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Old Posted Apr 30, 2013, 3:08 PM
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First of all, excuse my young ignorance, but can you explain the Rivergate building to me? I was only 5 when it was demolished, and I have absolutely no recollection of it. From pictures it looks like pretty sound architecture. Very unique, at least much more unique than Harrah's.

I wholeheartedly agree that New Orleans needs to focus on attracting more business. That by itself will expand our downtown, whether it be from mid-rises or new flash high-rises. Like you said, when that time comes, whoever is in charge of building said building needs to make sure the building will look good 50-100 years from now, or else the next generation will be doing the same thing we are doing right now.

First of all, I certainly don't know why you have to "excuse" your "young ignorance"....You're Young, but certainly not ignorant...don't belittle yourself....You sound like a very intelligent person capable of reasoning. If you go on-lin and look up "Concrete Shell" buildings, you'll see just how unique the rivergate was and why it is a loss

http://subtilitas.tumblr.com/post/14...leans-1968-one

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Old Posted Apr 30, 2013, 3:48 PM
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New Orleans should focus more on attracting Business and less on Building Monumental 101 Wonders of the Post-Post Modern age or what ever fad architectural term is in vogue this week.
Exactly. I really can't believe the talk lately on here that it should be torn down. It is an iconic building that with just a little love would be very "mad men" esque. The W plan is pretty sound and most importantly it uses mostly PRIVATE money, as opposed to the Tricentenial Plan, and would most quickly start bringing in the city some cash flow.

I think the Tricentenial Plan was just a safety measure drawn up incase no one provided a quality responce to the RFP. They are spending the lease amount of their money on that site and their plan isnt contingent upon it.

I hate to be pessimisstic but there is no way those organizations could manage a project this complex by the 2018 deadline. This building would have to be slowly dismantled piece by piece over active rail lines, in the middle of main tourist area. I just don't see that happening...
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2013, 5:09 PM
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Well, at least the paper is back up to 7 days a week (not for home delivery though).

http://blog.nola.com/updates/2013/04...cayune_to.html

Also, there's a report on WWL quoting Greg Rigamer that says population has increased to be just 9% less than when Katrina hit... not sure what numbers he is basing that on but the estimates for 2005 (for Orleans, Jefferson, St. Bernard, Plaquemines, St. Charles, St. Tammany and St. James) had us at 1.337 Million, so that would mean we are at 91% of that, or about 1.216- so about the same as the latest census estimates.

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Even still, none of these buildings that we admire from our grandparent's generation became admirable without at least a renovation to at least sustain its beauty. The WTC looks awful right now, and like I said, that won't change without serious work.
It may look awful now, but once upon a time (almost 50 years ago) it was brand new, a symbol of civic pride, and the trading powerhouse. Did I mention the fact that the International Trade Mart Building was the first World Trade Center build in the WORLD? It was literally world-class and stands as the start of what would become a network of over 300 WTCs around the world in almost 100 countries.

The funny thing is, the City wants a monument to mark the 300th founding anniversary of New Orleans. But it seems fine with tearing down the monument that marked the 250th anniversary!

Just a little bit of history:

"It was quite a thrill to attend the Topping Out Ceremony held on July 6, 1965 and to read all the flattering things published in the press and broadcast on TV and radio about the new landmark for New Orleans. Even the Paris European English edition of the New York Herald-Tribune published a special supplement paying tribute to this new concept of global trade sponsorship. It is a beautiful building, designed by famed architect Edward Stone and now stands as a distinguishing symbol at the entrance to New Orleans harbor, just as the Sugar Loaf Mountain does at the entrance to Rio de Janeiro or the Statue of Liberty when entering New York Harbor.

So you can imagine the satisfaction and gratification that was Mr. Cobb's on April 30, 1968 when the formal Dedication Ceremonies took place, as part of a larger and combined celebration of the 250th anniversary of the Founding of New Orleans.

Ambassadors of many countries came, there were parades, banquets and the
Organization of American States held its First meeting outside of Washington, DC here in New Orleans on that occasion."


