The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[SJTOKO]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

Well, anyway....

Likely that the Irvings carbon dioxide deteriorate your judgement

Yeah your right, Moncton really should invest in their world class beautiful waterfront, and of course a province with a population of 700k needs a THIRD major convention center..... what was I thinking??? Whats wrong with the Comfort Inn? Has the National Acadian Cultural Society outgrown the Comfort Inn? Impressive!!!

[kwajo]

Wow, I leave for a few days and we're back to petty Moncton Vs. Saint John squabbling and name calling?


Anyway, to get back on track: I'm here in St. John's (NFLD) on vacation right now, and let me tell you, it has given me a new appreciation for certain parts of Saint John (NB). For one, the Saint John waterfront is superior to St. John's IMO. There are better walking & biking trails, a nicer boardwalk and more water access. Also, the Saint John heritage core is truly impressive in its architecture when you compare it to a place like St. John's or Halifax. I might be biased, but I believe Saint John is a more enjoyable downtown walking city than any in Atlantic Canada except maybe Charlottetown.
Now don't get me wrong, St. John's is amazing and trumps Saint John in many ways, but I am impressed how well the little Port City in NB stacks up against its better-known namesake.

[nero1979]

Since we are putting our two cents in on the SJ vs. Moncton thing. I am a Saint Johner and I have to take my hat of to Moncton, I mean this city goes out and does things to draw business and events to there city. All you hear in there newspapers is business this business that, and this event (bike and car shows) drawed 100,000 and this concert drew in 50,000. etc. Why wouldn't business not go to Moncton over SJ, while SJ has a yard sale uptown on New Brunswick Day (also Canada Day)??? Is that the best we can do??? seriously. While Moncton's newspapers are dealing there great news. The good old Telegraph has articles about fighting fighting fighting (Ward system, Pension Plan, A stupid dirt bike track that makes to much noise, LNG pipeline). I sense Monctoners are do'ers, let's go out and get it. SJ are more like lets announce something big like the "Coast Guard Site" which was announced over 2 yrs ago and get everybody's hopes up and then squash it, and they are still fighting over the land. The last thing that SJ had that was a big event in my mind (correct if I am wrong) was the Canada Summer Games in 1986 (I think). Yes, there is a lot of industry jobs coming etc, but oil wont last forever, and SJ really needs to think about how to get more tourism, get more people coming uptown, and more conventions as well. That will draw more business like box stores, and clothing stores etc, which in turn will draw more bigger businesses.

cheers

P.S. ~ the loss of John Buchanan as the CEO of SJ airport is a big lose, he was starting to turn the airport around, another chapter in the good old SJ.

[brandenp]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

1 :: Aldo
2 :: Aldo Accessoire (Coming Soon)
3 :: Access
4 :: Bootlegger.........
5 :: Boutik Electrik
6 :: Brass Decor
7 :: Buffalo Jean by David Biton
8 :: Cassis
9 :: Claire France
10 :: Children's Place, The...... Saint John has this.......
11 :: Clair de Lune
12 :: Coats Co.
13 :: Danier
14 :: Disney Store, the
15 :: D-Tox
16 :: Dynamite
17 :: Eddie Bauer
18 :: Envy
19 :: Gap/Gap kids, The
20 :: Laser Vison MD
21 :: Northern Getaway
22 :: Panhandler, The
23 :: Quilts Etc.
24 :: Tommy Hilfiger........Comming soon to SJ
25 :: Sunglass Hut
26 :: Sony Store, The
27 :: Souris Mini
28 :: Yves Rocher
29 :: What On Earth
30 :: Nutrition House
31 :: Marie Claire
32 :: The Shoe Company
33 :: Thyme Maternity
34 :: Bowring
35 :: Mr.Big and Tall
36 :: Sweet Factory/ Felix & Norton
37 :: Mexx/Mexx Kid
38 :: Sears Home
39 :: Costco
40 :: Chapters
41 :: PJC (Jean Coutu)
42 :: Princess Auto
43 :: Jacob (Opening 2008)
44 :: Mountain Coop equipement (Opening 2008)
45 :: Bricks (Opening 2008)
46 :: Second Cup
47 :: Timothy's Coffees of the World
48 :: Kernels
49 :: Jugo juice
50 :: St-Hubert
51 :: The Keg (Coming soon)
52 :: Little caesars Pizza
53 :: Don Cherry's Sports Grill
54 :: Montana's

Are you that insane?.... Your counting a FRENCH Pharmacy Chain as a feature to Moncton?.....

