The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[DoyleRulez]

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[DoyleRulez]

There are lots of opportunities in SJ and the surrounding areas on the horizon. Im interested to see why Irving is in such a rush to acquire the Ship Yard building back before the summer.

Did anyone else notice the Saint John commercial that aired several times during the SuperBowl on Canadian stations?

[DoyleRulez]

Originally Posted by RyeJay

From what texts am I quoting? Perhaps you think this because some of my comments remind you of something you’ve read? It’s okay if you don’t want to admit to reading books. Applying what you learn to life can seem a bit excessive, especially to a 26 year old such as yourself.

But please ‘read’ the definition for “skyscraper.”



You’ve done nothing ‘creative’? Perhaps you should work for the municipal government? Let’s allow success to grace the city by chance.



This comment made my day!

You sadly missed all my points for the sake of argument.
I've already graduated 5 years ago and contiue life long learning through education.
I appreciate how you assume my comments were directed toward you but I read the definition of skyscraper and it doesnt center around your opinions surprisingly.

[ErickMontreal]

Irving Oil sells homes near scuttled refinery project


CBC News
Posted: Feb 7, 2012 8:13 AM AT
Last Updated: Feb 7, 2012 7:48 AM AT

Irving Oil Ltd. is selling 20 Red Head-area homes that it had originally purchased during the planning stages for the second oil refinery before the project was scuttled.

The Saint John-based oil company bought the homes four or five years ago during the planning stages for the proposed Eider Rock refinery project.

Although Irving Oil dropped plans for the $8-billion refinery in 2009, the company went ahead with the environmental approval process leaving some to wonder if it is still in the works.

The facility would have been very close to the purchased homes. But the company recently decided to put them on the market.

The 20 homes, some including waterfront property, were underpriced. And they were all sold, pending financing, within three days.

Dwayne Cunningham is one of the people who is looking to take possession of one of the oil company’s former houses.

Cunningham rented the seven-year-old Cape Cod-style home from the oil company, which gave him first refusal on the home.

The house and lot were listed for $140,000.
‘I couldn’t believe all the For Sale signs’

The sudden decision to sell the properties caught many people, even those who have followed the proposed refinery project very closely, by surprise.

Gordon Dalzell, a Saint John clean air advocate, said he was stunned when he saw the long line of For Sale signs.

"I couldn't believe all the For Sale signs,” he said.

“I say to myself 'Well I guess they're not planning to develop a second oil refinery.”

Dalzell has been a critic of the proposed oil refinery in the past. He said the decision to sell the homes is an important step, from an environmental perspective.

“Quite frankly, that's a positive development from an environmental point of view,” he said.

Irving Oil had partnered with BP to examine the possibility of building a second oil refinery in Saint John.

In 2009, after 18 months of studies, the project was shelved.

The decision was blamed on the economic downturn and weakening demand for petroleum products.

[Whaler]

Someone on here said that Saint John has a "degraded downtown". I think that was the quote?
In any event, Saint John has the best down town in any of the Atlantic Provinces in my opinion. Many great resturants and galleries along with many more living spaces have been added. And yes, we have a water front too!
I travel all over North America and Saint John does very well in comparison.

These comments must be from people that never leave their own city or town? Come to Saint John and spend a couple of days and walk around the uptown area........then make a comment.

I love reading all these jealous comments. Better than reality TV!

[Taeolas]

Seems strange timing to sell that land before all the dust settles about where the Alberta oil's going to go. The press certainly is harping a lot about sending it Eastward and have picked up the old rumour of the second refinery again.

Then again, maybe the Irvings are hoping to profit. Sell the land to speculators who figure the Irvings will try to buy it back in the future for more than they bought it for; meanwhile the Irvings can sell it for more than they might get otherwise.

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by Taeolas

Seems strange timing to sell that land before all the dust settles about where the Alberta oil's going to go. The press certainly is harping a lot about sending it Eastward and have picked up the old rumour of the second refinery again.

Then again, maybe the Irvings are hoping to profit. Sell the land to speculators who figure the Irvings will try to buy it back in the future for more than they bought it for; meanwhile the Irvings can sell it for more than they might get otherwise.

Alberta oil would be used to replace "Brent Sea Crude Priced" oil currently imported from Venezuela and mid east, not to increase refining capacity as the demand is no longer there. The idea wouldne to profit more per barrel as the refinery is at a disadvantage having to import the higher priced oil

[JHikka]

re: Irving selling Red Head properties.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but if all of those homes were sitting vacant wouldn't Irving be paying a double-occupancy tax on the properties? Perhaps they just got tired of paying the taxes on property that they don't plan on using.

[Southpaw78]

Originally Posted by RyeJay

No, everyone does not need to intoxicate themself with thoughts of butterflies and rainbows; Saint John needs critical thinkers and business-oriented people at the helm.

I'm not concerned with your impression that criticisim for Saint John, even from people not living there, is 'disrespectful' because quite frankly the city getting to the bottom of its issues is far more important than your desperate need to romanticise the reality about your dying city.

The reality of Saint John is unpleasant -- and so will be the climb out (assuming the people can be critical about their own city and start paying attention to numbers and not emotions).

