going anyway - remember that the concert industry was on life support a couple of years ago - I would have to think that I'd be happy to have it in my town. Might as well get the best.

The fact is that HOB will steal acts from a few other venues, but Austin's scene is too strong for one new venue to really send shockwaves through the live music scene. If anything, I bet it would attract more artists to Austin and provide another alternative site for artists that are looking for a mid-size venue.

Finally, look at the association with LiveNation as a positive. (No, the corporatization of the music scene won't help Keep Austin Weird...) Many bands have already contracted to play all of the HOB along their tours. If Austin has a HOB, those bands will swing through when they otherwise might not have.
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To be completely honest, most talented artists do make it through Austin for any genre.

Big name acts that you see on MTV, CMT, etc may not make it through town all the time, but Id much rather have talent than acts that make it big because their label pays for airtime.
     
     
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To be completely honest, most talented artists do make it through Austin for any genre. This is on a short list of cities that you have to play.

Big name acts that you see on MTV, CMT, etc may not make it through town all the time, but Id much rather have talent than acts that make it big because their label pays for airtime.
     
     
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To be completely honest, most talented artists do make it through Austin for any genre. This is on a short list of cities that you have to play.

Big name acts that you see on MTV, CMT, etc may not make it through town all the time, but Id much rather have talent than acts that make it big because their label pays for airtime.
I don't disagree, but we do miss some foreign artists who do tours of the the two coasts plus Chicago, i.e. Joe Strummer (RIP) and Paul Weller. And I'm sure others whose first record didn't come out 30 years ago, but I'm old and unhip now, so I don't know who they are.
     
     
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I don't disagree, but we do miss some foreign artists who do tours of the the two coasts plus Chicago, i.e. Joe Strummer (RIP) and Paul Weller. And I'm sure others whose first record didn't come out 30 years ago, but I'm old and unhip now, so I don't know who they are.
I guess I see your point, but Stubbs once its addition is done will be able to seat plenty, and the Erwin Center allready gets big name acts as does the backyard (though thats a bit of a drive). I dont have any issue and always welcome more venues, but if the acts that come through are anything like what Verizon gets in San Antonio.. I dont think I would ever wind up there.

I also dont think this will have any negative impact on Austins music scene.. the sorts of acts this bigger places get arent the same acts that wind up on Red River.
     
     
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I like hob, but I really hope that they don't make one for Austin, it already has such a strong image for its live music. Hopefully they are planning a unique venue that would appeal to locals and tourists and be based on Austin itself, not something that has been done in a number of other places.
     
     
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Wow... so many "renewed" or new music venues coming on line in Austin... how will it all shake out?

- 75,000 seat amphitheater east of Austin [part of the studio development]
- Remodeled Stubbs starting this fall will seat almost 5K outside and 2.5K inside
- Remodeled Austin Music Hall [almost done] will seat nearly 5K
- Willie's place inside the W... 2,200 seating capacity
- Amphitheater in the works for Domain to hold around 7K


Now were talkin about the live music capital!
     
     
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Big name acts that you see on MTV, CMT, etc may not make it through town all the time, but Id much rather have talent than acts that make it big because their label pays for airtime.
HOB will bring in both. And you don't have to see the "acts that make it big because their label pays for airtime". But isn't a more diverse music scene with more options a better one?
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Stooge -

Here is the listing of the next 11 days of the HOB in Dallas' schedule. (There are multiple venues within the HOB which explains multiple acts on same night...)

Not exactly a list of who's who on the FM radio... Personally, I'd love have a ticket to the sold out Kings of Leon show.

from: http://www.hob.com/tickets/searchresults.asp?venue=Dallas


05.09 Joss Stone with Ryan Shaw and Javier House of Blues Dallas
05.09 An Evening with Joe Bonamassa Cambridge Room @ House of Blues Dallas
05.10 George Clinton & Parliament / Funkadelic House of Blues Dallas
05.10 An Evening with Joe Bonamassa Cambridge Room @ House of Blues Dallas
05.11 Old 97's with The Small Stars House of Blues Dallas
05.11 Joseph Arthur & The Lonely Astronauts with Stars Of Track And Field Cambridge Room @ House of Blues Dallas
05.12 HOB Dallas Grand Opening Party with The Blues Brothers House of Blues Dallas
05.13 Kings Of Leon with Snowden House of Blues Dallas
05.15 Deftones House of Blues Dallas
05.16 Young Love with Under the Influence of Giants with PlayRadioPlay!, Liam and Me Cambridge Room @ House of Blues Dallas
05.16 Deftones House of Blues Dallas
05.17 Say Anything and Saves The Day with Meg and Dia & Manchester Orchestra House of Blues Dallas
05.18 Live with Alternate Routes House of Blues Dallas
05.19 Ghostland Observatory with Dr. Jack House of Blues Dallas
05.19 Gaelic Storm Cambridge Room @ House of Blues Dallas
05.19 Grupo Fantasma House of Blues Dallas
05.20 The Subdudes W/ Pieta Brown Cambridge Room @ House of Blues Dallas
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Wow... so many "renewed" (“Renewed???” Do you mean: “proposed and/or expanded?) or new music venues coming on line in Austin... how will it all shake out?

- 75,000 (70,000) seat amphitheater east of Austin [part of the (Villa Muse) studio development]
- Remodeled Stubbs starting this fall will seat almost 5K (3,000) outside and 2.5K (1,400) inside (To be completed by summer 2008)
- Remodeled Austin Music Hall [almost done] will seat nearly 5K (When complete in Fall 2007, the remodeled venue will have a general admission capacity of 4,000 and a seated capacity of 2,800)
- Willie's place inside the W... 2,200 seating capacity (Please don't call it Willie's place! He and his partner's, nephew Freddy Fletcher, equitity in the venue project only amounts to a small portion of the $15+ million price tag. Live Nation has agreed to fund a much bigger piece of the pie)
- Amphitheater in the works for Domain to hold around 7K


Now were talkin about the live music capital!
Not to be too particular, but please see corrections above... Sorry, I just noticed too much exaggeration here. I don’t believe it to be intentional; I like to provide forumers with accurate statistics.
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Good catch... keep me honest! I'm not one to track details - only subjects/impact.

I'll be interested to see how all these places position in relation to one another. That list of shows at the Dallas HOB is almost the same band list currently lined up at Stubb's... there are exceptions but most touring acts are the same.

I wonder if the ACL venue is partly what drove the rennovations at Stubbs & AMH?? They would both stand to loose a lot of acts if they don't / didn't keep up.
     
     
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^ Your friend is right, now about the density, we don't have Edmonton's but wer'e working on it.
Its all good. We are adding more lots of highrises as well. I heard many times our city compared with yours. Would love to visit sometime.
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I'll be interested to see how all these places position in relation to one another. That list of shows at the Dallas HOB is almost the same band list currently lined up at Stubb's... there are exceptions but most touring acts are the same.

I wonder if the ACL venue is partly what drove the rennovations at Stubbs & AMH?? They would both stand to loose a lot of acts if they don't / didn't keep up.
Good point, ATX.

It's funny to me that we want everything to be improved - to be the best it can be - except when it comes to these things with sentimental value.

Would we turn down the Austonian because it may put an historical dwelling in jeoparody? No. Would we turn down HOB because it may put a storied club in trouble? Sounds like it.

In the end, I really believe the competition will only make Austin's music scene stronger.
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