Well if thats the case,
Lets add things here as well, How about the 40+ Stores in Brunswick Square that you guys dont have? How about Java Moose, Samuel & Co. Not to mention we also Have Childrens Place PLUS Please Mum.. to name a few,
You need to realize something, These are two different cities, and have two different ways of living, They are not going to have the identical stores.
Just like Toronto and Montreal... They are not identical, and thank god they arnt.

[brandenp]

Originally Posted by nero1979

Since we are putting our two cents in on the SJ vs. Moncton thing. I am a Saint Johner and I have to take my hat of to Moncton, I mean this city goes out and does things to draw business and events to there city. All you hear in there newspapers is business this business that, and this event (bike and car shows) drawed 100,000 and this concert drew in 50,000. etc. Why wouldn't business not go to Moncton over SJ, while SJ has a yard sale uptown on New Brunswick Day (also Canada Day)??? Is that the best we can do??? seriously. While Moncton's newspapers are dealing there great news. The good old Telegraph has articles about fighting fighting fighting (Ward system, Pension Plan, A stupid dirt bike track that makes to much noise, LNG pipeline). I sense Monctoners are do'ers, let's go out and get it. SJ are more like lets announce something big like the "Coast Guard Site" which was announced over 2 yrs ago and get everybody's hopes up and then squash it, and they are still fighting over the land. The last thing that SJ had that was a big event in my mind (correct if I am wrong) was the Canada Summer Games in 1986 (I think). Yes, there is a lot of industry jobs coming etc, but oil wont last forever, and SJ really needs to think about how to get more tourism, get more people coming uptown, and more conventions as well. That will draw more business like box stores, and clothing stores etc, which in turn will draw more bigger businesses.

cheers

P.S. ~ the loss of John Buchanan as the CEO of SJ airport is a big lose, he was starting to turn the airport around, another chapter in the good old SJ.

And Nero... you need to understand that the paper has a biased opinion anyways, since they are based in........ Moncton.... So of course they are going to go out of their way to play moncton up as a better place thats doing soooooo well... All they do its bitch and complain and whine. Frankly, it sounds desperate. For example, the trauma centre for NB... the facts clearly state Saint John as being the better choice... Yet moncton is still playing politics, and going on and it really is digusting.

I guess we have more class than that

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by brandenp

Are you that insane?.... Your counting a FRENCH Pharmacy Chain as a feature to Moncton?.....

Well if thats the case,
Lets add things here as well, How about the 40+ Stores in Brunswick Square that you guys dont have? How about Java Moose, Samuel & Co. Not to mention we also Have Childrens Place PLUS Please Mum.. to name a few,
You need to realize something, These are two different cities, and have two different ways of living, They are not going to have the identical stores.
Just like Toronto and Montreal... They are not identical, and thank god they arnt.

Ok, French Pharmacy, yes its a french, do you have a problem with that? Its a chain, like any others on that list, the third player in North America.

I get PJC off, Whats the different ?

The fact is Saint John get troubles to attract retails business. Likely the media fault.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by SJTOKO

Yeah your right, Moncton really should invest in their world class beautiful waterfront, and of course a province with a population of 700k needs a THIRD major convention center..... what was I thinking??? Whats wrong with the Comfort Inn? Has the National Acadian Cultural Society outgrown the Comfort Inn? Impressive!!!

First, I`m not Acadian.

While waiting convention center, Moncton has Crowne Plaza, Delta and soon the Marriott as well.

[Seely32]

Originally Posted by kwajo

Wow, I leave for a few days and we're back to petty Moncton Vs. Saint John squabbling and name calling?


Anyway, to get back on track: I'm here in St. John's (NFLD) on vacation right now, and let me tell you, it has given me a new appreciation for certain parts of Saint John (NB). For one, the Saint John waterfront is superior to St. John's IMO. There are better walking & biking trails, a nicer boardwalk and more water access. Also, the Saint John heritage core is truly impressive in its architecture when you compare it to a place like St. John's or Halifax. I might be biased, but I believe Saint John is a more enjoyable downtown walking city than any in Atlantic Canada except maybe Charlottetown.
Now don't get me wrong, St. John's is amazing and trumps Saint John in many ways, but I am impressed how well the little Port City in NB stacks up against its better-known namesake.

