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[NYguy]

The City/State need to get their act together, and proceed to see the railyard development completed. There's no excuse for this not to move forward now rather than wait years for things to maybe be developed. We see how that drug out with the WTC.



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[DCReid]

Seems that they are waiting for a decision on the casino proposal. I wonder how they will proceed if they do not get the casino as they now say that the housing proponent of the previous proposal is no longer feasible.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by DCReid

Seems that they are waiting for a decision on the casino proposal. I wonder how they will proceed if they do not get the casino as they now say that the housing proponent of the previous proposal is no longer feasible.

All of the city proposals that need to are currently running through the 7 month approvals process, which is really only beginning. (This follows the city's own approval of zoning to allow casinos at all). This is basically round two, and surviving this round (approval) only means you get to apply for the final round, the real approval which will be at state level, and be brought again before the various community boards. It's ridiculous to have this many rounds (the earlier casinos didn't need to since these will be state developments), but it's the way the governor wanted it. It's a real waste of everyone's time, on both sides.

But anyway, Related has an alternative plan that is supposedly basically for the ULURP (approvals) process. The real alternative is to simply try to phase in the buildings over time, which may or may not happen.

[NYguy]

Then you have nuts like this...


https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/12/...the-high-line/

Opinion:
Not in my backyard. It will dwarf the High Line


By James Ferrari
December 29, 2024

The views from my living room of my first apartment in New York City were of an abandoned elevated railway line covered in garbage and bramble. I worked for a nonprofit and was staying in what was then the General Theological Seminary founded by Clement Clarke Moore and is now The High Line Hotel, a 60-room luxury hotel with a Parisian themed garden on 10th Ave.

My old building has come a long way since the desolate stretch of rail and weeds was transformed into the High Line park, an innovative public space and 1.5 mile greenway with native plants and mesmerizing views that was developed with public input at every step, including an ideas competition to imagine ways the park could be used.

It has become a destination for New Yorkers and visitors alike to enjoy the scenery, art, and food, and has completely transformed the neighborhood. It is now vital to the community that helped determine what it became.
But that may not last. The developer Related Companies and the Wynn Resorts, which was founded by casino magnate Steve Wynn, are determined to build either a casino or a gargantuan convention center in the Western Rail Yards that will materially change and potentially undo the thriving ecosystem that New York has built around a vibrant public space.

Skip to the good part...

The New York skyline will always change but its shape should be determined by the residents of the city itself, not developers with dreams of supertall buildings and tourist revenues.

[ssh]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Not in my backyard. It will dwarf the High Line

The High Line is easily one of the most overrated parts of the city. Calling it a "park" is laughable, and the way these people talk would make one think that Related plans on tearing it down completely with their proposal.

The hypocrisy of talking about the old rail tracks being ugly and decrepit, and then quite literally saying "not in my backyard" to a proposal that aims to replace an ugly and decrepit rail yard with a gorgeous public space is insanity.

Not in your backyard? Then move out of the most important city in the planet.

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by ssh

The High Line is easily one of the most overrated parts of the city. Calling it a "park" is laughable, and the way these people talk would make one think that Related plans on tearing it down completely with their proposal.

The hypocrisy of talking about the old rail tracks being ugly and decrepit, and then quite literally saying "not in my backyard" to a proposal that aims to replace an ugly and decrepit rail yard with a gorgeous public space is insanity.

Not in your backyard? Then move out of the most important city in the planet.

Too late Mr. Ferrari - HY has already dwarfed the High Line and it's no longer feels like a park but as chaotic main street. In fact, the main streets by the High Line may a respite to the often-crowded HighLine.

[NYguy]

The High Kine Line was never meant to feel like an actual “park”. Though it’s called a park, it’s main purpose was a repositioning of an existing structure. Tge difference and attraction of this particular park is the way it weaves around and through buildings, creating an urban experience unlike all tge other parks, which are open spaces. The people who claim the skyscrapers (which will come either way) will overwhelm the HL either have never been there, or are outright lying in their dishonesty, and need to be called out on it.

[NYguy]

It’s especially stupid when you consider the first phase.

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[ssh]

https://gothamist.com/news/coney-isl...-license-in-25

Coney Island? Citi Field? Hudson Yards? Who wins a casino license in ‘25?




By Arun Venogopal
January 1, 2025

[NYguy]

https://www.covers.com/industry/econ...ses-jan-6-2025

Economic Development Will Impact New York Casino Licenses
The New York State Gaming Commission's executive director reaffirmed the financial benefits of casino projects will influence who gets an approval.


Ziv Chen
Jan 6, 2025

Williams highlighted key areas that the Commission will consider, including the size of capital investment, revenue for New York, and the quality of jobs the project provides. The Commission will also consider the architecture, design, and “the relationships that they have with local communities, with unions, how the different projects integrate into something as simple as traffic and sewer and water, and fire and police protection.”

New York lawmakers tried to speed up the casino licensing process last year, with State Senator Joseph Addabbo and Assemblyman Gary Pretlow putting forward S9673A to speed things up. However, the bill waited on Governor Kathy Hochul’s desk until the end of the legislative session, ending any chance of streamlining the process.

While licensing has been slow, with a proposal deadline in June, lawmakers should finally make progress on New York City casinos.

[ChiND]

No proposal remotely compares to Related’s. Also, its office tower likely will fill up quickly.

[NYguy]

Meanwhile, as expected, the looneys at CB4 voted against the casino proposal...


https://nypost.com/2025/01/07/us-new...mmunity-board/

$12B casino complex in NY’s Hudson Yards rejected by community board: ‘Reeks of greed and disregard’






By Carl Campanile
Jan. 7, 2025

Community Board 4 — which represents the Hudson Yards neighborhood — voted unanimously Monday night against approving a zoning change to allow the project by Related Companies and Wynn to proceed.

