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Old Posted Jun 24, 2018, 3:33 PM
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Back int he 80s and 90s when Highway 11 from Huntsville to North Bay was being twinned, there was a lot of uproar over bypassing the small towns. The same fear of those towns dying due to the lack of traffic stopping for gas or food or roadside odities.

The 4 lanes are there, the towns have not died.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2018, 3:35 PM
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So that’s why 11 south of Gravenhurst features RIRO in area that’s typically considered too built up for a 4-lane divided freeway...
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Typically the towns that scream the loudest are already beyond dead
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2018, 5:20 PM
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Lol I think they should just become commuter/bedroom towns for their neighbouring city already.
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2018, 5:45 PM
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Lol I think they should just become commuter/bedroom towns for their neighbouring city already.
Gravenhurst is nowhere near any real city.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2018, 5:48 PM
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IIRC, the AADT on Highway 11 north to Cocagne is high enough to justify twinning, but the numbers for the highway between Cocagne & Bouctouche are borderline.
AADT only warrants twinning Route 11 north to Bouctouche. Anything beyond that is needless and likely political.

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Nobody is really arguing for twinning the highway north of Bouctouche, but the provincial government is planning some weird highway improvements, like that tunnel project up by Miramichi which are pretty expensive.
Lots of people call for Route 11 to be twinned to Miramichi which would be an absurd waste of money.

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The north of NB is in decline, no question, but coastal southern Kent County (as far as Bouctouche) is doing well because of it's proximity to Moncton. There are a lot of commuters and a lot of cottage owners in this area. I think the highway twinning to Bouctouche is justified.
The cottages mostly stop by the time you hit Richibucto. If you have difficulty driving on a single lane road for more than twenty minutes on the way to your cottage I think you need to rethink your ideal of owning a cottage.

Again, people put too much weight on twinned highways. They're not the end all be all that people make them out to be.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 24, 2018, 6:34 PM
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AADT only warrants twinning Route 11 north to Bouctouche. Anything beyond that is needless and likely political.


Lots of people call for Route 11 to be twinned to Miramichi which would be an absurd waste of money.


The cottages mostly stop by the time you hit Richibucto. If you have difficulty driving on a single lane road for more than twenty minutes on the way to your cottage I think you need to rethink your ideal of owning a cottage.

Again, people put too much weight on twinned highways. They're not the end all be all that people make them out to be.
The Americans with many many interstates running from coast to coast make us jealous. (In return though, their infrastructure’s crumbling. I-35 Bridge Collapse in Minneapolis came to mind. )
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The Americans with many many interstates running from coast to coast make us jealous. (In return though, their infrastructure’s crumbling. I-35 Bridge Collapse in Minneapolis came to mind. )
"The National Transportation Safety Board determined that it was a design flaw, and not deferred maintenance, neglect, or other problems, that caused the 35W bridge to collapse. Gusset plates that hold the bridge's huge steel beams together were only half as thick as they should have been. The NTSB also found that nearly 300 tons of construction equipment and materials stockpiled on the bridge deck for the ongoing repair work contributed to the collapse by further stressing the crucial gusset plate that failed.

Daubenberger says the state immediately inspected gusset plates on every single truss bridge in the state to ensure that they were safe, and within months of the collapse, the Minnesota state legislature raised the gas tax and funded a $2.5 billion bridge improvement program.
"The bill established a program to have all structurally deficient bridges and fracture critical bridges repaired or replaced within 10 years, so by June 30, 2018," says Daubenberger.

The I-35W bridge was rebuilt within 14 months.
Daubenberger says 172 Minnesota bridges were identified as structurally deficient or fracture critical. About 35 of them were determined to need only routine, preventative maintenance. About 120 of them have been repaired or replaced, while the 18 remaining bridges are either under construction now and/or are on track to be repaired or replaced before next summer's deadline."

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Back int he 80s and 90s when Highway 11 from Huntsville to North Bay was being twinned, there was a lot of uproar over bypassing the small towns. The same fear of those towns dying due to the lack of traffic stopping for gas or food or roadside odities.