First I take all responsibility for even mentioniong moncton is a post that's a Taboo word in this forum.

Lets just get along lol.

I also was in St. John's last year...It's a great city but I definetaly think saint johns architectural core is much nicer they have a georgian feel in there designs. Saint john has that on the outskirts but the uptwon central core we have absolute jewels not to mention the amount of brownstones. Beingg from Philly and visiting new york just about once a month my entire life.Saint Johns Architecture stacks up against anyone.

And Kwajo what are your feelings on the new refinery?

[nero1979]

Brandenp, I believe that it makes sense for the trauma center to be in SJ as well, and maybe the TG is biased becuase its based out of Moncton, but who cares that the paper is biased towards its own city technically. All I am getting at is that SJ needs to stop fighting with itself, not just the city, but its people as well. There is too much fighting here. Like my examples above (LNG, dirt bike track, ward system, pension plan) we could also add west side unhappy all development on the east side or fighting with KV because the multiplex system (just build it) and councillors bickering with each other. Instead of all that fighting, do something constructive. Do we think that the Rolling Stones called up Moncton Officials and said "Hey, we want to play in your city" No, somebody who knew there was a chunk of land was there next to a bunch of hotels, with adequate parking. So they worked it out and they came and played, and since then at that site they have 1 other successful concert and another one on the way. Why is that happening becuase organizers and even promoters have heard about Moncton how good the stones concert turned out. Since then, Halifax and Charlottetown have been all over it with concerts as well. bringing tourist and filling up the hotels, restauants, bars, and spending money at there malls and stores. All SJ could muster up was the "salty jam festival". Does that mean SJ needs to have a big concert or something, No, but there is 2 chunks of land that they could use uptown (Long wharf and the old Sugar site). To sum it up, I just feel Moncton officials are a lot more creative at doing things more than SJ is and that don't fight with each other.

cheers

[nero1979]

Sorry Seely, did not see your post there, I agree lets get along.

[Helladog]

I think both cities have something to offer...one could argue that Moncton or Saint John has better leadership or more impressive retail, but anything more is just comparing apples to oranges.

Saint John is typically an industrial port city, and Moncton is a service oriented city. I like to live in Saint John, but occasionally I like to visit the mall in Moncton and take my son to Crystal Palace.

I have to give both cities a pat on the back for what has been accomplished despite our geographical location.

Really, what difference does it make if one city has a nicer this or that? In order for the province to grow, all cities need to grow including the northern ones.

[Seely32]

Originally Posted by nero1979

Brandenp, I believe that it makes sense for the trauma center to be in SJ as well, and maybe the TG is biased becuase its based out of Moncton, but who cares that the paper is biased towards its own city technically. All I am getting at is that SJ needs to stop fighting with itself, not just the city, but its people as well. There is too much fighting here. Like my examples above (LNG, dirt bike track, ward system, pension plan) we could also add west side unhappy all development on the east side or fighting with KV because the multiplex system (just build it) and councillors bickering with each other. Instead of all that fighting, do something constructive. Do we think that the Rolling Stones called up Moncton Officials and said "Hey, we want to play in your city" No, somebody who knew there was a chunk of land was there next to a bunch of hotels, with adequate parking. So they worked it out and they came and played, and since then at that site they have 1 other successful concert and another one on the way. Why is that happening becuase organizers and even promoters have heard about Moncton how good the stones concert turned out. Since then, Halifax and Charlottetown have been all over it with concerts as well. bringing tourist and filling up the hotels, restauants, bars, and spending money at there malls and stores. All SJ could muster up was the "salty jam festival". Does that mean SJ needs to have a big concert or something, No, but there is 2 chunks of land that they could use uptown (Long wharf and the old Sugar site). To sum it up, I just feel Moncton officials are a lot more creative at doing things more than SJ is and that don't fight with each other.

cheers

Its all good nero

The Ward system is somehting that I am sick of hearing. I dont beleive there is enough say in the city's government, but in thats regards which city does have that not many politicians listen to their electors. What needs to be dones is to elect people who are more willing to make change. I am not completely sure but isnt new brunswick a torie stronghold. Hence the big business deals and not really caring about making signifcant change sorry for offending any conseratives.