The whole story of the International House and International Trade Mart can be found here:
http://wtcno.org/wp-content/uploads/...rt_Website.pdf

If the Convention Center and partners are so hellbent on building an observation deck/"monument"/thing/monstrosity, let them build it on their own property or they can buy out a chunk from the Hilton parking lot and put their little wire frame ride there. I want a functional building, NOT a Las Vegas attraction.

In my perfect world, the developer would restore the building's exterior and lobby back to the day the keys were handed over, put in the "W at WTCNO", and lease out the top 5 floors for consulate and WTC offices. And to kick off the 300th anniversary in style, a re-dedication ceremony of the property, and host ambassadors from all over the world once again.



We've already lost one huge chunk of the complex. I can only hope we don't make the same mistake twice.
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2013, 7:22 PM
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First of all, I certainly don't know why you have to "excuse" your "young ignorance"....You're Young, but certainly not ignorant...don't belittle yourself....You sound like a very intelligent person capable of reasoning. If you go on-lin and look up "Concrete Shell" buildings, you'll see just how unique the rivergate was and why it is a loss

http://subtilitas.tumblr.com/post/14...leans-1968-one
Also, have a look at this. http://www.curtis.uno.edu/rivergate/html/index.html

If you want to know how well built that monument of engineering achievement was, you may be able to find the videos online of them tearing it down, or in some cases them failing to tear it down.

The wrecking ball literally bounced off the building. Demolition They had to bring in the claws to eat away at the Rivergate bit by bit. To this day it gives me chills seeing it.








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^Very sad. By time I moved back to NOLA they had already started construction on the casino...

Has anyone ever seen any pictures of the mysterious second floor of Harrahs? I've looked, but no luck...

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Place St. Charles

Looks like the Place St. Charles is going to undergo a little exterior renovations. http://www.nola.com/business/index.s...medium=twitter
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Looks like the Place St. Charles is going to undergo a little exterior renovations. http://www.nola.com/business/index.s...medium=twitter
FINALLY. They need to hurry up on the interior renovations. The 80s marble looking is old.
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http://www.nasdaq.com/article/new-or...n-ipo-cm242064

New Orleans-based First NBC Bank sets terms for $100 million IPO

That's pretty big for the local business community. It's also funny, but good, to see the first three words of a sentence say "New Orleans-based..."
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2013, 9:46 PM
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Well, at least the paper is back up to 7 days a week (not for home delivery though).

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They should invest in fixing the pitiful website -- truly a disgrace when anyone in the world tries to read our daily "news" -- not in some cockamamie express daily.
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Old Posted Apr 30, 2013, 11:07 PM
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First of all, excuse my young ignorance, but can you explain the Rivergate building to me? I was only 5 when it was demolished, and I have absolutely no recollection of it. From pictures it looks like pretty sound architecture. Very unique, at least much more unique than Harrah's.

I wholeheartedly agree that New Orleans needs to focus on attracting more business. That by itself will expand our downtown, whether it be from mid-rises or new flash high-rises. Like you said, when that time comes, whoever is in charge of building said building needs to make sure the building will look good 50-100 years from now, or else the next generation will be doing the same thing we are doing right now.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on this point.... the Eiffel Tower was a very detested piece of engineering blahhhh in Paris when it was first built, and the vast majority of Parisians wanted it torn down. It withstood the first few decades and then became a priceless iconic symbol of the age of engineering. It's all a matter of perspective.

There should be an architectural/civil engineering/landscape architecture board in New Orleans that helps form a collective way of thinking that builds on the old but isn't stuck in the past. Modernism was a vulgur word in the Architectural world three decades ago. Sad that everyone wanted their own post modern Disney-esque Iconic building to show the World we were keeping up with the fast growing Jones' Cities in the South. New Orleans has never had to keep up with the Jones'.....There really is no place in the US like Nola, no need to imitate any other city

http://dailynightly.nbcnews.com/_new...n-stadium?lite

Video articles like the one above show the downside of rapid development....WOW!!! imagine that~! Let's destroy one of the most historic places in the city to build a new stadium!!!! a loss of culture, a loss of identity, a loss of a 'sense of place' a loss of something unique to that city......Something that can never be replaced

http://www.bloomberg.com/money-galle...ns.html#slide3

More good news for Nola ^ I don' think we have to worry too much about losing the culture or history.....