Under the city’s Uniformed Land Use Procedure, the local board has a right to weigh in on the zoning change, though the vote is advisory.

.....Joshua David, co-founder of The High Line and former member of CB4, testified that the project “reeks of greed and disregard for the community.”

“A carefully planned mixed-use neighborhood is wiped out for a garish Las Vegas-style monstrosity that has no place on Manhattan’s West Side,” said David, who has lived in Chelsea for 38 years.

“If we wanted to live in Las Vegas,” he said, “we would live in Las Vegas.”

The plan features an 80-story tower overlooking the Hudson River that would house a gaming facility and hotel.

Office buildings, apartment towers and a spacious 5.6-acre park would surround the gleaming casino skyscraper.

In its letter to City Planning Director Dan Garodnick, CB4 said the project slashes about 4,000 planned residential units and the environmental impact statement showed “catastrophic traffic and air quality impacts on our neighborhoods…. This proposal simply isn’t a fit for this site.”

Friends of The High Line executive director Alan van Capelle applauded the board’s rejection of the casino complex that “would do permanent damage to the High Line experience.”

Related Companies defended the project and accused CB4 of being anti-development.

“The community board has a long track record of opposing projects that would bring opportunity to the West Side,” Related Companies said in a statement.

“While many of their ideas are not fiscally feasible to implement, we welcome feedback and elements that can make this project and neighborhood better. We are focused on moving forward with local elected officials, who have been committed to pursuing realistic plans that deliver the jobs, housing and community improvements New York needs today,” the company said.

[ChiND]

These unemployed morons always use the word “monstrosity.”

[NYCityBoy]

Casinos are coming to New York City whether we like them or not. I'd personally rather not have them but it's not up to me. I won't be gambling, but if there are entertainment and dining destinations I imagine I'll be using those at some point.

The BARREN west side of the Hudson Yards seems like as good a location as any for a casino. I also vote for Times Square for the second license. I doubt most New Yorkers will use the casino, but tourists definitely will.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by NYCityBoy

I doubt most New Yorkers will use the casino, but tourists definitely will.

Not only will New Yorkers, who travel to Las Vegas and Atlantic City to use them use them, New Yorkers also voted for them. It's why the casino in Queens is one of the top grossing casinos in the country, and it's not even a full casino. The problem, as is usually the case, is the NIMBYs are the loudest and most vocal about anything.

“A carefully planned mixed-use neighborhood is wiped out for a garish Las Vegas-style monstrosity that has no place on Manhattan’s West Side,” said David, who has lived in Chelsea for 38 years.

“If we wanted to live in Las Vegas,” he said, “we would live in Las Vegas.”

You could put all 3 casinos in Manhattan, and barely notice it. New York is not some small town, and a casino isn't going to make any neighborhood in Manhattan Las Vegas. This idiot would no doubt be among those to enter the casino for one reason or another. The state needs the revenue, and no one will be forced to enter the casinos, unlike congestion pricing where you have to pay. These casinos will bring in more money to the city and state than the congestion pricing.

[ChiND]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Not only will New Yorkers, who travel to Las Vegas and Atlantic City to use them use them, New Yorkers also voted for them. It's why the casino in Queens is one of the top grossing casinos in the country, and it's not even a full casino. The problem, as is usually the case, is the NIMBYs are the loudest and most vocal about anything.





You could put all 3 casinos in Manhattan, and barely notice it. New York is not some small town, and a casino isn't going to make any neighborhood in Manhattan Las Vegas. This idiot would no doubt be among those to enter the casino for one reason or another. The state needs the revenue, and no one will be forced to enter the casinos, unlike congestion pricing where you have to pay. These casinos will bring in more money to the city and state than the congestion pricing.

That's true. During the U.N. General Assembly each year, when one exits GCT and turns to the west on The Deuce, one would barely know that the UNGA is going on, but for occasional motorcades and helicopter activity. Only in NY!

[ChiND]

NY Guy:

If Related/Wynn get the license, when do you think that the casino and residential tower might start rising? Will any of it be built on terra firma, or must the platform be built first?

[DCReid]

Will this rejection have any bearing on the decision? The general consensus seems that it was expected, but does this pose a risk even if the casino is awarded to HY? For example, will the residents and land use committee file lawsuits to stop it? And if HY does not get the casino, will Related proceed with the original plan even after saying that the residential component was not as successful in Phase 1 and should be scaled down for phase 2?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by ChiND

NY Guy:

If Related/Wynn get the license, when do you think that the casino and residential tower might start rising? Will any of it be built on terra firma, or must the platform be built first?

Only the casino would be built on the platform.

Originally Posted by DCReid

Will this rejection have any bearing on the decision? The general consensus seems that it was expected, but does this pose a risk even if the casino is awarded to HY? For example, will the residents and land use committee file lawsuits to stop it? And if HY does not get the casino, will Related proceed with the original plan even after saying that the residential component was not as successful in Phase 1 and should be scaled down for phase 2?

It’s always advisory with the CB. Technically, they voted against the change in site plan, not the casino. That would came in the next round. But it’s always dangerous, and also why the state usually doesn’t subject its developments to city approval. All of the new casinos in this process should have been approved just as the upstate casinoscwere. But Hochul, being from upstate, still doesn’t have a solid understanding of how NYC politics work.

[ChiND]

Thanks, so the whole Wynn Hotel condo with the big casino base will all be built on the platform? It looks like the hotel tower portion might be on terra firma.

Also, do you know if any portion of the casino will be in the hotel tower?


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