[Seely32]

Well Said helladog

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by Helladog

I think both cities have something to offer...one could argue that Moncton or Saint John has better leadership or more impressive retail, but anything more is just comparing apples to oranges.

Saint John is typically an industrial port city, and Moncton is a service oriented city. I like to live in Saint John, but occasionally I like to visit the mall in Moncton and take my son to Crystal Palace.

I have to give both cities a pat on the back for what has been accomplished despite our geographical location.

Really, what difference does it make if one city has a nicer this or that? In order for the province to grow, all cities need to grow including the northern ones.

Really agree with that

[Seely32]

Nothing better than an early morning squabble

I drove by a new devlopment on the westside I beleive it was posted here earlier its off of lancaster ave, and near olsens and friendly's convenience. Not sure what was there before but is this the $$ million dollar project ( not sure how much it was supposed to be.

Any information.

[Seely32]

Global warming will generate summit heat

Daniel McHardie
Telegraph-Journal
Published Tuesday August 7th, 2007
Appeared on page A1

FREDERICTON - Finding ways to reverse the effects of global warming could become the most contentious issue debated at this week's Council of the Federation summit.

Each of the 13 premiers and territorial leaders comes to the three-day event in Moncton with entrenched ideas and agendas. Finding consensus could prove a challenge for Premier Shawn Graham, the conference's chairman.

British Columbia Premier Gordon Campbell said he will be pushing his colleagues for significant movement on combating global warming, starting Wednesday.

That movement includes each province and territory agreeing to attain California tailpipe emission standards limiting vehicle emissions by 2016. In addition, Campbell wants governments to enforce R-2000 building and Energuide 80 efficiency standards in their own buildings by 2008. He will also call for all government operations and Crown corporations to be carbon neutral by 2010.

Further, the B.C. premier says he will push his counterparts to capture all greenhouse gas emissions from landfills and urge municipalities to be carbon neutral by 2012.

"Those are real things that we can do and again you don't have to pay anyone for it," Campbell said.

"If we are going to say we are for things, let's actually do some stuff together that will do what Canadians want, that will strengthen our country and make a better place for all of us to live."

Graham didn't balk at any of Campbell's challenges and reiterated the importance of the leaders finding common ground.

"Each province will bring their own point of view to the table but at the end of the day there is more that unites us then divides us," Graham said.

Despite Graham's optimism, wide chasms exist. Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach said last week he had no intention of toughening his province's climate change strategy.

"The message is very clear: Don't mess with Alberta. Alberta's boom is Canada's boom," Stelmach said during a press conference.

Stelmach said any movements toward a system of hard caps on greenhouse-gas emissions or a cross-Canada trading market for pollution credits would likely send dollars and jobs out of the country's most petroleum-rich province.

The Alberta premier's comments are stark contrast to those of Dalton McGuinty. The Ontario premier comes to the Moncton summit with the two goals, including a cap-and-trade system.

"Number 1, we want hard targets, based on a 1990 baseline. Secondly, we're looking for an emissions trading program," McGuinty said.

"Everybody tells us that the only way you're going to make a real dent in greenhouse gas emissions is to attach a price to greenhouse gasses and the best way to do that is through an emissions trading program. So we'll be looking for those two characteristics to be found in any agreement that we're going to sign on to."

New Brunswick's premier has opposed a cap-and-trade network, but agreed to study the concept after it was raised at the New England Governors and Eastern Canadian Premiers conference in Prince Edward Island in late June.

Prince Edward Island Premier Robert Ghiz, attending his first premier's summit, said prior to attending the conference he will unveil an energy efficiency office styled after the New Brunswick Energy Efficiency and Conservation Agency.

"Anything we can do to help our climate we should be doing," Ghiz said.

"Climate change is an issue that is here. It is not going away."

Saskatchewan's Lorne Calvert has also recently released his own climate change strategy. The prairie premier intends to use the two-day conference to steer his counterparts toward the "E-85 highway."

E-85 is a reference to the blend of gasoline with 85 per cent ethanol. Calvert's plan would see high-grade ethanol-blended fuels made available along existing routes. Ethanol is commonly used as an additive in gasoline.