The signifigance of the Rivergate:

http://www.tulane.edu/~rivgate/chapter5.html

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Sorry if it's a little off topic but if you're interested in seeing more from the architect who designed the Rivergate, this book is excellent. It's got some really great photographs of some of New Orleans' best mid-century buildings when they were in their prime years, including the Rivergate and the main library.
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^Very sad. By time I moved back to NOLA they had already started construction on the casino...

Has anyone ever seen any pictures of the mysterious second floor of Harrahs? I've looked, but no luck...
I'd been on the mysterious second floor 13 years ago. Trust me, it's nothing to see really. You have some roughed in plumbing for what would have been restrooms, a large open multipurpose area framed in with air walls that was supposed to be capable of hosting functions like comedy shows, live music, and possibly boxing matches.

Other smaller areas for what could have been restaurants or night clubs. But it was all very much a clean slate. The casino only uses the area for storage.
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Looks like John Georges bought The Advocate. Good news. The Times-Pic needs a rivalry.

http://www.bestofneworleans.com/blog...f-the-advocate
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I'd been on the mysterious second floor 13 years ago. Trust me, it's nothing to see really. You have some roughed in plumbing for what would have been restrooms, a large open multipurpose area framed in with air walls that was supposed to be capable of hosting functions like comedy shows, live music, and possibly boxing matches.

Other smaller areas for what could have been restaurants or night clubs. But it was all very much a clean slate. The casino only uses the area for storage.
Oh ok, thanks. Maybe I'll come across some pictures of it one day...
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Apparently the building at the corner of Tulane and Rampart across from the Saratoga building has been sold.

http://neworleanscitybusiness.com/bl...-hands-for-4m/

Not much info yet, but with the Saratoga back in commerce and the Elks building next door being turned into apartments, this place has a lot of potential. I'm hoping that they can lure some major retail tenants for the ground floor. This area of the CBD needs all of the help it can get! The Oil and Gas building across the street and the old Rault Center are two of the CBD's worst eyesores.
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Seems like the Oil and Gas Building could become a kickass Standard Hotel. I don't know if Balazs has any interest in expanding outside NY/LA/Miami, though, and New Orleans is sadly associated with hicks and rednecks in the minds of coastal elites more than with the stylish global jet set.
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I heard this on news talk radio yesterday morning.....I hate to post bad news but if this issue isn't addressed, along with improving the educational system and putting an ax to the tree of Public Corruption the city will have a hard time attracting new business and we'll revert to the sos of the past
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3202560.html
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One more reason to make sure the public is involved in projects for the city....without public protest this could have been a reality. It was 'in vogue' having a new a waterfront expressway at the time....most cities in the US were building them.....Now most cities are tearing them down. TG We didn't make this mistake...

http://thelensnola.org/2013/04/30/re...leans-tourism/
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I heard this on news talk radio yesterday morning.....I hate to post bad news but if this issue isn't addressed, along with improving the educational system and putting an ax to the tree of Public Corruption the city will have a hard time attracting new business and we'll revert to the sos of the past
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3202560.html
I 100% admit it is a problem, but I've watched the full documentary and wasn't particularly thrilled. A lot of the filming and stories used took place in the years after Katrina when the school system was a total mess. It doesn't take into account that as of 2013 we have many successful charters and the impact on the kids who are now in them and the possible reduction in violence in the coming years due to them having successful educations.

While I'm not biased towards NOPD at all they also allow a woman to totally bash NOPD and yet don't allow NOPD or anyone supporting NOPD to take their side except for the one young kid who says "oh yeah there's bad cops, but there's some really nice ones too."
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