Oh. Saint John is smart, eh? That makes me feel better.

*butterflies and rainbows*

One question for you RyeJay: When was the last time you visited Saint John?

The fact you've taken an extraordinarily amount of time to dispute everyone's recent posts makes one wonder what it is exactly you feel the need to prove. If you've tried to make a point, I think you've failed miserably.

Butterflies and rainbows? Not really, just stating fact and my own personal opinion. BUT, I am glad I made you feel all warm and fuzzy.

[OliverD]

Originally Posted by GregHickman

re: Irving selling Red Head properties.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but if all of those homes were sitting vacant wouldn't Irving be paying a double-occupancy tax on the properties? Perhaps they just got tired of paying the taxes on property that they don't plan on using.

I doubt they were vacant. They were probably renting them out. Either way, they'd be paying double property taxes.

[mylesmalley]

They were definitely renting out some of them at least. There was a guy on the news who'd been given first right of refusal should Irving ever decide to sell the properties. I gather he got a pretty good deal out of it.

[RyeJay]

Originally Posted by Southpaw78

One question for you RyeJay: When was the last time you visited Saint John?

The fact you've taken an extraordinarily amount of time to dispute everyone's recent posts makes one wonder what it is exactly you feel the need to prove. If you've tried to make a point, I think you've failed miserably.

Butterflies and rainbows? Not really, just stating fact and my own personal opinion. BUT, I am glad I made you feel all warm and fuzzy.

Yes, the theorised, peer-reviewed conclusion that indeed "Just for the record MonctonRad, enven (sic) though you are a Moncton poster, I always find your posts in the Saint John forum very supportive and respectful of Saint John."

Your subjective views are beside any point I've made, and I am unconcerned if you have not taken "an extraordinarily (sic) amount of time" reading any of these. My time taken to type this text is at a faster rate than your ability to lift them off this computer screen. Quite obviously.

Regardless, there are many forumers that at least contribute with ideas about how we may improve Saint John -- and this is appreciated by myself; as well, I appreciate your parody.

[Southpaw78]

Originally Posted by RyeJay

Yes, the theorised, peer-reviewed conclusion that indeed "Just for the record MonctonRad, enven (sic) though you are a Moncton poster, I always find your posts in the Saint John forum very supportive and respectful of Saint John."

Your subjective views are beside any point I've made, and I am unconcerned if you have not taken "an extraordinarily (sic) amount of time" reading any of these. My time taken to type this text is at a faster rate than your ability to lift them off this computer screen. Quite obviously.

Regardless, there are many forumers that at least contribute with ideas about how we may improve Saint John -- and this is appreciated by myself; as well, I appreciate your parody.

The post to MonctonRad was simply to combat the perception that seemed to be brewing on the forum that Moncton is always bashing Saint John and vice versa in these forums and was meant to be a genuine and sincere comment. My apologies if it had been perceived in any other way for which it was intended.

And I do thank you for commenting on my reading abilities.

Well, maybe we can just agree on one thing. That clearly we have differing views about Saint John and let's leave it at that.

I look forward to reading your ideas on how to move Saint John in a positive direction.

[cdnguys]

Saint John city increases 3% to 70,063
Metro increase 4.4% to 127,762

[JHikka]

For what it's worth:

Originally Posted by StatsCan Census 2011

Growth in Saint John CMA, 2006-2011

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recens...tic/2011-98310-001-310-013-01-00-eng.pdf

That's an increase of 17.4% for Quispamsis, rising to 17,886 from 15,239. Rothesay and Grand Bay/Westfield only up 2.7%.

Originally Posted by StatesCan Census 2011

New Brunswick Population Statistics

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recens...T=302&SR=1&S=51&O=A&RPP=9999&PR=13&CMA=0

Hampton 7.4% increase, rising to 4,292 from 4,004.

Blacks Harbour +3.2%
Grand Bay/Westfield +2.7%
Grand Manan -3.4%
Hampton +7.4%
Quispamsis +17.4%
Rothesay +2.7%
Saint Andrews +5.1%
Saint John +3.0%
St. Stephen +0.8%
Sussex +1.4%

Originally Posted by StatsCan 2011 Census

http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recens...cfm?LANG=Eng&T=702&PR=13&S=51&O=A&RPP=25

Saint John County +2.6%, 74,621 to 76,550

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Saint John city increases 3% to 70,063
Metro increase 4.4% to 127,762

Overall, this is still behind either Moncton or Fredericton in term of percentage of growth but this is definitely a step forward in the right direction.

[Southpaw78]

Originally Posted by ErickMontreal

Overall, this is still behind either Moncton or Fredericton in term of percentage of growth but this is definitely a step forward in the right direction.

After many years of decline, this is definitely welcome news.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by @poitrasCBC (Jacques Poitras)

Colleague Connell Smith reports SJ City's 3% growth is 1st time city population has grown in about a half-century. #nbpoli

There you go.

[mylesmalley]

Is anyone else surprised by Sussex? I expected with all the industrial development there from the mines in the past couple of years that we'd see a pretty big increase in population.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by Southpaw78

After many years of decline, this is definitely welcome news.

Oh, without a shadow of a doubt !