The 4 lanes are there, the towns have not died.
The towns and businesses between North Bay and Huntsville had more than enough time to adjust and prepare. And I agree that they aren't dying and will do better in the long-run.
     
     
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So that’s why 11 south of Gravenhurst features RIRO in area that’s typically considered too built up for a 4-lane divided freeway...
There was not enough room for it to be a freeway with all of the businesses and driveways. That section was first 4-laned without a divider but the jersey barrier was later added with overpasses at certain intervals so that things on the other side of the highway could be accessible.

The MTO does have plans for a new freeway alignment for that section. But more recently I think I read that the MTO is buying up private properties and businesses along the sides of the current highway with the eventually plan of a controlled access freeway using the current road.
     
     
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See that's the thing: In hindsight, why widen the current roadway (which was already too built up to begin with) from 2 to 4 lanes (back in 1958) when MTO could have just bypassed it? It must have been that people were protesting for fear of businesses dying.
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A few pictures from the Outer Ring Road on our drive back into the city today. The part of Team Gushue that's already open.



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See that's the thing: In hindsight, why widen the current roadway (which was already too built up to begin with) from 2 to 4 lanes (back in 1958) when MTO could have just bypassed it? It must have been that people were protesting for fear of businesses dying.
Cost.

Different philosophies in highway design during the era.

Focus on more pressing needs for Ontario's highways - 400-series construction, completion of highway 17.
     
     
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Mackenzie Valley Highway Project

About time this was moving forward

This would be nice for tourist traffic but would reduce shipping cost considerably.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/fede...zie-valley-highway-project-nwt-1.4724467
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Mackenzie Valley Highway Project

About time this was moving forward

This would be nice for tourist traffic but would reduce shipping cost considerably.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/fede...zie-valley-highway-project-nwt-1.4724467
Not to mention all the mining opportunities it brings. Sounds like a good idea.

It also means you don't have to travel to Yukon to access the Dempster Highway.
-That's a lot of backtracking if you live in central or eastern Canada.
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Not to mention all the mining opportunities it brings. Sounds like a good idea.

It also means you don't have to travel to Yukon to access the Dempster Highway.
-That's a lot of backtracking if you live in central or eastern Canada.
I am think a loop drive would be nice. Now the loop would be up to YK then west of Ft Simpson and south on the Liard highway. then up the Alaska.
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The Dempster and Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highways are both coarse gravel roads. I would assume the Mackenzie Valley Highway would be as well.

That would take a huge toll on your vehicle, and you'd want to bring several spare tires too. So this would be a great loop drive, if you want to destroy your car!
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The Dempster and Inuvik-Tuktoyaktuk Highways are both coarse gravel roads. I would assume the Mackenzie Valley Highway would be as well.

That would take a huge toll on your vehicle, and you'd want to bring several spare tires too. So this would be a great loop drive, if you want to destroy your car!
Always take spare wheels on the Dempster. Its one of the safety items people I know that have driven the whole length. But its not for a regular car. You do see quite a few RVs in Inuvik though. Good all wheel drive SUV or pickup is best.
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West Calgary Ring Road Approved

The final piece of the 101km Calgary Ring Road will start construction next summer and be completed in 2022.

The section will run from the Trans-Canada Highway to Highway 8 (Glenmore Trail SW). The project will also include twinning the bridge over the Bow River and a new interchange at Valley Ridge Blvd.

No cost has disclosed, but $1 Billion would be a safe guess.

The SW section currently under construction, will be open in 2021.

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The final piece of the 101km Calgary Ring Road will start construction next summer and be completed in 2022.

The section will run from the Trans-Canada Highway to Highway 8 (Glenmore Trail SW). The project will also include twinning the bridge over the Bow River and a new interchange at Valley Ridge Blvd.

No cost has disclosed, but $1 Billion would be a safe guess.

The SW section currently under construction, will be open in 2021.

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Looks good. Wondering how much of a cut they're going to have to use on the Paskapoo section to get the grade down to a reasonable level.
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