Automakers are already building vehicles that can burn an 85-per-cent ethanol blend, although filling stations that sell the fuel at that concentration are few and far between.

Calvert, who thinks an E85 highway could help the environment and give a boost to the biofuels industry in Saskatchewan and other provinces, has already raised the concept with western premiers.

- with files from Canada News Service




Surprise suprise alberta could care less about global warming. I would like to see what graham has to say about this. I also wonder if the new refinery will effect graham's words...we may be benefiting from a little warmer climate but are we really.

[nero1979]

Seely, the only thing thing I could think it could be is the new SJ energy site or the motel/hotel (forget the franchise name), and yes what a squabble it was, lol.

[Seely32]

Originally Posted by nero1979

Seely, the only thing thing I could think it could be is the new SJ energy site or the motel/hotel (forget the franchise name), and yes what a squabble it was, lol.

The new energy site..the foundation is built I need to get over and take a couple pictures, They have a rendering the motel/hotel is going to be behind the Bk from my understanding. some one posted earlier the devlopment its going to be rather big and fit in nice. I'll see if I can find it.

[Seely32]

$14M housing project for West Side
Dave MacLean
Telegraph-Journal
Published Thursday July 12th, 2007
Appeared on page C1

If you're looking for a home that heats for pennies and provides a million-dollar view, Norm Ganong has a deal for you.
Ganong is spearheading the Rocking Stone Estates development on the former DVA Hospital site on the city's West Side. It's a $14-million project that will include 74 units of energy-efficient townhouses and garden homes.
Townhouses will line the development along Lancaster Avenue and Prince Street, surrounding a number of one-level garden homes. The development will be built in phases, with the first 10 units expected to be ready sometime this fall.
"I think it's a great location - the view is fantastic," Ganong said after presiding over the official sod-turning ceremony with Mayor Norm McFarlane.
"You're close to the throughway whether you're heading to work in the city or to Point Lepreau and the only time you hear a truck in this neighbourhood is when it's on its way to the Digby ferry.
The homes will feature walls built with insulated concrete forms - Styrofoam forms filled with concrete 15 centimetres thick - and radiant floor heating. The developers vow there will be reduced energy costs.
The concrete also provides extra safety and security for homeowners - "anything stronger than that would be called a bomb shelter.
"This type of housing is probably more expensive to build than conventional, but if you're paying $600 a year for your heat, you're saving a lot of money over the years," said Ganong. "The people I've talked to who have this kind of home say the benefits are just phenomenal. They have nothing bad to say about them."
Ganong said the developers expect to have a viewing unit ready by September and the frame of the remaining nine units of the first phase will be ready.
The homes' interiors will be custom built for individual buyers.
"At first, the units won't have any interior walls," he said. "The customers will decide what they want for flooring and for cabinets and for colours and decor. Nobody will be in your suite before you. You'll be the first one in it when it's done."
Ganong said he's already received inquiries from potential buyers and local companies anticipating the expected energy boom with the LNG terminal and a proposed second Irving Oil refinery. He's confident all 74 units - with price tags in the $225,000 to $245,000 range - will all be built and sold within four to five years.
It's the kind of project that brings smiles to the faces of politicians.
McFarlane said it's the type of good-news announcement he likes to hear and he enumerated a number of projects that are planned or already underway on the West Side.
"We've got the Wal-Mart coming, we've got a new hotel down by the Burger King and another one up on the Golden Mile," said McFarlane. "We've got a new Saint John Energy building here and I think that with Norm Ganong building these here, he's showing his enthusiasm for the West Side and I think it's great.
"It's great to have this development here on the West Side and what a great view of the harbour and of the city. It's a great spot."
The mayor said the project will be a welcome boost to the tax base and he's pleased a prime piece of real estate is being developed.
"The land's been vacant for awhile and it's nice to see something taking place on it and I want to thank Norm Ganong and his partners for taking this area and redeveloping it."
Ganong added his group will be helping sponsor a raffle of one of the units. A total of 5,000 tickets will be sold at $100 apiece and a pair of local charitable organizations will each receive $100,00 from the proceeds.


And it's green amazing

[nero1979]

oh right.. I remember now.. I was way off. lol.