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Originally Posted by Freeway
Isn't that what we're discussing? Development? It's too bad that you're letting reality get to you so much. I'm not sounding like a two year old, as much as I am giving my opinion and really the reality of downtown. You seem to be the one throwing a toddler like tantrum. It simply sounds like you just have extreme disdain for people who don't cave and agree with your basic assertions that every historic building needs to be left standing for potential redevelopment opportunities, that all new real estate needs to "interact" with the street in a particular way, and that every new development needs ground level retail regardless of whether or not there is any demand. This is a forum, so I will not "STFU" because we disagree. I would recommend that you grow up and recognize that people have opinions that differ from your ridiculous delusions of urbanity.
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How is resorting to "it's their property and they can do what they want with it" a discussion? I think that's common sense and that everyone here quite understands that that's the reality of property rights. What's the point of discussing any development if you're just going to tell us "it's their property and they can do what they want with it" ...?
You clearly have a comprehension problem. I stated specifically in this very thread that I don't believe every historic building needs to be left standing. I couldn't care less about the buildings being demolished for the apartment building on 7th Ave/Fillmore, for example, and only care about 222 E Roosevelt because its supports came up with a viable solution and the developer balked at it. Otherwise, my issues are more with the design of the new buildings in each, not what they took down. There are some historic buildings that should be preserved because of their architectural or historic significance (e.g. the two houses on 2nd Street between Roosevelt and Hance Park or 333 E Portland); and, there are others that should be preserved because of their context - which I feel applies to any and all warehouses remaining south of Jefferson. Individually, most mean nothing, but together, they form one of the only contiguous set of historic building stock in a consolidated area with plenty of external forces that point to the fact that one day, they could be redeveloped into something unique. Others, however, are simply old buildings that because of the City's obsession with the wrecking ball, have lost all meaningful context, and while I would still like to see adaptive reuse or moving the structure as the first 2 solutions, I wouldn't necessarily mind if they were knocked down provided that the new development is beneficial to the growth of the community. For example, I'm fine with the 1-story commercial building at 4th/McKinley being demolished to make way for the Tilton apartment project. The previous building was too far from the core of Roosevelt Row to feel like it was ever connected, had no historical or architectural significance, and the new project brings 100+ residential units to an area that could use an infusion of market rate options and replaces the retail space it displaced by including 10 live/work units that will activate/connect both 4th Street and McKinley.
I also don't have disdain for anyone on this board, especially those who disagree with me on the design of certain new buildings. None resort to "it's their property and they can do what they want," and have valid and respectful responses that I'm happy to hear. Likewise, while yes - I expect every building built in an urban setting to interact with the street on the ground level to some degree (and don't understand why someone wouldn't) - you're wrong once again regarding my feelings on retail. As I have said numerous times, I don't believe every new development needs retail regardless of demand. I've said that certain streets, like Roosevelt for example, should be reserved for mixed use buildings as they represent Phoenix's only chance at building a retail-lined boulevard/main street. Just like I feel a 10-story commercial building isn't appropriate in FQ Story, I don't feel single-use structures along Roosevelt are appropriate. But, projects in the downtown neighborhoods, such as the area between VB and Fillmore, 2nd Ave - 7th Ave? I would never expect or 'demand' retail in any new project.